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    So today the US may crack gold record status. The 1 million mark.

    Scientists are ceaselessy searching for ways to stop it. Big pharma is searching for a pill to treat it and the wheels on the bus go round and round.

    My community has been deemed an out break area. We were the last in the area and being surrounded by out breaks it was just a matter of time. Nothing on the scale of a Detroit or Philly, but still unsettling to see numbers double overnight 5 days in a row. Like many areas the first cases showed up in the community nursing home. The deaths are also in said nursing home. Shoot for that matter some 80% have been in nursing homes. Community spreads have largely been contained to families. Even in the inner city as folks are doing what is reccomended.

    At the grocery store it looks like folks have grown tired of spagetti and frozen pizza. The canned soups too. The canned tuna, and typically other easy to find items were gone yesterday. Many are wearing masks but not the majority. What was a plethora of individualized masks are now generic light blue dental masks. The kind you can easily blow out a match through. Eh, if it makes folks more at ease I'm all for it.

    There were zero frantic shoppers in the grocery store yesterday. The one guy with enough beer to last most the rest of the summer but looking at the guy he'll probably be buying more before the week is done. If beer stops corona he'll be fine. He mumbled something about "corona balona" when asked "why so much beer friend".ÖÖ

    My governor announced he just got a large shipment of tests from China and will soon be partnering with private labs. Our state is one of those Dr Fauchi spoke of about under utilizing laboratory capacity. Not saying that to be critical, since they were behind the curve on acquiring tests, they did not need a bunch of labs. But the re-open plan hinges on tests, tests, tests. He indicated he hopes to be at 10k per day able by May1.

    Prisons are being hit hard. I suppose that is the case everywhere. Hospital staff are being furloughed in the larger communities. What is called congregate settings is where the over whelming majority of cases are and not wide spread in communities thanks to folks self isolating early on. I'd like to see some places be allowed to reopen. Places like golf pro shops, dress shops and out door fruit stands. But to be honest I cannot say I would be inclined to shop at those places just yet. At least for another few weeks in my community.

    The recovery numbers are exploding way faster than cases in some places. Other places father time has not had enough ticks to show that kind of progress. In my community for example, the cases are new so it'll be a few weeks for those numbers to even appear at all. But they will. Meanwhile allergy medicine continues to fly off store shelves as folks who normally power through pollen season want to ensure it's just allergies and not "uh oh"ÖÖÖ
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    In more East Coast news, the USNS Comfort is offloading the last if it's patients and preparing to leave New York.
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    I did my senior hour shopping this morning, in NE New Jersey.
    Fresh fruits and vegetables were a plenty, but no eggplant! I want to make some Eggplant Rollatini and some pickled eggplant in garlic and olive oil.

    Pasta was back, but no three pound packages of skinless boneless chicken breasts, they'll be back.
    Frozen pizza was very limited. Maybe a dozen of them, where the cases would hold, I estimate 200.
    Unfortunately for me, that was my mission of the day, to get California Pizza Kitchen Pizza for my autistic grandson. There was none.
    Fortunately he is highly functional, but has some eating issues.

    There was very little in the way of paper goods, a few small packages of TP (I left them because we are not desperate) I did take a 4 pack of paper towels.

    There was a fair amount of beef, steaks, and roasts. There was some one pound packages of chopped beef, but there were more 5 and 10 pound vacuum sealed 80% chopped beef, packages. Probably packaged for the restaurant trade.

    @ $3.99 a pound, at least they weren't price gouging.

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    Senior hour is from 6:00 AM to 7:30 AM.
    So I was out early.
    I brought the food home, wiped down the cold stuff with disinfectant before putting it away, and then continued on my mission to Target, which online stated it had limited stock of the precious California Pizza Kitchen, pizza. I thought they opened at 7:00 AM and got there a few minutes early, only to find that they open at 8:00.

    I went to the Home Depot and picked up some copper fittings and 1/2 pipe to teach my grandson how to sweat fittings for a plumbing merit badge he is working on.

