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    Quote Originally Posted by sledhead View Post
    Can't imagine what the neighbors were thinking!
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    Can you imagine the 911 call on this? Ya some strange guys out here throwing something around and then picking it up smiling and then does it again  think we have a 5150!
    Thankfully, the neighbors usually know what we're doing before we do - and we made sure to get back inside before we heard sirens!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingnog View Post
    So, how in the world do I get my hands on one of these? Just found out about them and all stock on the website is gone...

    Also is there a convenient size comparison anywhere? Which one would be the closest to a Sunwayman V11r / JetBeam RRT01 size range?

    Finally, I searched the whole thread and not one mention of a POCKET CLIP... is this blasphemy to want one?
    Welcome to the party! Stock on the website goes quickly, and other folks here may have one of those lights for a comparison photo. Measurements are listed on the website if that helps, along with a comparison shot of the lights with a Sharpie marker (I figured it was more recognizable than my old Parker 41).

    No pocket clip, as we are really limited by the capabilities of the machines we use to make the lights. Currently, we use a Tormach mill and lathe in a shop two hours from home every other week We've recently started using two other Haas mills and a Haas lathe (but that's still quite a challenge for two people to keep going, so it doesn't happen as often as we'd like). We have no live tooling, no dual spindle, sans parts-catcher, no bar feeder, and no fourth axis, so we try to design things in a way where we get the most "bang for the buck". That boils down to the least amount of setups as possible, or setups that aren't complicated. This is why there's no pocket clip, no lanyard hole, and no actual knurling (not ruling it out for the future, however, we are currently just doing the best that we can with what we've got).

    One more thing- the graduated milling marks on the engine and/or battery tube is another way for folks to see how to turn on our flashlights. Y'all would be surprised how many people completely unscrew the thing, then look up at us like we are some sort of modern-day magicians when we put it back together and light comes out one end. Just in case y'all needed more motivation to vote for the graduated milling marks

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    If we order a tiny tank from now on will it be your new design? One piece body/head?
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    “ No pocket clip, as we are really limited by the capabilities of the machines we use to make the lights. Currently, we use a Tormach mill and lathe in a shop two hours from home every other week We've recently started using two other Haas mills and a Haas lathe (but that's still quite a challenge for two people to keep going, so it doesn't happen as often as we'd like). We have no live tooling, no dual spindle, sans parts-catcher, no bar feeder, and no fourth axis, so we try to design things in a way where we get the most "bang for the buck". That boils down to the least amount of setups as possible, or setups that aren't complicated. This is why there's no pocket clip, no lanyard hole, and no actual knurling (not ruling it out for the future, however, we are currently just doing the best that we can with what we've got). ”


    Your doing just fine! But when you get everything all sorted out how about a run in SS? Nasty stuff to work with but without a doubt would make this thing even more robust “ not that it’s needed but we’re all kinda crazy here sooo”
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    Quote Originally Posted by speckacuda View Post
    Crawled out of the shop around 11:30PM tonight, as this was prototype week! Nothing I say could describe the process, but if you slam your hand in a car door every day for a week it's a close second...

    Also, I'm pretty sure I shaved several years off my life this week for various reasons, as well as gained more than a few gray hairs. Balance is good, right?

    All jokes aside, I want opinions!! Do y'all like the ascending milling marks on the engines, or do y'all like them all on the same level (like Fraz's photos above on the new prototype, or the current engines)?

    Here's a photo for you DiscoverEDC - this is the WALL-E jig (pre-engrave) in action. Here are two engines, straight off the band saw, and two freshly machined. They'll be in y'alls hands after being bead blasted, washed, anodized, and shipped.

    WALL-E! Very cool, thanks for the picture.

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    Graduated marks are definitely a Fraz Labs hallmark, but the even lines do make it look really smart. Honestly, I don't think you guys could go wrong with either style. Keep up the great work and awesome torture test guys, can't wait to own a tiny tank one of these days.

