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01-23-2021, 10:05 AM
#121
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01-23-2021, 11:40 AM
#122
*Flashaholic*
Re: Night Shift
Interesting. I've never seen those aluminum panels before but they look like a great idea. And that warning sign on the underground cable needs to be replaced! It needs to be much more readable if they're serious about protecting from excavation.
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01-23-2021, 12:49 PM
#123
Re: Night Shift
But it's a secret……therefore replacing the sign with a new one would make it not a secret. lol
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01-23-2021, 09:48 PM
#124
Flashaholic
Re: Night Shift
Time and weather sure weren't nice to that signpost. Funny dual tone scheme it got there.
With the dowel rods, these barriers should be pretty immovable. Now I just hope the softness of the aluminium is enough to slow down a crashing car with its deformation but not so much that it's ripped apart before dissipating at least some kinetic energy.
In any case, if the manufacturer can recycle busted ones, I wager the prices may drop even further. It's my hope at least.
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01-24-2021, 11:56 AM
#125
Re: Night Shift
I went to work Friday morning at one task then worked that night on the other. During the day I was issued a pdf of the wall specifics but never read them. I did however read the installation instructions and manufacturers reccomendations for the epoxy glue that holds in the pins where glue is required.
Point being is the wall may be made of the same steel as guardrail but with the ease of handling I presumed it was alluminum. When I return to work I'll read more. Steel has flexibility that alluminum does not. So my brain was thinking the wall should be of similar stiffness as a concrete. Steel in guardrail on the other hand has a rubber band like effect similar to the cable that halts jet aircraft on an aircraft carrier.
It's what the feds call "crash worthy", which means absorbs impact or deflects it. So I'll correct my post above if it turns out to be a galvanized steel product.
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01-24-2021, 12:28 PM
#126
Re: Night Shift
Do you remember the auto water bumpers in early 70s?
I had a girl friend with a VW bug that had those rubber monstrosities hanging off the front and rear. One day driving the Avenues in SF she put both front and rear to work in a multiple rear-enders
That Aluminum barrier looks functionally sound, more so than heavy rubber. Is there a foam or jell inner filler?
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01-24-2021, 01:37 PM
#127
Re: Night Shift
They are hollow Gary. A guardrail beam is around 5mm thick where these are more like 10mm.
We still use sand filled containers at some crash points in my state but that's when the potential to be hit comes from multiple angles like on an exit ramp. Can't say I've water bumpers here. Perhaps because it freezes in winter and would become like concrete. I do remember wooden barracades though.
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01-24-2021, 01:47 PM
#128
*Flashaholic*
Re: Night Shift
Water bumpers seem,ed like a good idea at the time, but I'm guessing they fail catastrophically when they're hit so they only work once?
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01-24-2021, 03:53 PM
#129
Re: Night Shift
Correct, the ingenious water bumpers only worked once and only safe during slow speeds. After that you tossed them into the junk pile
We were sitting second in line at a traffic light when got rear ended. The vw was pushed forward.. and boom shaka laka! Drenched from both ends it was like going thru a car wash
Yep, Put back on the good ol chrome steel bumpers (:
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01-24-2021, 11:37 PM
#130
Re: Night Shift
It's always interesting to see what other people are doing for work. It's easy to forget how specialized a lot of people's work is - I wouldn't know where to begin working on an asbestos concrete pipe or organizing a crash barrier install. Right with you on not wanting to be in the office though. Sure, there's other pains in the a**, but they're a lot more bearable.
A D cell mag is hard to beat on runtime, and I've found it has two other big advantages - it's dead simple to operate if you loan it to someone, and it's big enough they aren't likely to pocket or lose it. Also good to have a headlamp in the kit, especially if you're say, sequentially tightening bolts underneath a pipe. In a hole. At night.
Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to your next post bykfixer.
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01-25-2021, 10:27 AM
#131
Re: Night Shift
There was an event I was so glad to see Maglites CanAm. On a cold winter day a fellow brushed the bucket of his mini excavator against a copper tube tied to an asbestos waterline. A small spray of water began to spew from the connection point. Let's say about a gallon an hour so it seemed harmless at 8:30 in the morning. Trouble was the asbestos water line was a buffer line between a low pressure water system to the south and a high pressure system to the north. In other words the system to the south was starved for water volume due to lots of busnisses drawing water from that system without a lot of water stored in tanks nearby. The line to the north had pumps boosting pressure to aid the starving system. The line where the copper pipe was hit was in between. That meant the pressure in that pipe was about 95psi.