    When I came back this is what I saw.






    There was still 30 minutes to go, and they were standing in the rain!

    Tomorrow is another day, and the weather will be DRY!
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    Good news on the comfort. Woohoo!!

    Yeah, the restaraunt and cruise ship suppliers had to pivot greatly. I suppose some of the bulk packaging shows up in grocery stores by now. I heard they had gone to home delivery in some places but had not seen it where I am.

    Good news for our community is no new cases in 48 hours. Unfortunatly one more was plucked in the big lottery in the sky though. All who've perished were in the same nursing home. I really feel bad for the families because they are not even allowed to visit those facilities, much less bid a farewell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Good news on the comfort. Woohoo!!

    Yeah, the restaraunt and cruise ship suppliers had to pivot greatly. I suppose some of the bulk packaging shows up in grocery stores by now. I heard they had gone to home delivery in some places but had not seen it where I am.

    Good news for our community is no new cases in 48 hours. Unfortunatly one more was plucked in the big lottery in the sky though. All who've perished were in the same nursing home. I really feel bad for the families because they are not even allowed to visit those facilities, much less bid a farewell.
    Was there anything said about using the comfort in VA?
    I'm just wondering if those beds will be needed. I hope not.

    On my way back from Target this morning, I passed by a Senior Village that is large enough that it has assisted living, and nursing home accommodations. There was a line of cars at the front gate. I have never seen that before. I wonder if it is concerned family members pulling their parents out of there before its too late. I haven't been following the news too closely, but I think that the curves are generally headed downward, but the nursing home deaths are on the rise, if not actually on the rise, just too high a percentage.
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    Today the number of US Coronavirus deaths will surpass the number of Americans who died in the Vietnam war.

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    Poppy, I do not anticipate a call for the Comfort here since the capacity of hospitals far exceed cases. Perhaps if it is called upon it would be in a location where MD DC and VA could share it.


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    John H. Tyson of Tyson Foods issued a warning in an open letter published in a full page ad in the New York Times, Washington Post, and Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. The warning was "The food supply chain is breaking". Apparently, enough food processing plants are closed due to corona virus that the animals are getting killed off or depopulated because they are running out of places to sell them off. This could be a real problem coming up. It's one thing to have a backlog of animals to slaughter once things get back to normal. It's a much worse situation if we have a shortage of meat animals longer term. Will this require another bailout to pay for animal feed and other running costs for farmers to keep them from killing off these animals in order to keep them in business?

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    Perhaps a bit of a stretch to call meat production, the 'food supply chain' ? I keep very close track of my diet & food purchases; over the past few years, I've been eating no more than one pound of meat per month; my food supply chain is based on my ample staples of beans, rice, nuts, dried fruit, and many other bulk foods that store (edit: and transport) exceedingly well.

    As far as my vegetables go, I have been buying much more cabbage, since I have had a more difficult time getting one my two favorite vegetables, kale.
    Have been doing quite well with apples, potatoes, and onions though - they store very well indeed.
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    If there is a bailout it would go to the farmers who have seen demand for their supply drop in some areas. But the overall (meat) supply chain in America is so diverse it won't likely lead to shortages.

    Price spikes? Perhaps.
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    I've just taken a snapshot of aircraft in the air over the USA!

    I was shocked at the number, this may explain why the death rate etc is so high in the USA, I'd assumed that you'd locked down you aviation industry.



    Taken at 1913 hrs (Central European Time) Monday 27th April 2020.

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    Dave, USA is buying online and air mail has exploded as airlines have gone from people to packages.

    Where my wife works their sales have increased like 5x. In other words when they were a store who sold to walk ins they were struggling to make a profit. Once folks started staying at home they have hired extra folks just to assemble "to go" packages that end up on a UPS truck 3 loads a day versus formerly 2x per week.

    Some 6 million people unemployed is a huge number. Yet 150 million people are still working. Many from home so they have got spare time galore. That and a bunch of folks are spending those stimulous checks.

