properstranger
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Hi everybody,
I've already learned a lot from this forum for what appears to be a newfound obsession with flashlights. When I found this help-me-pick-my-flashlight sub forum, I figured it was time to join! I have my key chain lights covered – a Photon Micro-Light II and an Olight i1R EOS. And I'm happy enough with my 1AAA, Olight i3E EOS. Actually ended up with two. My poor man's torch toy is the Olight S1R Baton II. I thought that I had my 1AA light covered also, but I'm in the process of returning an Eagtac D25A MKII 219C. I couldn't get group 1 to work so only high and strobe modes worked.
I could have them send a replacement, but I would have to wait until they get it back in stock and I wasn't 100% satisfied with the high CRI 219C LED. As noted below in the list of questions below also, I definitely preferred its color accuracy over my Olights and that can be pretty important on trails at night – is that a stick or a copperhead, etc. But the 4000 CCT seemed just a little too warm, and not as bright as I was expecting. Maybe I just got too used to the Olights. I don't know what the CCT or CRI specs are for the Olights, but I think a CCT between them and the 219C Eagtac would be the sweet spot.
One of the things I liked a lot about the Eagtac was the overall size and weight. It seems to be one of the smaller ones and I wouldn't want one much bigger or heavier. And along with optics and lumens/run time how it carries in the pocket is really important since my EDC will either be the 1AA or the 1AAA on daytime only trips. If your wondering why not just use the S1R Baton, well I probably should and save money but even though it is relatively tiny, it feels a little heavy in the pocket and I'm kind of fixated on having a light that uses batteries I can get anywhere.
I certainly appreciate any and all advice y'all can provide. Based on the info above and below, do you think there is another light out there I'd be happier with, or should I just get another D25A?
1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?
____This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).
2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest!
____$50-$60
3) Format:
____I want a flashlight (hand held/self-contained).
4) Size:
____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
____SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
(about 4.5" max, small enough for comfortable front pocket EDC)
5) Emitter/Light source:
____LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
6) Manufacturer:
____I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
(probably can't afford a limited run/custom. Customer service is important.)
7) What power source do you want to use?
____I want a 1AA flashlight that I can use disposable lithium and alkaline batteries. The ability to use rechargeable NiMH or NiCD would be nice and 14500 capability would be really nice. I don't have a dedicated battery charger yet, but with this growing flashlight obsession it's only a matter of time.
7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option)
__X_I don't care (to start with I'll just be using lithium disposable batteries.)
8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).
____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
____I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
(All of the above but the highest priority is for hiking in the woods when my older 110 lumen model Black Diamond ReVolt headlamp runs out of juice, or I don't have it with me. And I would feel safer having a backup that could shine farther out when needed.)
__X_SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.
(turbo power is fun but not a top priority)
9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.
__X_All Flood: I am doing "arm's length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
__X_Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
_XX_Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
__X_Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.
(Can't I just have all of the above, LOL!) As noted above the top priority is for walking/hiking through fairly dense woods and some wide-open fields.)
9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
__X_Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
__X_Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
__X_5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
__X_30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
__X_50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)
10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).
____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).
(This is one area I'm struggling with. I would like a few hours at ~150 lumens but as many hours as possible at 50-60?? lumens if I get lost or injured hiking. Of course, if I do get lost, I'll blame it on the dog.
11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):
____I don't know. (So far, I've used a body mounted switch, a twisty switch and a tail mounted switch that also had a twisty adjustment for modes. I have a slight preference for the body mounted switch but could live with any configuration.)
13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.
__X_I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.) (I think 4 modes like high, medium, low and moonlight would be best. Being able to choose those modes like it seems you can on the Zebralights would be really nice. The strobe, SOS and beacon modes are not important to me)
____I want a programmable light. (maybe?)
____I want a selector ring. (maybe, if I knew what that was)
14)Material/Finish/Coating
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
15) Water resistance
____IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours) (preferred)
16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.
(Tail standing strongly preferred. Magnetic tail would be a bonus. I think I want a high CRI or neutral white LED. I tried the Eagtac D25A MKII 219C for a couple of walks and thought the color accuracy outside (and inside) was better than my Olights, but the tint was a little on what I would call the brown side. I think I would be happier with a tint between the two. I like the brightness of the Olights, but their light seems a little "washed out" after using the hi CRI light.
I've already learned a lot from this forum for what appears to be a newfound obsession with flashlights. When I found this help-me-pick-my-flashlight sub forum, I figured it was time to join! I have my key chain lights covered – a Photon Micro-Light II and an Olight i1R EOS. And I'm happy enough with my 1AAA, Olight i3E EOS. Actually ended up with two. My poor man's torch toy is the Olight S1R Baton II. I thought that I had my 1AA light covered also, but I'm in the process of returning an Eagtac D25A MKII 219C. I couldn't get group 1 to work so only high and strobe modes worked.
I could have them send a replacement, but I would have to wait until they get it back in stock and I wasn't 100% satisfied with the high CRI 219C LED. As noted below in the list of questions below also, I definitely preferred its color accuracy over my Olights and that can be pretty important on trails at night – is that a stick or a copperhead, etc. But the 4000 CCT seemed just a little too warm, and not as bright as I was expecting. Maybe I just got too used to the Olights. I don't know what the CCT or CRI specs are for the Olights, but I think a CCT between them and the 219C Eagtac would be the sweet spot.