Asbestos pipe is fairly fragile. The small leak was power-washing the pipe from the inside and slowly the leak became larger as asbestos cement was slowly scoured away from the copper tube that feeds a home nearby. By noon there was about a gallon a minute coming out of the pipe now. The contractor contacted a repair guy who wasn't very knowledgeable about the situation at hand. By 4pm it was pretty obvious the guy was a hack as by then water was gushing from the asbestos pipe.
The county inspector requested the county shut off the water to this 16" water main. "No freaking way" was the answer. Being a buffer line, if the cushion of this line allowing highly boosted water pressure to lessen and suddenly be gone that would mean homes and businesses upstream would have so much water pressure that it would be a huge problem. Without the cushion potential water pressure at an area that normally ran around 100-110 psi would be pushing 200 psi.
The county had to study drawings and devise a way to build a bypass cushion. At 5:30pm the copper tube had popped out of the main and water was spaying 50' in the air just inches from 5:00 traffic. It was also spraying sideways some and undermining the roadway. One guy walked up to the geyser with the excavator that started the whole thing and placed the bucket near the top of the pipe in order to divert the gyser. No longer were passing motorists being power washed with muddy, gravelly water as they passed by in 25 degree weather after dark had set in.

The spray abated by the backhoe bucket.
So the repairman was panic'd by then but tried to act cool. The county was off somewhere opening and closing water valves to create a bypass cushion so they could turn off this one and fix it. The only good flashlight on the scene was the one I used to light the scene in the photo. It was my trusty PKDL PR-1 on medium. The rest of the 20 some people there at this point either had celular phone lights or cheap chinese tin toy numbers.
Suddenly water stopped bubbling out of the ground. At around 8pm the county had succesfully bypassed the pressure reducing cushion and turned off the water main. Yahoo!! Then the county logo clad calvery arrived with proper tools, equipment and flashlights……3D Maglite LED's. I was so happy. I spoke with the county foreman who as it turns out was the brother of a guy I knew pretty well. His family are in the pipe contractor business. He said "grandpa used Maglites, dad uses Maglites and the day they hired me we started using Maglites"……He said "these 3D ones run all freaking night if need be and make pretty good hammers sometimes."
By 11 the repairman hack was told to get lost, the county had fixed the line and water was turned back on. It took until about 2:30 am to fill the cavity under the roadway. Those 3D Maglites had made a big difference in how a chaotic situation was turned to a sucessful waterline repair.
Last edited by bykfixer; 01-25-2021 at 10:50 AM.
John 3:16
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01-25-2021, 12:14 PM
#132
Flashaholic
Re: Night Shift
Damn, this system sounds awfully fragile, byk. I hope at least someone in the county's service now has drawn up a contingency plan for any future cases of this situation, as I doubt they will install a sturdier distribution system anytime soon.
You know, being the only one with a torch on-site when bad mojo runs is empowering... but it does not compare to the relief of not being the only one with a good light source
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01-25-2021, 02:57 PM
#133
Re: Night Shift
Jean Luc, the system that county has in place at the time was amazingly efficient. In about 4 hours they discovered using their massive details of as-built drawings how to distribute high pressure water from a giant water main and system to other systems in neaby areas and turn on/off dozens of water valves then have the leaking line ceased without affecting more than a few dozen residents out of tens of thousands.
To me it was actually pretty impressive how quickly they were able to enact an alternative to their complicated water system. Apparently their maintanance division practices that type of scenario on a regular basis. That counties water system is maintained like a private enterprise. Staff and equipment are paid by the money brought in via water bills or fees paid to connect to their system. So the system in place is set up like a business. Like most government agencies this one does not make a profit. Unlike most government agencies this one does not lose money either.
