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    What is the most powerful commercially available portable HID spotlight?

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    I don't have any idea, but the Lemax LX70 Superpower surely has to be near the top.

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    Why is xeray is expensive?

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    You may want to consider Polarion PH50D. It does not go to 70W but it is half the weight and more ergonomic. Few companies make hand-held HID searchlights. Market has gone LED. That said, HID is far superior for long range illumination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smood View Post
    Why is xeray is expensive?
    Because it is superior, with a military grade ballast that meets higher thermal management and EMI and RFI standards. (it doesn't get hot)
    We also offer high wattage rated bulbs and warranty / service (repairs) are handled in the USA (cheap shipping within USA)
    We also made the ULTRA limited edition 40/85 dual wattage version. An upgraded LX70 or Superpower.
    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...od-SIGN-UP-NOW

    Weight of XV-LX70 is 4.85 lbs (2200 grams) only including the handle. Not remotely close to "heavy" compared to others, check the numbers.
    Well balanced in the hand and very ergonomic, with 20 watts more output. The Polarion PH50D weight is about 4 lbs. (1810 grams), hardly 1/2 the weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    Because it is superior, with a military grade ballast that meets higher EMI and RFI standards.
    We also offer wattage rated bulbs and warranty / service (repairs) are handled in the USA (cheap shipping within USA)
    We also made the ULTRA limited edition 40/85 dual wattage version. An upgraded LX70 or Superpower.
    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...od-SIGN-UP-NOW

    Weight of XV-LX70 is 4.85 lbs (2200 grams) only including the handle. Not remotely close to "heavy" compared to others, check the numbers.
    Well balanced in the hand and very ergonomic, with 20 watts more output. The Polarion PH50D weight is about 4 lbs. (1810 grams), hardly 1/2 the weight.
    Any thoughts on making a larger (like thor cyclops size) and even more powerful hid light? Do you do custom builds?

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    Yeah......Where's that 250 Watt mentioned a number of years back???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smood View Post
    Any thoughts on making a larger (like thor cyclops size) and even more powerful hid light? Do you do custom builds?

    We build custom ballasts of different outputs, input voltages, sizes and shapes for our OEM customers.
    We must look at market size and demand to be sure we make a product that will pay for its development costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    Yeah......Where's that 250 Watt mentioned a number of years back???

    As you know we made a 1 off ballast and sourced a bulb. The warm up of the VERY HIGH output bulb took too long to warm up to its high output for any practical applications for any of our target markets.
    The alternative bulbs didn't have the output we were looking for of about 25,000 to 30,000 lumens.

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    Probably a Mercury Xenon lamp? They are very bright for the power level vs Xenon. Xenon in the 35-40 Lumens per watt and I think 110 to 115 Lumens per watt for MX. Downside is the warmup time as you say. My 300 Watt Locator Short Arc lights off in a beautiful Violet hue then takes a good 30 seconds to be bright and another 15 to reach max. Do you have that prototype ballast and bulb? I'd buy it off you if you'd part with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    Probably a Mercury Xenon lamp? They are very bright for the power level vs Xenon. Xenon in the 35-40 Lumens per watt and I think 110 to 115 Lumens per watt for MX. Downside is the warmup time as you say. My 300 Watt Locator Short Arc lights off in a beautiful Violet hue then takes a good 30 seconds to be bright and another 15 to reach max. Do you have that prototype ballast and bulb? I'd buy it off you if you'd part with it.
    I'd have to discuss with my engineer.
    It took at least 45 seconds if not even 1 minute to reach full brightness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    I'd have to discuss with my engineer.
    It took at least 45 seconds if not even 1 minute to reach full brightness.
    Wouldn't matter to me. In line with the Locator warm up time.
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    Strictly for completeness - all Polarion lights ship from the USA and are serviced in Connecticut. In terms of weight, we do stand corrected. The PH50D is marginally lighter at 1.8 kg.

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    What are the typical ranges for the LV70 and PH50D lights ?

    EDIT: So ph50D is 1.5 km according to the website. What about the LV70?

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    As you noted, the Polarion PH50D range is basically 1 mile. That said, actual results will depend on atmospheric conditions (particles in air, rain, dust, etc). I always remind people that 1 mile is a long way away. Any light effectiveness at that kind of distance will depend on the size of the object being lit. To give a simple example: on the water, I can illuminate a ship a mile away. The object will be easily resolved by my eyes, without magnification. If I illuminate a phone case at the same distance, my eyes will not be able to resolve without using binoculars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smood View Post
    What are the typical ranges for the XV-LX70 and PH50D lights ?
    EDIT: So ph50D is 1.5 km according to the website. What about the XV-LX70?
    At 70W should run about 1.4 Miles (well over 2 km ), at 50W about 1.1-1.2 Miles (about 1.8 km) Our Electro-formed reflector is larger and well optimized.

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    So what is the most powerful HID you can buy? In english please

    Is it the Lemax SP 70? The lemax looks like a laser, not much use. What is this superhead mod? the thread has no replies for a while.