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    So my Lumenite 21700 arrived. I'd like to try out diff LEDs. Where's a good place to find some at? I went to mtnelectronics
    But wasn't sure what I needed. I'd like to get a XHP50.2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djans1397 View Post
    So my Lumenite 21700 arrived. I'd like to try out diff LEDs. Where's a good place to find some at? I went to mtnelectronics
    But wasn't sure what I needed. I'd like to get a XHP50.2.
    You can try any 3v LED on a 16mm MCPCB. I’m partial to the 2700K SST20 on a 16mm MCPCB from Intl Outdoor but shipping takes awhile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carrot View Post
    You can try any 3v LED on a 16mm MCPCB. I’m partial to the 2700K SST20 on a 16mm MCPCB from Intl Outdoor but shipping takes awhile.
    So I wouldn't need a FET driver? I mean it can run just as is in this light?

    I found these;

    http://kaidomain.com/cree-xhp-series-leds

    https://www.mtnelectronics.com/index...roduct_id=1012

    one says something about using a FET driver. Would any of these work?
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    All you need a 3V LED mounted on a 16mm MCPCB...thats it.


    Quote Originally Posted by djans1397 View Post
    So I wouldn't need a FET driver? I mean it can run just as is in this light?

    I found these;

    http://kaidomain.com/cree-xhp-series-leds

    https://www.mtnelectronics.com/index...roduct_id=1012

    one says something about using a FET driver. Would any of these work?

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    Got mine a few days ago. At first when I was told that the "box' was run out, I almost asked to send without the box.
    But once I saw the box, I'd have kicked myself if I asked not to send the box. I did NOT see the clear tape at first and thought it's the puzzle box of some sorts.
    The laser cut burnt marks are awesome. But then I had to take a few photos to let the photos talk.....







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    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    If we order a tiny tank from now on will it be your new design? One piece body/head?
    These are Tiny Nuggets but may be able to arrange that, depending on how the testing goes next week.

    Quote Originally Posted by 404_Unobtainium View Post
    Graduated marks are definitely a Fraz Labs hallmark, but the even lines do make it look really smart. Honestly, I don't think you guys could go wrong with either style. Keep up the great work and awesome torture test guys, can't wait to own a tiny tank one of these days.
    Thank you for the kind words, as well as the vote!

    Quote Originally Posted by geisto View Post
    All you need a 3V LED mounted on a 16mm MCPCB...thats it.
    Yep, Geisto is correct - just need an LED on a 16mm MCPCB!

    Quote Originally Posted by tanasit View Post
    Got mine a few days ago. At first when I was told that the "box' was run out, I almost asked to send without the box.
    But once I saw the box, I'd have kicked myself if I asked not to send the box. I did NOT see the clear tape at first and thought it's the puzzle box of some sorts.
    The laser cut burnt marks are awesome. But then I had to take a few photos to let the photos talk.....
    Sorry for the clear tape, we usually use stickers but they were stuck in the Memphis USPS for a week so I had to improvise. Glad you like it otherwise, and thanks so much for sharing photos - that knife is pretty sweet, those scales look awesome!

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    Love this new design!! Would the engine/led come out of my 18650 tiny nugget in the same manner? I have the two piece head and two piece body. I would like to try and put some different LED's in it.

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    Posted my TN21700 FS in a couple places............ for those who cant wait..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mgizler View Post
    Love this new design!! Would the engine/led come out of my 18650 tiny nugget in the same manner? I have the two piece head and two piece body. I would like to try and put some different LED's in it.
    Thank you! The engine on yours will not come out like this newest one, but you can access the internals through the bezel. From there the internals work much in the same way.

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    Been radio silent for a bit....but we've been making a lot of good progress during that time. I've got a few pics to share. We completed some more custom parts to the light tonight that we've been trying to design a long time. I believe they will help us slim down the design as well as make it more durable. It's also another step in making the LED much easier to change out.