So on that Monday about this time of year in 017 I went to work on Monday morning like any other Monday and went home on Tuesday morning like……well, that Monday afterall turned out to not be like any other Monday. After that one a few people working their had better flashlights a few days later.
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01-25-2021, 08:38 PM
#134
Re: Night Shift

Originally Posted by
bykfixer
So on that Monday about this time of year in 017 I went to work on Monday morning like any other Monday and went home on Tuesday morning like……well, that Monday afterall turned out to not be like any other Monday. After that one a few people working their had better flashlights a few days later.
Well at least they're learning from their mistakes. It's very disconcerting to be the only one on the job with a light...
... and then several weeks later be the only one on the job with a light, AGAIN.
Sounds like the response to that leak was pretty good. I think that a company operating like a private enterprise, but with the government as the majority/only shareholder is often a sweet spot. Tends to reduce the red tape a little without running into some of the cutrate nonsense you get when profit overlaps with public good. Thought that conversation may be dragging things off topic.
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01-25-2021, 10:02 PM
#135
Flashaholic
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01-26-2021, 06:24 AM
#136
Re: Night Shift
The asbestos cement pipe was a short lived idea in America Jean-Luc. It was called "transite" pipe. I do not know if that was a brand name that just stuck like "kool aid" or "q-tip". Too often iur capitalistic ways are short sighted so by the time the powers that be have decided "oops" too often the cost is great to solve the problem.
We also had another brilliant idea called "orangeburg" pipe for waste water. It was made of the asphalt paper used on roofs and for the insulation on the outside of homes for a while. Most of that stuff has been replaced due to catastrophic failure (surprise)…… but lots of transite pipe is still in the ground in my area. We used concrete pipe for a while but that stuff doesn't seal well. Now there are a few plastics that work fairly well but that county uses what is called ductile iron these days.
And ordinarily if it takes 4 hours to turn off a simple valve or two that does not speak well of an organization.
Last edited by bykfixer; 01-26-2021 at 06:27 AM.
John 3:16
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01-26-2021, 06:55 AM
#137
Moderator

Re: Night Shift
Lol Byk, orangeburg pipe. I've been party to replacing a bunch of that in residential service over the years. Unravels from the inside and collapses. Waste pipe, drainage around foundations, runoff for gutters, etc. It was popular for home construction here in the northeast through the 70's I guess. I had a good laugh at your mention of it. Funny how lights like Mag and Streamlight are so well represented amongst construction crews, tow truck drivers, etc. Almost like the work and can take a pretty good beating.
The TK20. Yes, it still rocks- WoodsWalker

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01-26-2021, 07:09 AM
#138
Re: Night Shift
The waterline break saga began when I was asked to help a coworker catch up on his paperwork. The idea was that I'd inspect stuff while he did his paperwork so the bosses would know where things stood. Why leave the office and visit a project when you can read an electronic diary from the comfort of your chair?
One day the client was on site when my coworker was off at a doctor appointment. Being new to the project and not having any plans I was flying blind while talking to the client. I mentioned weather, golf, you name it, trying to get to know the guy a little. He complained to my bosses "all he wanted to do was talk about sports, he must not give a darn about the project". After helping the other guy a couple of weeks he came down with a bad case of the flu and was out 3 weeks. He came back on a Friday then that Sunday fell off a ladder and broke his leg. Poor guy. By then the client complained "all he wants to talk about is the project, what's with that guy? Does he care about anything but work?" In other words there was no pleasing the guy.
When the waterline catastrophe occured all that water was causing massive erosion of soils into a stream. I directed the contractor to place measures that minimized the damage. We were discussing minimizing potential safety issues by shutting down the road with the department of transportation, and local police. There was all kinds of things taking place while the water ran amuck as well. A crew was building a storm drain, another installing a concrete ditch and another building part of the road.
I arrived home around 3am and by 10 my phone was ringing as folks wanted to know what happened. The situation had made the morning news so politicians wanted answers. So at noon I started writing a detailed report of the day before with hour by hour comentary. Details of notifying various agencies including environmental ones, local first responders, the highway department while describing steps that took place throughout the day and the project work actually accomplished during the crisis and stuff like that. The client read my report and remarked "good Lord, it's a good thing you had that guy there yesterday" lol.
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