One of the things I liked a lot about the Eagtac was the overall size and weight. It seems to be one of the smaller ones and I wouldn't want one much bigger or heavier. And along with optics and lumens/run time how it carries in the pocket is really important since my EDC will either be the 1AA or the 1AAA on daytime only trips. If your wondering why not just use the S1R Baton, well I probably should and save money but even though it is relatively tiny, it feels a little heavy in the pocket and I'm kind of fixated on having a light that uses batteries I can get anywhere.
I certainly appreciate any and all advice y'all can provide. Based on the info above and below, do you think there is another light out there I'd be happier with, or should I just get another D25A?
1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?
____This will be mail-order or Online (location doesn't matter).
2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest!
____$50-$60
3) Format:
____I want a flashlight (hand held/self-contained).
4) Size:
____TINY - Every day carry (2-4 inches).
____SMALL - Every day carry (4-7 inches).
(about 4.5" max, small enough for comfortable front pocket EDC)
5) Emitter/Light source:
____LED (known for efficiency, longevity, and compactness)
6) Manufacturer:
____I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box.
____I would like a light from a specialty manufacturer (Possibly limited run/Custom).
(probably can't afford a limited run/custom. Customer service is important.)
7) What power source do you want to use?
____I want a 1AA flashlight that I can use disposable lithium and alkaline batteries. The ability to use rechargeable NiMH or NiCD would be nice and 14500 capability would be really nice. I don't have a dedicated battery charger yet, but with this growing flashlight obsession it's only a matter of time.
7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option)
__X_I don't care (to start with I'll just be using lithium disposable batteries.)
8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).
____I want to navigate a dark room or read a map (1-10 lumens).
____I want an indoor "blackout" light (15-50 lumens)
____I want to confidently walk around an unlit/unpaved rural area (60-150 lumens).
____I want to illuminate my entire backyard or a campsite (150-300 lumens).
(All of the above but the highest priority is for hiking in the woods when my older 110 lumen model Black Diamond ReVolt headlamp runs out of juice, or I don't have it with me. And I would feel safer having a backup that could shine farther out when needed.)
__X_SPECIAL NOTE: Burst/Turbo mode Category - There are several lights that will run at a super bright maximum for a very limited period (usually 5-10 minutes) and then will "step-down" to a lower level for thermal control. Check here if this is acceptable.
(turbo power is fun but not a top priority)
9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.
__X_All Flood: I am doing "arm's length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
__X_Wide Flood: I want a defined flood area for semi-close tasks like after-dark campsite tasks or working on a car.
_XX_Narrow Flood: I want a sharply defined flood area that will project some distance for tasks like trail walking.
__X_Wide Throw: I want a beam with a noticeable hot-center for distance throw and a significant amount of "side-spill". Good for rough trail hiking, search and rescue, and general distance work.
____Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
____Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.
(Can't I just have all of the above, LOL!) As noted above the top priority is for walking/hiking through fairly dense woods and some wide-open fields.)
9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
__X_Less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work)
__X_Less than 5 yards/meters (looking for something inside a dark shed/garage/basement)
__X_5-20 yards/meters (check out a noise in the backyard)
__X_30-50 yards/meters (I have a big backyard)
__X_50-150 yards/meters (I live in a very rural area/farm with wide open spaces)
____150+ yards (I am searching from a helicopter)
10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).
____Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
____30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
____90-120 minutes (Runtime is moderately important, but still not critical)
____3 hours + (I critically need this light to run on max for extended periods in between battery changes/charges).
(This is one area I'm struggling with. I would like a few hours at ~150 lumens but as many hours as possible at 50-60?? lumens if I get lost or injured hiking. Of course, if I do get lost, I'll blame it on the dog.
11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase "you get what you pay for" is very accurate for flashlights.
____Very Important (Camping, Backpacking, Car Glove-box).
12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):
____I don't know. (So far, I've used a body mounted switch, a twisty switch and a tail mounted switch that also had a twisty adjustment for modes. I have a slight preference for the body mounted switch but could live with any configuration.)
13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.
__X_I want multiple light levels. (Some lights have 5-16 light levels.) (I think 4 modes like high, medium, low and moonlight would be best. Being able to choose those modes like it seems you can on the Zebralights would be really nice. The strobe, SOS and beacon modes are not important to me)
____I want a programmable light. (maybe?)
____I want a selector ring. (maybe, if I knew what that was)
14)Material/Finish/Coating
____Anodized Aluminum – either type II or III (Hard Anodized) (Aluminum, specifically HA, is the most common material/finish for today's higher end flashlights).
____Titanium (durable and nearly as lightweight as aluminum, but can be moderately to significantly more expensive).
15) Water resistance
____IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
____IPX8 (Submersible to greater than 1 meter for 4 hours) (preferred)
16) Storage conditions
____In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.
(Tail standing strongly preferred. Magnetic tail would be a bonus. I think I want a high CRI or neutral white LED. I tried the Eagtac D25A MKII 219C for a couple of walks and thought the color accuracy outside (and inside) was better than my Olights, but the tint was a little on what I would call the brown side. I think I would be happier with a tint between the two. I like the brightness of the Olights, but their light seems a little "washed out" after using the hi CRI light.