Malkoff E2 Hyper thoughts and beamshots

stuart

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Just a quick summation of my first month with the E2 hyper throw. I've been carrying either the SF EDC 1lt or a Malkoff Bodyguard V1 for about a year now and wanted to try out a "pocket penetrator". I think the E2 hyper on a single 16340 (efest 16340 v2) lives up to the task. It's small, discrete, and focused on the singular purpose of instantly placing a large amount of penetrating blinding light on something. Its annoyingly bright as a task light, almost to the point of being useless. The output (500lm) seems significantly less than the Bodyguards 700 lumens due to the beam pattern until you start testing it on distant objects, car interiors at 20 yards, etc., then you realize just how much light it puts on target.

I did a few amateur test. The above 3 lights into the front of the car from about 25 yards. All, of course, illuminated the cars interior, but the Hyper gave the significant advantage of being able to make out more details of the occupants and potentially see stuff that the bodyguard and the SF would miss due to their lack of throw. Significant difference on the receiving end as well. Bottom line: its a single purpose light: penetrate and overwhelm the target. Great pistol companion light. The bodyguard and SF EDC are more defensive. Find the threat, illuminate it, keep it visible. The hyper leans more offensive. You know what needs illuminating. Penetrate the car interior, overwhelm it, see the fine details as you advance.

On a lighter note, the hyper is a lot of fun. At some point an overwhelming floodlight is no different than turning the lights on. That's no fun! Impressing your kids on a humid night by sending the "bat signal" beam into the air, now that's fun. Bottom line: its a keeper. Great "just in case" light for the mall, urban walks, or just having fun outdoors. Regarding outdoor use with the hyper, its like the old Reagan commercial with the Soviets and the bear in the woods. If there IS a bear and you know it, then you want the hyper. If you don't know if there is a bear then you probably want the bodyguard. Because you may not be aware of the bear with the hyper. (you'll have to youtube that commercial)

Beamshots. M61N, Malkoff Bodyguard. Malkoff E2 Hyper.

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Far trees about 100 yards.
 

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beamshots continued. can only post 5 per post.

Order is always M61N, Bodyguard V1, E2 Hyper throw. Looking up into tree.
 

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Continued.. pitch black dark condition. 2nd pic blurry, sorry. 70 yards to trees in background behind the 2 trees.
 

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Governors Mansion Colonial Williamsburg. Unlit except for dim ambient lighting. Should have done an unlit pic but didn't think about it at the time.

Note how bodyguard lights up the sides of building and the E2 hyper fills the balcony.
order still M61N, bodyguard v1, E2 hyper

The last pic is just for fun with the hyper. (Bruton Parish church, Colonial Williamsburg) Built 1711 to 1715
 

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Oh! She can throw!!! You don't happen to have a M61T?


How far is that building from you??
 

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No M61T, always wanted one in a Neutral but was told that neutrals and optics don't go well together. I would guess about 50 to 60 yards to the building.
 

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That head is a lot of throw in a small package. The only thing that comes close is the HD 18650, and only the HD Super exceeds it (by a large margin).

Thanks for sharing, great pics to illustrate!
 

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Thanks, those are great beamshots- they really highlight the differences beautifully. It looks like that head is going on my wishlist, it should make for a fun light.
 

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I want to try this head but I'm thinking i won't like the beam profile

500 lumens @ 35,000 lux is a very tightly focused beam. Great for long gun WML use (for which the head is intended), but perhaps not-so-much with a handheld due to weak spill. As stuart alludes to in his OP, great for really lighting up a target, but not so great for finding it.

Even for hand held use with a pistol it would require more critical alignment with the target, something that is often difficult to establish quickly. In this regard, I feel the Bodyguard remains the better choice for this use, with the M61HOT or M91T even better.
 

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I want to try this head but I'm thinking i won't like the beam profile
This 8s the 5500k 600lm head, correct?

Correct, 500 lumen at 5500k. I can't really tell the difference between 5500k and the 6200k bodyguard in terms of tint. They all seem fairly "blue" to me. I agree with NH Lumens, the bodyguard is definitely a more useful beam if I could chose only one. The hyper throw is kind of annoying for routine things like getting something out of a shed or looking for something in the car. Always wanted to try the Super Throw. Not on the website, I think you have to buy it from a 3rd party dealer. Based on beamshots in the old Malkoff thread it seems to be more throwy than the bodyguard but more floody than the Hyper throw.
 

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Thanks guys, guess I'll pass on these. I can see blue in the 6200k but figured 5500k would be ok. Beam profile wouldn't be to my liking though from what has been said.
 

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Thanks guys, guess I'll pass on these. I can see blue in the 6200k but figured 5500k would be ok. Beam profile wouldn't be to my liking though from what has been said.


