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    Christo Pull Hair Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    I've been looking for a quality reliable full sized LED flashlight. All the well-recommended LED flashlights seem to be only 4" long.

    I want to replace my old halogen Mag-lite, with something lighter and more lumens ( NOT having to switch to "Turbo", but on high setting? Maybe 1100 lm? ) , but 4000K and rechargeable with a similar charging dock as the Mag-lite ( just don't want to have to plug it in all the time ), for under $100 if possible.

    Or am I looking for the impossible, with the 4000K? It seems like no one gives Kelvin stats anymore, with these LED flashlights.

    Thanks!




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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    If you are happy to compromise on output and price you could get a Malkoff MD2 host with an M61w (warm) drop in for abot 130 bucks.
    It's built in the US and designed to last a lifetime. It "only" does 325 limens, in fact I think they've just upped the output by 100Lm, but once you've used it, you'll wonder why you wanted 1000.
    Have a look at malkoffdevices.com (they have a sale on) or at the megabytes of posts about Malkoff on here.
    Good luck with your search.
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Thanks Peter, but I do night work, where I have to find addresses and knock on doors at night. I've been using the old halogen Mag-lite since 2006, but want something with more lumens, the same size, but lighter, and in around 4000K, which is pure white.

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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by Melissa2007 View Post
    Thanks Peter, but I do night work, where I have to find addresses and knock on doors at night. I've been using the old halogen Mag-lite since 2006, but want something with more lumens, the same size, but lighter, and in around 4000K, which is pure white.

    you can still use a malkoff for that. if you want a larger size, md3 and md4 bodies are longer
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    I looked on Amazon and didn't see them. I looked at their site, and they're not even dock rechargeable. Thanks anyway.
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Lee filters can change the tint on a streamlight stinger or strion to around 4000k and they’re dock rechargeable. Or if you’re looking for something bigger, stick with the maglite magcharger led
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Yeah, it looks like, if I want a FULL sized rechargeable LED flashlight with dock, I'll have to go with the Maglite RL1019, and just deal with the bluish white color temp. Thanks guys!







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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by aginthelaw View Post
    Lee filters can change the tint on a streamlight stinger or strion to around 4000k and they’re dock rechargeable. Or if you’re looking for something bigger, stick with the maglite magcharger led
    Filters can also attenuate the lumens. Thanks.

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    I think the challenge here is that with li-ion batteries these days, very few quality lights use multiple big heavy D cells or similar in series anymore. People don’t want to carry those large clunky lights around when they can get lots more light and flexibility out of much smaller pocketable lights. So the options are limited. The “popcan” lights are very high output and take a couple 18650s usually so they are thicker but not necessarily long. Is there a reason you need the flashlight to be long? That seems inconvenient to handle in most cases.

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    Yes. I'm a Process Server. I serve court documents, day and night. And before anyone gets a negative connotation from that, we're all guaranteed by our Constitution, "due process of the law. In other countries and/or in other times, the king or other ruler(s) would just send someone to your property, take everything you had, and throw you out on the street, or in some cases kill you. On any whim. But our Constitution guarantees due process. So when someone has a beef with someone else - be it over a dispute, a divorce, etc., they have them "served" with court documents, like a Summons, that says that you have court proceedings that you need to go take care of.

    So when I go out at night, I need a white light, for seeing addresses on buildings. SOMETIMES, even black numbers on brown backgrounds. YES, people do that.

    Then when I take the documents up to someone's door, I have the documents in my left hand, separated by the ones I'm giving them, and the work order sheet on top, that I keep. I have my pen in my right hand, to write down who they are, and a description of them. By the time I knock or ring their bell, I've also turned on my police style body cam, which hangs from my neck by a leather cord.

    In the past, I've stuck my halogen Mag-lite up under my left arm, to light up the documents AND hopefully enough of them, to get a better video on the night vision of my body cam. The body cam covers my butt, in several ways. I've only been attacked once, doing this for the past 15 years, but wish I'd had it back then. It also covers me against people claiming that I never served them, which has happened. And then we showed the judge my video. Heh...

    So if the flashlight is only 4" long ( this happened this past week, when we walked out the door and forgot my Mag-lite, but fortunately I had my new ThruNite TC15 in my purse as backup ) and I put that under my arm, I wound up dropping it on concrete. Fortunately it still works fine, but this is a better explanation of why I need a full sized flashlight, like the Mag-lite. But I understand the LED Mag-lite is around 5000K, which is getting bluish. I see best at night, for this work, with pure white ( thus the 4000K ) and it's been a real bear trying to find a full sized LED flashlight, at 4000K, with a charging dock like the Mag-lite has.