    Been looking for something with high output (10,000lumens+) & high throw (4km). Looks like nothing going. LED is catching up & getting decent runtimes...few more years & LED might be the go i rekon.

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    For Polarion's commercial lights: 50 W, 4500 lumens, = about 1.5 km.

    I will let XeRay elaborate on the Lemax line but a simple search leads to: LX50, LX70 and LX70 Superpower. I think that the LX70 Superpower comes close to your specification throw if not flux.

    LED lights are improving but they will never "match" HID lights. Different product, different application. LED are mono-chromatic side emitters. HID are wide-band point sources.

    In plain English: LED lights top out in the 500-meter range, with lots of side losses. HID lights easily top 1000 meters and the same light can be filtered to work in IR, red, amber, green and UV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polarion-Sparetech2 View Post
    For Polarion's commercial lights: 50 W, 4500 lumens, = about 1.5 km.

    I will let XeRay elaborate on the Lemax line but a simple search leads to: LX50, LX70 and LX70 Superpower. I think that the LX70 Superpower comes close to your specification throw if not flux.

    LED lights are improving but they will never "match" HID lights. Different product, different application. LED are mono-chromatic side emitters. HID are wide-band point sources.

    In plain English: LED lights top out in the 500-meter range, with lots of side losses. HID lights easily top 1000 meters and the same light can be filtered to work in IR, red, amber, green and UV.
    Sounds to me like you haven't spent any time looking at recent LED advances, or your just being disingenuous and trying hard to sell Polarion, as what you claim is categorically and demonstrably false. The claim that "LED's will never match HID" is stunningly bold and erroneous.

    Purely on throw and illuminating a target at range, the ACEBEAM K75, with it's tested and validated 1.5mil legitimate candela rating (2500meters), will stomp all over anything in the Polarion lineup. I have no dog in the fight, but I do own a LEMAX LX50 (which throws just as far and outputs just as much light as anything in Polarion's lineup), and the Acebeam K75 as well. When it comes to purely throw distance and intensity of the beam, there is just no comparison at all.

    Furthermore, lights like the Astrolux MF05 should have HID manufacturers sweating. And we haven't even gotten into the 2mil plus candela pocket LEP's yet.

    HID has it's place, and there are applications where it is still relevant. But when it comes to pure throw, the LUMINUS SBT-90 has really been a game changer. Just think where the next emitter will take us. I am new to HID, and love them, but their days are numbered.
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    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?468657-Can-LED-lights-now-throw-at-the-same-level-as-HID

    This thread discusses the performance comparables between high powered LED and HID searchlights.
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    Vinh from SkyLumen will soon have his hands on the Astrolux MF05 and, as with every other LED light, will be pushing even further than it's stock spec of 7500 lumens and 2.5 mil candela. With active cooling, it will be interesting to see how much of that 7500 lumens it can maintain.

    FWIW, I no doubt anticipate something extremely impressive coming from XeRay, their products and performance exceeds the best Polarion has to offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bush Rat View Post
    So what is the most powerful HID you can buy? In english please. Is it the Lemax SP 70? The lemax looks like a laser, not much use. What is this superhead mod? the thread has no replies for a while. Been looking for something with high output (10,000lumens+) & high throw (4km). Looks like nothing going. LED is catching up & getting decent runtimes...few more years & LED might be the go i rekon.
    Quote Originally Posted by DayofReckoning View Post
    FWIW, I no doubt anticipate something extremely impressive coming from XeRay, their products and performance exceeds the best Polarion has to offer.
    Well you must be confusing the Lemax (XeVision) units with the Maxabeam, it has a "laser-like" beam of little practical use except for snipers and fun (wow) factor.
    The XeVision XeRay (Lemax) units are a VERY "different animal" than "laser-like" as you describe. Very use-able for search and rescue etc.
    Everyone here that's familiar with these units, will attest to these last 2 sentences and claims.

    We recently made a numbered limited edition (Late 2019) run of XeVision XeRay Ultra 85's dual wattage 40/85 output watts, at approximately 10,000 output lumens at the high 85 watt setting.
    There is one unit remaining available 5/10 (unit 5 out of 10 units), It has the standard 70 head with an option to buy the SuperPower head.
    The range with the standard 70 head (11.7 cm 4.5 inch diameter) is about 3+Km and about 4.5+Km with the SuperPower optional head (22 cm 8.5 inch diameter).
    These units can be run continuously at high output without dimming or overheating.
    They don't dim like LED does without having some very effective active cooling.

    Ultra 85 Thread and beam-shots threads below.

    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?453551-XeVision-ULTRA-85-Beamshots

    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...od-SIGN-UP-NOW
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    Quote Originally Posted by XeRay View Post
    Well you must be confusing the Lemax (XeVision) units with the Maxabeam, it has a "laser-like" beam of little practical use except for snipers and fun (wow) factor.
    The XeVision XeRay (Lemax) units are a VERY "different animal" than "laser-like" as you describe. Very use-able for search and rescue etc.
    Everyone here that's familiar with these units, will attest to these last 2 sentences and claims.