    However domestic travel is still available here. There just aren't that many people travelling. My company for example has squashed all out of state business regardless of how you get there. My boss lives in one state that butts up to mine. She is not allowed to travel 3 hours to our office right now because she originates out of state.

    But where she lives there are zero cases. Where I am we're approaching 1000 so she aint real anxious to come see us right now.

    Meanwhile Dr Byrx type scarves are selling faster than face masks and toilet paper here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave D View Post
    I've just taken a snapshot of aircraft in the air over the USA!

    I was shocked at the number, this may explain why the death rate etc is so high in the USA, I'd assumed that you'd locked down you aviation industry.
    Taken at 1913 hrs (Central European Time) Monday 27th April 2020.
    I believe that's a fraction of the usual traffic; living rather near one of the major airports in the United States and working from home for going on 8 weeks I've noticed drastically fewer aircraft in the pattern.

    While cabin cargo is indeed becoming a thing for airlines starved for revenue, it's not really a substitute for the passengers that airlines are built around. Forbes has a more detailed article on the legalities and specifics of how airlines are approaching the matter.
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    Good read idle.

    I suppose one could easily "over weight" an aircraft if not careful. Books, foods and other items have a lot of weight per area ratio. So I wonder how they ensure they evenly distribute weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Good read idle.

    I suppose one could easily "over weight" an aircraft if not careful. Books, foods and other items have a lot of weight per area ratio. So I wonder how they ensure they evenly distribute weight.
    I gather that the job of an aircraft loadmaster involves a great deal more calculations than one imagines of ground crew. Passengers tend to fall within a predictable weight range and distribution thus aren't so much a challenge unlike cargo where one likely cannot arbitrarily pack one end of the aircraft with feather pillows and the other with barbells.
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    Has anyone seen the two Dr.s from Bakersfield, CA on YouTube? What these Dr.s are saying is shocking about how the response to COVID-19 has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedLED View Post
    Has anyone seen the two Dr.s from Bakersfield, CA on YouTube? What these Dr.s are saying is shocking about how the response to COVID-19 has been.

    Must see.
    If you can't post a link, it didn't happen.

    Sorry just a thing from the past. L Ron Hubbard... "If it isn't written, it isn't real."

    Actually, in response to your post... I did not see what they said.
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    Sorry Poppy, I don't think I'm in their good graces around here, so I did not post it.

    But go to YouTube, and type in Bakersfield Doctor's. That is what I did.

    Trust me, Poppy, you will like it.
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    Red,
    Thanks for that.
    Who knows, who is right?

    Certainly there is the moral issue.
    Euthanasia ... good or bad?
    Shall we do all we can to protect the populace and minimize the deaths?

    OTOH
    The economy is in the tank, with few working.
    Let this virus run its course... let the weak die, only the strong survive, we'll have a stronger, more vibrant, population... and we can get back to business.
    How long can the country survive, going into debt, or printing money?

    Will there be a global response, where each country devalues their dollar the same? SO that it all remains the same but not backed by the same amount of Gold?

    So lots of questions, and few answers.

    It appears to me, that there will be a toe in the water, re-opening of businesses in the next couple of weeks, as a test to see how it goes. I hope it goes well. As we all know, that it will take a couple of weeks to see if things have gotten worse. OK, we are sure they will have gotten worse, but at that point it will have to be determined how much worse is acceptable, or if the re-opening will have to be scaled back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    Shall we do all we can to protect the populace and minimize the deaths?

    let the weak die, only the strong survive, we'll have a stronger, more vibrant, population... and we can get back to business.
    "There are more important things than living...I donít wanna die. Nobody wants to die. But we gotta take some risks..." - Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick

    I see a recurrent theme forming.

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    I was at one of the big DIY stores a couple of weeks ago and I was surprised to see a whole palette of toilet paper on display in an aisle. No shortage there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonWrangler View Post
    I was at one of the big DIY stores a couple of weeks ago and I was surprised to see a whole palette of toilet paper on display in an aisle.
    What color was it?

