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    Will be on short hours for at least two weeks soon...
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    Yeah Dave I've no idea what I was looking at. It looks like more of the sky is falling in Spain right now.
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    Looks like things are getting worse. There were 100 deaths in New York in the last 24 hours. This is starting to affect our critical infrastructure. Some Amazon employees have corona virus now. I heard it's delaying shipments by as much as a month. The California DMV is shut down and is switching to virtual appointments. A water desalinization plant in San Diego county that provides 10% of our water has employees camped out and isolated at the site so they don't get sick. I wonder how many others are taking similar precautions so we don't lose power, cable, internet, water, gas, etc. This could get bad. Congress is trying to run government with a skeleton crew to limit exposure to the virus. Truckers delivering our food and supplies are having a hard time finding anywhere to eat as sit down restaurants are closed and big rigs don't fit in drive-thrus. Lupus patients are finding out they can't get their prescription refilled as their medication is being stockpiled to fight corona virus. Let's hope and pray that this is over soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked on Fenix View Post
    Truckers delivering our food and supplies are having a hard time finding anywhere to eat as sit down restaurants are closed and big rigs don't fit in drive-thrus.
    I've been seeing them do take-out like everyone else around here. Or just parking and walking up to the drive-thru. Nothing wrong with that. Even at the banks they just park on the shoulder or lot and run up the the teller station to get cash since lobbies are closed.

    Living at work wouldn't be fun. Hopefully the water plant employees get a little bonus or something more than a high-five for their work!

    No surprise about the Amazon delays. If my local grocery store can't get some things in stock, I wouldn't expect Amazon, who ships all over the country, to be immune. Especially with everyone buying online now for convenience, to stay inside, and to simply be able to shop from dozens of sellers at once vs. running around town. They bust their butt to get things to me in time and deliver 99.9% of the time, so I'm not even thinking about a partial refund on my membership (you know some people will eventually bring it up)
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    Little late in the day, but Boris our UK prime minister has tested positive along with the health secretary. His symptoms are mild, but his partner is pregnant which of course is a worry. So he is in isolation now for 2 weeks. Unless symptoms get worse.
    I wonder if he will get to see what its like for 1000's of UK residents. Wonder if there will be a bed for him, or turned away. Maybe put in a corridor..............Thats what the NHS can be like to cuts, under funding over years and years, ironically by his government. Of course the answer wont be no! Nor would i want it to be. Heck they cant even test people on the front line who could be spreading it further. They dont have enough PPE so more risks.
    Stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives! Yes because of all the cuts, we were under pressure (read strain) before covid-19! Yes it infuriates me no end.

    There are plans a foot, be it the NEC in Birmingham, London, Manchester for temp hospitals/beds. Things are moving, yes, but its all too little too late. Full lock down a month back, they had seen what happened in Italy..........yet chose to go another path.


    Just stay in guys unless urgent(food/medicine type ), stay 2m away from others out of the house. All we can do until a vaccine which could be 2 months or 18 months!(hopefully a lot closer to the former). But who knows! Every time i go out and get back, i make sure i dont touch my face and wash hands. I moved some bins in before, off the street, straight away hands washed. Anything.......wash hands!

    Stay safe
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    America just passed a bill to send help across the country. Will it halt a major depression across the globe?
    It does toss a life ring to the American economy.

    Meanwhile my governor is scolding young people again today as I type this while he reminds them it's all old people die-ing. Now he is calling for the American government to nationalize companies who make certain items.

    Thank you to cops, nurses, doctors, fireman, ems folks, truck drivers, grocery store folks, warehouse workers, plumbers, electricians, mechanics, construction workers, restaraunt workers, ac/heater fixers, lumber jacks, filling station employees, coffee shop workers, and all kinds of other folks who are behind the scenes keeping things as normal as practical right now.
    Hopefully things will be back to normal sooner than later.
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    I dont think anything will stop a global depression, heck its not even got fully started yet. Too much worry and uncertainty unless all the main economies keep throwing billions........or trillions at it all. It will bounce back, it has to and it will. Might not be this summer, might not even be this year, but it will!!!

