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    Default Surefire Blast from the Past - 10X Dominator

    Gotta love the “Go from operational to blinding light instantly“, I guess 500 lm is somewhat blinding in the grand scheme of things.

    Technology certainly has come along way, but I do love some of these old dinosaurs.

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    Is this one in your current collection? What kind of tasks would you use it for? Seeing this makes it feel like yesterday I was 15 years old flipping through the early 2000 surefire catalogs drooling at all the awesome lights i could use to defend my parents farm animals from predators. Any idea on the retail price of that one? I remember the devastator was like $400..way out of my price range but i did end up with a used M3T that made easy spotting of critters around the barnyard. Surefire had the best branding and marketing. So awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBaller View Post
    Is this one in your current collection? What kind of tasks would you use it for? Seeing this makes it feel like yesterday I was 15 years old flipping through the early 2000 surefire catalogs drooling at all the awesome lights i could use to defend my parents farm animals from predators. Any idea on the retail price of that one? I remember the devastator was like $400..way out of my price range but i did end up with a used M3T that made easy spotting of critters around the barnyard. Surefire had the best branding and marketing. So awesome.
    Yes, this is one in my collection, I received if from a friend here some time ago.

    Can't say that I'd ever see a use for it these days, but it's still got plenty of cool factor.

    I don't remember the price point on these, but they were not "inexpensive" lights for sure.

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    I've owned two of these, the first I picked up in 2009. The original MSRP was $500, and they were released somewhere around 2001.

    Other than the A2, I've put more hours on these lights than any other in my collection of Surefires.

    There are two lamp assembly's to choose from for the low beam, the MN30 (60 lumens) or the MN32 (110 lumens).
    Fresh hot off the charger, with the MN32 LA installed, the light was putting out something on the order of 700 torch lumens plus IIRC due to various comparisons I did with other lights. It's brighter than an M6 with MN21, and the beam is more impressive due to the massive spill, along with slightly better throw.

    At the same time, it's the most flaky, unreliable Surefire I've owned. And sadly, my second one broke last year in the same exact fashion as the previous one many years ago. The weak point in these lights is the small metal tab inside the bezel that makes contact with the battery pack. After years of use, it eventually breaks off from all the repeated flexing/contact. I suppose someone with the skills could solder it back on, I didn't posses the skills to fix mine. A small little oversight from PK possibly.

    The chargers and batteries can be problematic as well. I had several issues with the chargers, and a few battery packs had cells that were out of balance.

    However, all those issues aside, the versatility of the dual beams, and the sheer output, it's an impressive light, especially for the day. And a very underrated one as well. With the inability to fix mine, sadly it went back to Surefire for credit towards a new light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DayofReckoning View Post
    I've owned two of these, the first I picked up in 2009. The original MSRP was $500, and they were released somewhere around 2001.

    Other than the A2, I've put more hours on these lights than any other in my collection of Surefires.

    There are two lamp assembly's to choose from for the low beam, the MN30 (60 lumens) or the MN32 (110 lumens).
    Fresh hot off the charger, with the MN32 LA installed, the light was putting out something on the order of 700 torch lumens plus IIRC due to various comparisons I did with other lights. It's brighter than an M6, and the beam is more impressive due to the massive spill, along with slightly better throw.

    At the same time, it's the most flaky, unreliable Surefire I've owned. And sadly, my second one broke last year in the same exact fashion as the previous one many years ago. The weak point in these lights is the small metal tab inside the bezel that makes contact with the battery pack. After years of use, it eventually breaks off from all the repeated flexing/contact. I suppose someone with the skills could solder it back on, I didn't posses the skills to fix mine. A small little oversight from PK possibly.

    The chargers are batteries can be problematic as well. I had several issues with the chargers, and a few battery packs had cells that were out of balance.

    However, all those issues aside, the versatility of the dual beams, and the sheer output, it's an impressive light, especially for the day. And a very underrated one as well. With the inability to fix mine, sadly it went back to Surefire for credit towards a new light.
    Great bunch of info, thank you for that.