    We recently made a numbered limited edition (Late 2019) run of XeVision XeRay Ultra 85's dual wattage 40/85 output watts, at approximately 10,000 output lumens at the high 85 watt setting.
    There is one unit remaining available 5/10 (unit 5 out of 10 units), It has the standard 70 head with an option to buy the SuperPower head.
    The range with the standard 70 head (11.7 cm 4.5 inch diameter) is about 3+Km and about 4.5+Km with the SuperPower optional head (22 cm 8.5 inch diameter).
    These units can be run continuously at high output without dimming or overheating.
    They don't dim like LED does without having some very effective active cooling.

    Ultra 85 Thread and beam-shots threads below.

    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?453551-XeVision-ULTRA-85-Beamshots

    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...od-SIGN-UP-NOW
    That is certainly impressive. It's also impressive a sub $600 Chinese LED is starting to close in on the heels of that. Will be interesting to see how close it may come when pushed by SkyLumen.
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    I'm going to guess the mf05vn with the delens sbt90 will push 2.7 million cd slightly more then the stock of 2.5 million cd. I think it will compete nicely with the standard head version. Won't beat the superpower head but it should be able to keep up somewhat. And with how massive the mf05 host is heat will be a none issue. Vinh already stated his driver will be able to maintain turbo indefinitely. With in the next 10 years I think we see an led flashlight hit 4-5 miles of throw disregarding lep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    I'm going to guess the mf05vn with the delens sbt90 will push 2.7 million cd slightly more then the stock of 2.5 million cd. I think it will compete nicely with the standard head version. Won't beat the superpower head but it should be able to keep up somewhat. And with how massive the mf05 host is heat will be a none issue. Vinh already stated his driver will be able to maintain turbo indefinitely. With in the next 10 years I think we see an led flashlight hit 4-5 miles of throw disregarding lep.
    How are the LED's being kept cool enough, so that they can maintain full output for hours at a time ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    I'm going to guess the mf05vn with the delens sbt90 will push 2.7 million cd slightly more then the stock of 2.5 million cd. I think it will compete nicely with the standard head version. Won't beat the superpower head but it should be able to keep up somewhat. And with how massive the mf05 host is heat will be a none issue. Vinh already stated his driver will be able to maintain turbo indefinitely. With in the next 10 years I think we see an led flashlight hit 4-5 miles of throw disregarding lep.
    Objectively, Acebeam and their engineers are a notch above Astrolux (Astrolux is still good), and all others for that matter at this time, when it comes to pushing the boundaries, and their products have been the benchmark for pushing the cutting edge in lights for several years now. Imalent wins on paper, but the build quality, reliability, and QC are inferior. I'm 100% certain Acebeam has a light on the drawing boards that's going to outperform the MF05.

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    How are the LED's being kept cool enough, so that they can maintain full output for hours at a time ??
    By a combination of sheer mass and active cooling. Imalent also has lights with internal PC style cooling fans, that, done properly, will provide even greater cooling ability than the setup Astrolux is using here.

    Photo courtesy of 1Lumen


    Also note this light uses a battery configuration of 8X18650 cells, which is vastly superior to ANY HID on the market.
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    Unless they have a very efficient way to directly pull the heat away from the base of the LED's themselves, just massive heatsink fins and fans won't do it.
    The LED(s) will still get WAY TOO HOT.
    Its all about the "Delta T" between the base of the LED(s) and its thermal connection to heatsink medium. The "Delta T" had better be very large for this to work reliably.
    Its not like those fins are directly connected to the back of the LED's.
    Moving the heat from the LED's to the heatsink very effectively is not easily accomplished.
    lots of mass only helps in the short term.

    Shipping of a battery package that large, in total capacity can be a big (legal and safety) issue from overseas. Unless of course they lie in the shipping documents, or only sell it not including any batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DayofReckoning View Post
    Objectively, Acebeam and their engineers are a notch above Astrolux (Astrolux is still good), and all others for that matter at this time, when it comes to pushing the boundaries, and their products have been the benchmark for pushing the cutting edge in lights for several years now. Imalent wins on paper, but the build quality, reliability, and QC are inferior. I'm 100% certain Acebeam has a light on the drawing boards that's going to outperform the MF05.



    By a combination of sheer mass and active cooling. Imalent also has lights with internal PC style cooling fans, that, done properly, will provide even greater cooling ability than the setup Astrolux is using here.

    Photo courtesy of 1Lumen


    Also note this light uses a battery configuration of 8X18650 cells, which is vastly superior to ANY HID on the market.
    That cooling fan handle is a perfect example of "Mickey Mouse" engineering and implementation. I had the 60,000 Lumen from Imalent or a competitor that had that handle, can't remember who, and dumped it about 2 weeks later.
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    Hoping to see SUREFIRE come out with several more new high end military grade HID Lights to go with the Arc28C and the Hellfighter5....
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