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  • 21700, it's time for even longer regulated runtime

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    Hi,

    What do you think about a Malkoff with 21700 body? With the recent review of the Keeppower 21700, I think we can all benefit from an M6x or M9x running 21700(s). Or do you think 18650 is still the way to go, for now?

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    Default Re: 21700 Malkoff possibility

    You've listed 28650 instead of 18650 in your poll.

    21700's seems the way to go!!

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    Argh! I don't know how to edit the poll. Thanks for pointing that out still! And for your thought as well 😉!

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    Poll corrected; thread moved to "Malkoff" forum
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    Default Re: 21700 Malkoff possibility

    18650 is plenty, thanks. Cell development is still going strong, I don't need bigger single cell lights, and don't need to invest in another battery type/ecosystem. My two cents, your mileage may and probably will vary...
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    @archimedes: thank you!
    @scout24: thanks for your thought! It is true we'll have to invest in a different battery, and possibly charger, type. I do hope Malkoff will allow a 21700 option in the near future.

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    Default Re: 21700 Malkoff possibility

    Everything Scout said goes for me too. I couldn't have put it better.
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    Yup, he puts it well.

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    Neither for me. I donít consider 18650 compact personally and canít imagine carrying a bigger light. I donít even want to lug around my only 18650 light.

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    Default Re: 21700 Malkoff possibility

    me too. 18650 is enough for me even in my MD2.
    that'll do.

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    Everything Scout said goes for me too. I couldn't have put it better.
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    I see. Thanks you both for the input!


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    Default Re: 21700 Malkoff possibility

    If Gene made 21700 compatible hosts, I'd be unlikely to buy any. The same goes for 26650, despite my initial enthusiasm when those plans were announced. I've invested in the 18650 platform and the 21700 does not represent enough increased capacity to justify the expense, not to mention the bulk.
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    Default Re: 21700 Malkoff possibility

    Ok I get that most donít want a bigger EDC light but thatís not what 21700ís are for. There for high output battery sucking Dropins. I for one would find it very comforting to be able to run my M91 for 3 hours if need be. Or a M61LL for days and days.I understand that a bigger battery choice is not for everyone but there is need for it. For some.
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    I understand both your points, although I'm leaning rather hard on the 21700 Malkoff version. My current desire is to have a 21700 M61HOT (MD2.5?). And I definitely see a bright future to the 2x21700 (MD5?)

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    The bigger lights would benefit from the 21700 cells. I would LOVE a 21700 Hound Dog.

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    That is for sure!

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    Yep! The big boys could definitely use a bigger cell.
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    I'm really surprised that some folks find an extra 1/8" larger in diameter and 1/5" longer too much for a capacity improvement from 3600mAh to 5000mAh, which is about an extra 39% in runtime!

    I'd be happy to buy 1 and 2 cell 21700 bodies.

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    This is my thinking as well. Iím not sure Iíd want my MD2 bigger but my bigger bodies? I think that work just fine. I donít EDC my MD4 an as you say runtime would go WAY up.
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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    Can't agree more with you two.

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    Default Re: 21700 Malkoff possibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave D View Post
    I'm really surprised that some folks find an extra 1/8" larger in diameter and 1/5" longer too much for a capacity improvement from 3600mAh to 5000mAh, which is about an extra 39% in runtime!

    I'd be happy to buy 1 and 2 cell 21700 bodies.
    I rarely deplete an 18650 in one go. If I think I may need more, I have 18650 sized storage capsules, not to mention other 18650 sized lights. Given my use case, I don't think that the quest for run time should result in larger and larger batteries. I'd prefer to see more efficient emitters and improved battery chemistry.
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    I think the 21700 body would add some more grip to the light as well, given its larger size.

    There's merit in your opinion. I just thought a more efficient LED emitter and/or driver won't arrive anytime soon and/or at a commercially approachable price.

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    Default Re: 21700 Malkoff possibility

    DaveD- It's not size I don't find palatable. (I routinely carry and use a Surefire M6 during the fall/winter) It's the investing in a whole new ecosystem of cells and batteries. Maybe an adapter or something like the two piece E series bodies that take 18650 cells? (Pioneered by Tranquillitybase if I recall, the TBSB bodies.) So the existing heads can thread onto an adapter, and the adapter thread into the new body? Best of both worlds, existing heads work with new bodies, etc. What do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    This is my thinking as well. Iím not sure Iíd want my MD2 bigger but my bigger bodies? I think that work just fine. I donít EDC my MD4 an as you say runtime would go WAY up.
    It sounds like it would be the approximate size of a "C" sized M@g light. 2 x 21700 M91 anyone?
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    Pretty much an upgraded MD4 for the M91. Yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scout24 View Post
    DaveD- It's not size I don't find palatable. (I routinely carry and use a Surefire M6 during the fall/winter) It's the investing in a whole new ecosystem of cells and batteries. Maybe an adapter or something like the two piece E series bodies that take 18650 cells? (Pioneered by Tranquillitybase if I recall, the TBSB bodies.) So the existing heads can thread onto an adapter, and the adapter thread into the new body? Best of both worlds, existing heads work with new bodies, etc. What do you think?
    Sounds fine to me!

    Aren't cells and batteries the same things though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greatscoot View Post
    It sounds like it would be the approximate size of a "C" sized M@g light. 2 x 21700 M91 anyone?
    OMG yes! I absolutely love the form factor of my 2-C mags. And your talking about 10,000 mah capacity as opposed to 7,000. Thatís quite a bit from something just a little bigger then what we got now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave D View Post
    Sounds fine to me!

    Aren't cells and batteries the same things though?
    Cells and bodies...
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    Lego anybody?

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    a hound dog super would be great with 21700 cells. i vote yes.

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