    Its so easy to type and talk on here, but i would be looking at shutting every state (if its possible , be it with army or ?? )to hold in each state to know numbers. To limit the spread further.

    I must sound crazy, but anything less than a full lock down...........i just dont know how this will go away anytime soon. By full lock down, a month minimum. Thats a scary thought for sure, but short term misery will promote long term happiness!!!

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    I'm not an economist, but I think that if all governments just printed up money in similar proportions, we could inflate our way out of the debt, and if all countries across the planet did the same (inflate at the same rate, our international dollar values/trade values would remain the same).
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    Poppy, I think part of a currencies value is it's availability. Hence the US government destroys X number of currency when they make new batches. And part is like Avon collectables as in it is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

    When I was a kid there were still gold and silver certificates in circulation. My brother worked at a gas station and there'd be a celebration whenever a "gold certificate" $20 bill was used to pay for a service. I had a few 1's and 5's silver certificates as a kid along with several $2 bills from before they reprinted those. Where they are today? Got me.

    I just hope the money the US government prints mostly goes to places that need it or will soon. The service industry has been hit pretty hard. The folks who stock cruise ships, the mom & pops diner, the hair care industry, the hot dog vendor at the ball park etc. Yeah, yeah, yeah some will be used to support big business too, but if every airline company shuts down just think of the impact to cargo. Big movie theatre companies and restaraunt chains.

    One thing is for certain, we will talk about Covid-19 for a while after this one. Used to be when strangers met "how about this weather?" Now it's "how about that beer bug thing?"
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    Spanish flu was the last time there was a pandemic, 1918!!!!! Lasted 2yrs and infected 500,000,000 people. No one was flying around then either spreading it faster. Death toll quoted, anywhere from 17,000,000 to even 50,000,000+. Thats some scary stats.

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    USA just jumped the 100000-line...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    Spanish flu was the last time there was a pandemic, 1918!!!!! ....
    There have been several (lesser but still severe) flu pandemics since then ... 1958, 1968, 2009

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...pandemics.html
    ... is the archimedes peak

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    I hope you all know this page: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6. Had no time to check older posts.

    If I understand the disease dynamics in China, what the heck Diamond Princess is?! Their line of new cases is almost flat!

    P.S.: Sorry, it is a cruise vessel standing in the ocean. No one lets it in. There are no more people to get sick.
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    Diamond princess is a ship
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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    I must sound crazy, but anything less than a full lock down...........i just dont know how this will go away anytime soon. By full lock down, a month minimum. Thats a scary thought for sure, but short term misery will promote long term happiness!!!
    Well, it would for sure accomplish much much more than “hoping and praying...” A deviation from dire consequences most certainly requires real action, not fingers crossed while rocking back and forth while mumbling.

    Frankly, such a total lockdown should have happened weeks ago...

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    Hooked on Fenix,
    No doubt many actions by persons and agencies will have to face the considerations of the courts, eventually. The arguments for and against any particular actions will be argued at that time. Now is not the time for taking up those arguments, in this thread, nor on this board.

    Our Underground board has many topical forums that could lend itself to the topic and is fully permitted.

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    New York state cases has passed Iran and is gaining on Germany. Yeah, it's by far the epicenter.

    For those watching the US death clock keep your eyes on Louisianna. For the world clock Iran is still the one leading the pack.
    Yeah, those fools went ahead w/ mardi gras. They are only 1 state away from me too...
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    Cant believe they let Mardi gras happen during these times

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    Quote Originally Posted by archimedes View Post
    There have been several (lesser but still severe) flu pandemics since then ... 1958, 1968, 2009

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...pandemics.html

    Thanks for the info, lets hope a vaccine is sooner than later with the covid19. Flights and the amount of world wide, has certainly speeded this up. Stay safe.

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    Cant believe they let Mardi gras happen during these times

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    Although no exact proof yet, its possible this virus was circulating as early as January in Europe(no one knew at the time obviously). Game zero! A game of football named so, which took part just before the first case of COVID19. This game they (they as in health specialist/s in Italy) basically called it a biological bomb. This was the 19th Feb, what they believe played a huge part of the spread.