    Can the battery packs be replaced in these? If seems when fresh off the charger, the MN30 will dim quite a bit when the MN32 kicks on as well. To be honest, it dies not appear to get much brighter with both bulbs on. Getting dark now, I'm going to test it outside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F250XLT View Post
    Great bunch of info, thank you for that.

    Can the battery packs be replaced in these? If seems when fresh off the charger, the MN30 will dim quite a bit when the MN32 kicks on as well. To be honest, it dies not appear to get much brighter with both bulbs on. Getting dark now, I'm going to test it outside.
    Your battery pack is most certainly shot, no doubt. I do recall a post about someone replacing the cells with Eneloops AA's, but it was a pretty one off thing, and they had to tape the pack back together. The post is somewhere around here I'm sure. I don't really remember anyone else rebuilding these battery packs. But I'm certain it could be done.

    The only question is, how would one charge? Modify the factory battery charger?

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    I put Eneloops in my 10X years ago and they work just fine on HO for short periods. Just for a few minutes of fun memories every once in awhile...

    I never need to use my 10X any more seriously than that anymore. Sadly.

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    How did you secure the eneloops? Did you solder them all in?

    I love old SF lights and always wanted one of these but must admit I have never read to much good about them. I would have no problem getting the eneloop mod done to keep it up and going but if it’s not going to perform well with them I’m thinking it’s not worth it.

    And if the only way to get it running right is to use a different handle/charging holder I might as well get something else as I would like to keep it original looking
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    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    How did you secure the eneloops? Did you solder them all in?

    I love old SF lights and always wanted one of these but must admit I have never read to much good about them.
    Just from my own experience, with a fresh battery, the 10X is actually slightly brighter than an M6 with the HOLA. It's crazytown. Too bad there isn't much of a current battery solution.

    It's a nice light and I wish I had bought a few when they were cheap while everyone was wanking themselves over LED lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    How did you secure the eneloops? Did you solder them all in?
    I soldered them together and to the OEM head as well as shrink wrapped them. I didn't secure the head in the handle so it can drop out for charging via leads I included during soldering.

    I don't use it for anything other than a minute or two of non serious light at a time just for fun and memories. The Eneloop pack has lasted for years without charging in this role

    Given the ongoing need for replacement bulbs I'm not sure I would want to use it in any daily role. I would be happy to have it around in working condition for another decade or two!

    Dennis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
    I soldered them together and to the OEM head as well as shrink wrapped them. I didn't secure the head in the handle so it can drop out for charging via leads I included during soldering.

    I don't use it for anything other than a minute or two of non serious light at a time just for fun and memories. The Eneloop pack has lasted for years without charging in this role

    Given the ongoing need for replacement bulbs I'm not sure I would want to use it in any daily role. I would be happy to have it around in working condition for another decade or two!

    Dennis.

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    Any chance you'd be willing to make another modified pack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by F250XLT View Post
    Any chance you'd be willing to make another modified pack?
    Sadly my skill level is "Did a drunk monkey solder that?" and not something I could guarantee to hold up to actual use. Also you need the original battery handle to take apart and solder the new pack to the contacts.

    Luckily, if you have any soldering experience, it's not that hard to take apart a battery handle and do a drunk monkey quality switch to Eneloops

    Speaking of, does anyone know if there are upgraded NiMh versions of the original "A" size cells available?

    Dennis.
    Last edited by Dennis; 04-20-2020 at 05:15 PM.

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    Ok so you guys got me to check out my 10X and charge the Eneloop pack for the first time in years. I made the pack in 2011 and it just discharged and charged up to 2130mAh.

    I took some pics of the pack showing my charging leads. I also took a couple comparison beam shots: 10X HO + higher LO bulbs vs an X300U 600 lumen light. I didn't standardize the shots but they accurately reflect what I saw. I tried the 10X on full for 30 seconds and saw minimal fall off, but it did get hot!

    Question for those who know better than me, will these work better than the Eneloops?

    https://www.batteryspace.com/nimhrec...700mah1pc.aspx

    Enjoy and Thanks!

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    X300U 600 lumen. Yes it's warmer than the 10X!


    10X with HO and higher LO bulbs.
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    I love how that 10X picture shows the huge light quality difference of a well driven incan vs. even a decent quality warmer tinted LED light source.
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