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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Ah, I see, so you hold it under your arm. That makes sense. I wonder if there are any angle-head type lights that might work, where you could clip it on your neck cord or purse strap if you carry that cross-body so you get the same directional beam on a smaller light that also leaves your hands/arms free to move around without dropping the light. Would something like that be a useful design? Now I’m curious to look around for something like that either way. Haha

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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Pricey, but take a look at the Lupine Betty TL2 Pro.

    Not sure of the stock CCT, but at least at one time, you could get custom light engines for those.

    Might be worth contacting them to check.
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Maybe a Steamlight Ultra Stinger or a Maglite ML150?

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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    The stock Klarus XT21X has reviews that say things like "long for a 21700", "very bright," and "very powerful." If the requirement is for something 13" and 1.75 lbs that sits in a cradle, then a LED light with Li-ion cells might not be in production in that category. But, the Klarus is over 6" long and pretty fat, and is a USB-rechargeable example of one of the larger lights that people these days call "tactical," whatever that means. To Klarus, it means a back button interface with instant access to strobe and turbo, and a pretty throwy light that won't fit comfortably in a pocket. I know, strobe is a silly thing to have on a light; I wish they didn't, or at least did a better job burying it.

    For what its worth, if I were trying to use 2 hands for paperwork, and simultaneously light a dark front door for good video, I'd use a high CRI flood headlamp or a lightweight flood flashlight clipped to the bill of my cap. To see house address numbers from the street, I'd use a different tool with a pretty intense focused beam, and put that tool back in its holster when I needed to use my hands/headlamp for other things.

    Anyway, the Magcharger has a much narrower beam when focused in to a point. The fixed Klarus beam will have more intensity than the halogen Maglite, but it takes over 3000 lumens to do it--it will light the whole front porch of whoever is getting served. Stock, the Klarus is 6500K. Vinh runs skylumen.com, and has options on his site to swap the LED and sell a 3000K, 4000K, or probably even a high CRI option, for $120--a steal, in my opinion, for a custom light that he personally warranties. But, just like CCT, beam shape (pencil vs wider) and user interface are personal preferences, so the Klarus might not fit the bill. I personally like the smaller Acebeam L16 single-tailswitch, turbo-only (no strobe) interface, but that's just me.

    For numbers people, here's a numbers comparison of the factory Klarus vs halogen Magcharger vs the LED Magcharger. As a numbers person myself, this to me looks like a stark description of a current-day "large" light vs what used to be a "standard" light: Klarus first, the Magcharger halogen that the OP has been using second, the "new" Magcharger LED third; and, as a wildcard for silly comparison, an HDS EDC tactical NLT 325 fourth.

    lumens on turbo when it first turns on: rated 4000 (actual 3250); rated 240; rated 643; 325 calibrated
    intensity (brightness in center of beam at "turbo" when it first turns on): 25Kcd; ~15Kcd; 41Kcd; 3 Kcd
    runtime at "medium": 6.5 hours @400 lumens; 2 hours @ 240 lumens; 2 hours at 643 lumens; 2 hours at 325
    runtime at "low": 21 hours at 100 lumens; 6.5 hours at "low" lumens; 17 hours at 148 lumens; 4.5 hours above 50 lumens
    weight with batteries: 8oz; 28oz; 28 oz; 3.6 oz
    length: 6.3"; 13"; 13"; 3.7"
    head dia: 1.6"; 2.3"; 2.3"; 1"
    battery: 21700 Li-ion; NiMH battery pack; NiMH battery pack; CR123 primary
    charging: USB; NiMH-specific cradle; LED-specific cradle; swap cells or use rechargeable 123 INR
    user interface: rear switches for strobe/turbo, side switch for 7 light levels; side button; side button; rear button programmable
    beam: fixed spot with spill; adjustable focus; adjustable focus; fixed spot/spill
    cost: $120 (stock or custom LED); n/a; $83; $314

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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    Ah, I see, so you hold it under your arm. That makes sense. I wonder if there are any angle-head type lights that might work, where you could clip it on your neck cord or purse strap if you carry that cross-body so you get the same directional beam on a smaller light that also leaves your hands/arms free to move around without dropping the light. Would something like that be a useful design? Now I’m curious to look around for something like that either way. Haha
    Nah, but have fun if you want to explore it for yourself.