    The new "tabs." Designed to help slim down the radius of the light as well as secure the LED even more firmly into place. They take the place of the washers that were used before:


    A Pic of the new 'Slimiline' Tiny Nugget. A kind of throwback to our lights way back in the day. Very minimal on the outside. Although this unit will have the flutes on the battery tube (this is an unanodized and beadblasted only prototype that is fresh of the mill today):


    Pic of the new Slimline next to the original Tiny Nugget:


    A pic of the new engine that allows the elimination of the bezel:


    Engine with optic ring removed to allow easy LED change. Also shows the new contact 'tabs':


    Pic of the new light and the throwback it is based on:


    Pic showing how much the diameter has been reduced since the original (both these lights use the same optic):


    continued next post....

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    Pic of the new engine next to the original engine. The original engine used a bit of double-sided tape, wire, etc. Also the QTC was very difficult to replace and the LED impossible for an average non-flashaholic:


    This light is still in the process of testing, but is very close (I've been throwing another one all around the shop all day today). The slimline has also allowed us to reduce the overall diameter of the Nugget series while increasing wall thickness. The LED-change time will be reduced as well. The new Tank is gonna be pretty nasty .

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    That is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship.

    I will definitely be ordering one when available.

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    Here's a better photo of the engine - apologies for the milling marks (don't look at that line, BigBurly912!), we have used the same endmills for the past three years and they're starting to let us know they're ready for retirement... Also, here's a better photo of the bezel end, we have used a Tormach 1100M for all the lights up to this point and we are just now using a Haas MiniMill for production runs (way faster, yet more nerve-wracking). I'm not quite as comfy with it, so here's a bezel that I ran on my old slow girl that looks better, at least from this angle...





    One more thing - y'all are going to love this light, as it's MUCH easier to change out LEDs with the new system. We've put a lot of talent points into making increasingly small and complicated, yet very simple parts, and it's starting to pay off in the ease of assembly department.

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    Stunningly outstanding. Slimline yay.

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    Love them tabs instead of washers. Any chance we can buy them to retrofit?
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    Phenomenal work guys! Really like that slick design.

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    Cool. What are the diameter of new vs old?

    Edit : can we try one without making the walls thicker? IE as slim as possible? Sure you can't hit it with a golf club, but maybe you can pocket it?
    Last edited by gunga; 05-07-2021 at 01:48 AM.

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    Hey, good to see you around Gunga!
    Quote Originally Posted by gunga View Post
    Cool. What are the diameter of new vs old?

    Edit : can we try one without making the walls thicker? IE as slim as possible? Sure you can't hit it with a golf club, but maybe you can pocket it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    Stunningly outstanding. Slimline yay.
    Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    Love them tabs instead of washers. Any chance we can buy them to retrofit?
    It would require a new assembly under the heatsink/engine, but I'll see if we can make it possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by 404_Unobtainium View Post
    Phenomenal work guys! Really like that slick design.
    Thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by gunga View Post
    Cool. What are the diameter of new vs old?

    Edit : can we try one without making the walls thicker? IE as slim as possible? Sure you can't hit it with a golf club, but maybe you can pocket it?
    Old Tiny Nugget is 1.455" max, new is 1.4" while adding more integrity. I think it is possible to take off another .06", but it is surprising what difference the .05" already makes.

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    I put this little ditty together for y'all showing just how much the flashlights have shrunk since the beginning. It's very difficult to make things slimmer, especially when we are trying to be the toughest light out there.


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    Yes. Tough. But what about a slim line model. Slim as possible. I'll bet you'll sell a ton if you can make it even smaller. I don't need to run over my lights. I would like to see qtc in the slimmest light possible.

    Also, hi Rush Fan! I'm still alive and loving lights like the Fraz labs!

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    Agree with Gunga, I like seeing the slimmer lights

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunga View Post
    I don't need to run over my lights.
    Yes, you do. It's the final test before it enters EDC rotation.

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    Been away for some time since i got first 18350 Nugget. Now seeing loosing weight...
    Hell yeah, need one again but 18500.
    And i agree with Gunga, slimmer is better for pocket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by id30209 View Post
    Been away for some time since i got first 18350 Nugget. Now seeing loosing weight...
    Hell yeah, need one again but 18500.
    And i agree with Gunga, slimmer is better for pocket.


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    The 18500 Slimline is exactly what I’m wanting when available.

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