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    Let''s keep it non politicial here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarHalo View Post
    "There are more important things than living...I donít wanna die. Nobody wants to die. But we gotta take some risks..." - Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick

    I see a recurrent theme forming.
    Star,
    You point that out, like you disagree.
    Do you disagree?

    We've been told that it will be 18 months for a vaccination, (the current flu bug alters such that the annual flu vaccine is changed twice each year), and that we can't open the economy totally safely until after the vaccination is in place.

    With the above information, the educated mind, must know:
    1. the economy can not be shut down for 18 months, and still have the populace survive.
    2. should the government attempt to shutdown the economy for 18 months, the populace would revolt
    3. Chaos...

    Should the economy be opened with some risks, of an increased number of deaths, due to an increase in spread of the virus, OR should the economy be closed so that the police and fireman have to work as volunteers, and the postal workers, and the food delivery workers, and the Amazon workers, and the truck drivers, all have to work out of the goodness of their hearts, For AMERICA! Because 80-90% of America are out of work, and can't pay their bills? When the above are not paid and can't pay their bills, will they continue to work? WHY?

    The Federal Government depends upon the income tax of the populace. What happens when the populace is out of work?

    I could go on and on, but am too tired.

    You're a smart guy... figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poppy View Post
    You're a smart guy... figure it out.
    Here's what I'm figuring: Let's say a couple nights from now, you're here typing, comfortable in your quarantine, and your dad calls to tell you that his chest is very tight and it's getting hard to move. That's going to be an automatic visit to the ER, and the ER sure is busy. Later, the nurse mentions in passing that this may be a ventilator situation and that may present some difficulties. Later, the doctor needs to speak with you in private that it's a triage situation, and it comes down to someone who is quite old and infirm versus those who will surely recover better, and we have to work with what we are given, and it's unfortunately not going to be a ventilator situation, but there is a silver lining to this, a greater good that we can think about in this time..

    I figure you would not want that doctor to share your sentiment about the strong surviving/a more vibrant population.

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    Unfortunately the majority who go on a ventilator do not survive, so if you get to that point, itís almost irrelevant whether you get one or not. So give them to whoever you want, but recognize that many are for lack of a better term, ďwastedĒ. This does not mean I donít care about those people or want them to die, itís just the sucky truth.

    Here is something I would like to research as I donít know a ton about vaccines... if it turns out that recovery from this disease does not impart immunity (so far no hard evidence that it does), how does a vaccine even work for it? Or does it even work? Isnít the point of the vaccine to give you weakened forms of the virus so your body can develop antibodies to fight the real thing? If you donít develop an effective immune response from having the disease and successfully fighting it off, does a vaccine work any different?

    If a vaccine will not prove to be effective, then we are waiting around for nothing. If recovering from the disease does not impart immunity then after all this mess we will come out of it in a situation where everyone could just get it again and where the only people now safe from COVID19 are the ones who died from it. That would really be the cherry on top.

    So, I need to do some reading to understand that better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    Unfortunately the majority who go on a ventilator do not survive, so if you get to that point, itís almost irrelevant whether you get one or not. So give them to whoever you want, but recognize that many are for lack of a better term, ďwastedĒ. This does not mean I donít care about those people or want them to die, itís just the sucky truth.
    Correct, so you would tell the doctor, "Well the ventilator is just a death sentence anyway, so don't bother"? You would want your children to tell the doctor that regarding you?

    Quote Originally Posted by nbp View Post
    if it turns out that recovery from this disease does not impart immunity (so far no hard evidence that it does), how does a vaccine even work for it?
    I would wager it's a viral load problem, so that once you're exposed, you are in fact immune to a limited quantity of the virus, but not a strong influx of it, as experienced by doctors and police. Which would mean the shot should work for you, but it won't completely work for the people who would have to try to heal or protect you..

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