    Stay safe guys.

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    Realizing that one plague took place a bit over 100 years ago, there seems to be some history repeating. Humans are dumb. I mean we have the ability to reason but if you look back in time we tend to repeat the same mistakes. There are parallels to 1918 out break all over again. One city excersizing caution with another throwing caution to the wind. What's worse is the city leaders had been told since late 2019 it was heading their way.

    Globetrotting back in 1918 was mainly available to the wealthy, recreational speaking. Plenty of big boats left countries loaded with peasants heading for better shores too but what I mean is in 2019/20 globe trotters are a lot more prevalant, which is why so much of the planet has been affected.

    Heck, my ears perked up back before Christmas regarding that virus that was affecting them. We talked about it at our family gathering as in what would it look like by summer in the US. We talked about it my work too. One lad I was training actually posed the question "when will the US get it's first case?" and at that point we probably already had a few but just didn't know it. It's just history repeating.

    Now to check the death clock for today………
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    New York's Governor Cuomo does a daily update.
    I think he is leading the nation in his response to the corona virus.
    It is a good listen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUTn8n_eg0E

    This one dated 3/27/2020 starts about ten minutes in.

    In this one he explains that he will close schools for another two weeks.
    He explains what is being done to increase treatment capacity.

    New York City is considered the epicenter with over 9 million people. New Jersey is just across the river of NYC with a population of 9 million. While NJ is increasing treatment capacity, I think it is lagging behind NY.

    I pray that the people of NJ recognize, that without social distancing, and staying in place, we will be next.
    We need to increase treatment capacity, and work at decreasing the rate of infection.

    The good news @ 30 minutes, he displays a graph over time, the number of people who have been hospitalized.
    The geometric rate is still going to over-run treatment capacity, but the geometric rate is slowing.
    Initially hospitalizations doubled every 2.5 days, then every 3 days, and now every 4 days.

    Also, I think in this presentation it was stated that there is, on the close horizon, a skin prick test that can be self administered, it will give results in 15 minutes. This could be huge for a number of reasons.

    As our friend ven states daily: wash your hands, and maintain your distance!

    Stay safe.
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    I really enjoy when the cuomo brothers have interviews. They are pretty funny and great sense of humor during these difficult times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    Although no exact proof yet, its possible this virus was circulating as early as January in Europe(no one knew at the time obviously). Game zero!
    Probably in other countries too. The slow-burning fuse @ the start of the exponential curve. Probably some deaths attributed to other causes, too. And then @ some point, the numbers / severity of cases rises above the noise floor, and alarm bells go off.

    In the NL it was carnival related parties (mid/late febr). Many of the earlier patients' infections have been traced back to such a party. And the area currently hardest hit is #1 carnival heartland.

    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Globetrotting back in 1918 was mainly available to the wealthy, recreational speaking. Plenty of big boats left countries loaded with peasants heading for better shores too but what I mean is in 2019/20 globe trotters are a lot more prevalant, which is why so much of the planet has been affected.
    You don't need many globe trotters. Just a few to carry disease from one population centre to another. And air travel speeds up the process so that countries on the receiving end have less time to react. In 1918 that was ships mostly, that take 3 weeks to cross the pond. Today people hop on a plane. In that sense there's really just 3 factors different between 1918 & now: a) the speed of events, b) the overall population density, and c) the capabilities of our medical systems. Well you might add the internet.

    Some other interesting tidbits:
    In the NL about 80% of patients on IC were found to be overweight. Seems like there is some relation between overweight and the chance of developing serious symptoms. Might be as simple as heaving trouble to push up a heavier chest while breathing. Maybe the overweight-diabetes link. Maybe just overall health. Or some combination thereof. I suspect the UK, US and Mexico are in for a wild ride in the months ahead. As they all share an overweight (or even obese) population, AND a government that acted late. Not to mention these countries' health systems. Don't be surprised if the epicentre of the pandemic shifts from Italy / Spain to those countries.
    Also: in Belgium, a cat got sick from COVID-19. Let the speculation begin about how likely human -> cat and cat -> human transmission is. Same for dogs, rabbits, rats, mice, pigs, cows, horses, goats, ...