    I suspect that this is why police like what they call full sized "law enforcement" flashlights. Because they can hold them under the arm, just like I do. It's simple, does the trick and doesn't require any head bands, miner's lamps or other fancy doo dads.

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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    I just replied to one of the above replies, hit the send button, and it said the server was busy and dumped everything that I'd written. I was saying that I'm a senior, barely paying the bills, and with no retirement plan either, so a $995 flashlight is way out of the question. Anyway, thanks for the suggestions, I'll look into some of them. The catch keeps being the 4000K that I'd like. Otherwise, I could just get the mod kit and turn this Mag-lite into an LED. But blue light isn't great for me seeing at night. Thanks guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melissa2007 View Post
    Nah, but have fun if you want to explore it for yourself.

    I suspect that this is why police like what they call full sized "law enforcement" flashlights. Because they can hold them under the arm, just like I do. It's simple, does the trick and doesn't require any head bands, miner's lamps or other fancy doo dads.
    LEO use them because they double as batons. That’s what I assumed you were wanting it for. I would look at something like the Fenix WT20R. Rechargeable light with pivot head, spot and flood modes, and a big clip. Clip on your bag strap, then you wouldn’t have to keep your arm clenched to your side to hold the light.

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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    LEO use them because they double as batons. That’s what I assumed you were wanting it for.
    No. I've got a Black Belt. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melissa2007 View Post
    .... I was saying that I'm a senior, barely paying the bills, and with no retirement plan either, so a $995 flashlight is way out of the question....
    This is one of the reasons that listing a preferred budget, whatever it may be, is (in my opinion) the single most useful piece of info to list in the original post.

    With most hobbyist equipment, to say nothing of professional tools, generally the sky is the limit on pricing.

    CPF members are happy to provide advice within any practical budget, but knowing that in advance helps quite a lot with guiding someone through the choices and tradeoffs.

    EDIT ... not sure if I missed the "under $100" or if it was added later, but yes that would rule out the Lupine for sure
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    The $100 was there originally. I don't see any point in going higher, because a complete new LED Mag-lite kit is $82, if I'm willing to work with the bluish light output. 643 lumens may not be ideal, but is adequate.

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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Since my last suggestion was (inadvertently) rather unhelpful, how about this next idea for "thinking outside the box" ....

    What you want is to find a torch you like, in a form factor you prefer (and at a reasonable price)

    There are plenty of small and inexpensive lights with the output and CCT to satisfy your criteria.

    And you actually want the flashlight to be larger, not smaller.

    So, how about making some sort of a fixture to hold the smaller item ?

    You could fix up something simple from supplies at a hardware store, or as fancy as something designed and custom 3D-printed.
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by Melissa2007 View Post
    The $100 was there originally. I don't see any point in going higher, because a complete new LED Mag-lite kit is $82, if I'm willing to work with the bluish light output. 643 lumens may not be ideal, but is adequate.
    Sorry I missed that.

    There is some possibility that a modder (such as v54) could change the emitter and perhaps boost the output.

    That would cost more than ($100 - $82) $18, but might get you something custom and exactly to your specs.
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Just have patience with us and we’ll get you there. Check out the website flashlights.parametrek.com and you can select the parameters you’re looking for and come up with some more ideas.
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

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    Filters can also attenuate the lumens. Thanks.
    Adventure Sport make conversion kits for Maglites. I think they do 5000, 2000 and 800 lumen. at those levels the attenuation by the Lee filters will not really matter.
    You could even contact them about warmer emitters as they are real humans and will answer the phone.
    That way you'll get the light that you want, maybe apart from the charging dock.
    Dunno, not up on Mags.
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    Default Re: Looking for a full sized LED 4000K flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by peter yetman View Post
    Adventure Sport make conversion kits for Maglites. I think they do 5000, 2000 and 800 lumen. at those levels the attenuation by the Lee filters will not really matter.
    You could even contact them about warmer emitters as they are real humans and will answer the phone.
    That way you'll get the light that you want, maybe apart from the charging dock.
    Dunno, not up on Mags.
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    Adventure Sports makes an 800 lumen drop-in specifically for the incandescent MagCharger. It is a cool white though and I do not know if they are willing to to make a custom neutral. I doubt the LEE filter required to get close to 4000K would really rob that much output but the drop-in might generate enough heat to warp the LEE filter. The MagCharger drop-in is $56 so it may be one of the more cost effective solutions since you already have the Mag.
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