Yes, pretty much what I though. I could deal with the tight hot spot, but the 6200K is ice blue, and if the 5500K is not a noticeable difference I am not sure if I will get one of them, time will tell.
 

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Yes, pretty much what I though. I could deal with the tight hot spot, but the 6200K is ice blue, and if the 5500K is not a noticeable difference I am not sure if I will get one of them, time will tell.

It's not a general purpose beam profile. The E2HT head is intended for use as a replacement head on SF M600 weapon lights, for which it serves admirably. There is a growing recognition and understanding of "candela" in that user group and how that applies to WML applications;




The E2HT head has a beam profile very similar to the Modlite OKW, though only 500 lumens/35,000 candela vs. the OKW at 680 lumens/69,000 candela.

For me the E2HT is perfect for use as an EDC self-defense light. Mated to a Surefire body with a momentary-only twisty tailcap, it serves that role admirably as well. One of the required attributes of a light intended for this purpose is blinding output, which the 35,000 candela provides at the distances the light would be deployed.

No doubt the E2HT is a specialized head intended for specific applications, thus my mine is always carried with another light for general illumination purposes.


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It's not a general purpose beam profile. The E2HT head is intended for use as a replacement head on SF M600 weapon lights, for which it serves admirably. There is a growing recognition and understanding of "candela" in that user group and how that applies to WML applications;




The E2HT head has a beam profile very similar to the Modlite OKW, though only 500 lumens/35,000 candela vs. the OKW at 680 lumens/69,000 candela.

For me the E2HT is perfect for use as an EDC self-defense light. Mated to a Surefire body with a momentary-only twisty tailcap, it serves that role admirably as well. One of the required attributes of a light intended for this purpose is blinding output, which the 35,000 candela provides at the distances the light would be deployed.

No doubt the E2HT is a specialized head intended for specific applications, thus my mine is always carried with another light for general illumination purposes.


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Thanks for the video, the beam shots were nice to compare. I am well aware about WML's as I have/do own a lot of them. I have a several of the 600 lumen Fury models on my rifles. I am not sure I would like the E2HT instead of the Surefire heads, unless I was shooting out past 100 yards I would guess. The Surefire scout heads give better situational awareness and a warmer tint while still having a decent amount of throw to them.

I did put a SF fury head on my MDC body and used a 16340 cell and it was actually really nice. I know a lot of gun guys including most special forces have no clue about lumens, lux and candela. I have seen there rifles many times, and I do see mostly Surefires. I have seen a couple SF bodies with Malkoff heads on them. They have no clue what I am asking about when I mention their lights most of the time.

Anyway, I would like a tight small packaged beam like the E2HT on a 16650 MDC body. I just wish it were a little warmer tint. However, time will tell. I really do like the E2HT head. I wished they were able to test one in the video, but I already know it would have been a super tight beam from that 35 yard bush photo I have seen. Plus it is too much of a limited supplied light head.

This light I keep on a AR and has been beaten to death for at least 5 years and 10,000 rounds, but the ano is only coming off in a few places.


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Even though the beam is really tight & bright with the E2HT, one of my very deliberate tests was to see if the spill is bright enough for SA in low light. I came to the conclusion that it is, though I would not want it any less bright. In this regard, the MD3-M91T has a distinct advantage.

My main priority for the E2HT head on the SF body as shown in my previous post is to impart maximum flash blindness and in that regard, it is clearly superior to the M91T based on the candela rating and my own observations. It obviously requires more precise alignment with the target, but at least so far I have not found it overly difficult to do so.

In terms of color temp, the hot spot is so bright and the spill dim enough that I honestly do not notice. Color temp is not a high priority for me, I find anything from 4000k to 6000k to be acceptable. The color temp of the E2HT does not appear to me as cool as the typical 6200k M61 drop-in.
 

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For the unarmed civilian, the idea is to deter through blinding to open an opportunity for evasion. That same window can be used in different ways depending on the situation and on how one might be equipped. The use of light is no longer restricted to simply establishing a PID.

Probably outside the scope of this forum, but I've been working on a consulting basis with a warrants officer in a major city PD. They do high-risk arrests (think section 8 housing drug dealers) and the use of blinding light as a compliance tool is something that is depended on. He went from a SF EDCL2-T to a MD3-M91T based on my recommendation and he has reported that light working more effectively than the SF. He's now going to experiment with a Modlite OKW handheld which just arrived today, so I will be hearing the results achieved with that light soon.

High-intensity lights like the OKW and even the E2HT are opening new fields of study and thus far (based on feedback from a group of LEOs using light this way) proving to be game changers.
 
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