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    Retro,

    In 1918, ships did not take three weeks to cross the Atlantic!
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    Today i had to run out for some dog food(not literally........burger that for a game of soldiers!). It was also a little excuse to top up the car battery and get everything running(cars dont seem to like being sat for too long and i still await my battery charger). Anyway, probably taking 5 or 6 miles each way to the unit. Frozen supplies topped up, treats topped up and some sacks of minced tripe.......yum yum!. The roads where quiet, but still traffic about, odd people walking their dog or jogging alone. I just hope everyone can keep to the measures. We are all in it together, we are as good as the weakest link.........which does worry me.

    Even though the same measures as our supermarkets, none existent in some smaller outlets, common sense prevailed. The 3 or 4 in the shop kept our distance(even without the tape and X marked here and X marked there).

    It was also good to get out(not a random drive for no reason, one for pet food and who i have used for ages, supporting local business which is also important where possible). It gives a change of scenery, but its not too hard for me anyway. My days of partying at weekend are long gone. Other than closed shops for none essentials, quieter roads(thats a great thing), its pretty much no different other than restrictions shopping or going out as a family.

    Needless to say, soon as i got in i washed hands thoroughly, put food away in freezer, washed hands thoroughly. I went out into street to check on the other recycle bins that were not emptied yesterday, still not today....yet. Back in, you guessed it........washed hands!!!

    Stay safe my fellow CPF family, what ever state your living in. NY right now even more so, we will all come through this. But regardless of country, we all have to work together to make it sooner than later. Any high populated city is or has the potential to be a hot spot. NY for now, but LA or Washington or ??? all are at the same risk. If not this week, next, or week after etc.

    From reading on stats and findings , it seems the older males are more at risk with 60-70% compared to women. Although children are at risk, these are much less and tend to have milder symptoms. Cats, dogs (pets) low risk of catching or passing on covid19

    From the WHO
    The good news is, current advice from the World Health Organisation and British Veterinary Association is that there’s no evidence that pets can be a source of infection or that they can become sick from COVID-19.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLED View Post
    Retro,

    In 1918, ships did not take three weeks to cross the Atlantic!

    Maybe 3 months weather dependant .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ven View Post
    From the WHO
    The good news is, current advice from the World Health Organisation and British Veterinary Association is that there’s no evidence that pets can be a source of infection or that they can become sick from COVID-19.


    This is just not true...

    https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...nsmission.html

    And

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...covid-19-virus


    Truth does matter. While it’s “only two” cases, the WHO simply cannot say there’s “no evidence” that pets can get infected with COVID-19.

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    Dogs have carried types of Coronavirus forever. There’s no reason to think they wouldn’t carry this one. The first vaccines that puppies get include Coronavirus.
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    http://blogs.denverpost.com/titanic/...ance-atlantic/

    If you read contemporary accounts of the Titanic disaster – you get the impression that the ship was built to smash the transatlantic speed record and met with disaster as a result of that need for speed.This is simply not the case. The White Star Line had long surrendered the Blue Riband award for the fastest Atlantic crossing – an honor the line had last captured in August 1891 when the Teutonic made the westbound crossing in 5 days, 16 hours, 31 minutes at a top speed of 20.35 knots.
    Twenty years later, the Titanic’s maximum speed was 23 knots, which was not at all competitive. The Cunard Line’s Mauretania had captured the Blue Ribband in Sept. 1909 with a top speed of 26 knots.
    In reality, by the time the White Star Line contracted the Harland and Wolff Shipyard to build Olympic and Titanic, the line was fighting for dominance in another race – the race to offer the most luxurious accommodations the world have ever seen.
    I'm guessing that 3 months was by sail-boat.
    In 1918 we had steam ships.
    WWI started when? 1917?
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