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    Quote Originally Posted by masofshad View Post
    Can't quite make out from the pictures but is it fair to assume this flashlight will need button top cells?

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    Thanks freeme!

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    Accessories have been added now.


    Get from here: https://www.1thedeals.com/link/3/fir...FF_accessories
    Coupon: NDNA (will work on both FF5 and accessories.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeme View Post
    Accessories have been added now.


    Get from here: https://www.1thedeals.com/link/3/fir...FF_accessories
    Coupon: NDNA (will work on both FF5 and accessories.)
    Awesome just ordered a spare bulb, a diffuser, a spare battery carrier and a spare lens.
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    Thank you for your support!
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    Awesome just ordered a spare bulb, a diffuser, a spare battery carrier and a spare lens.

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    Does anyone know the recommended batteries to use with the fire fox ff5 or would any set of high drains suffice?
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    From the looks in the pic of the battery pack, I think any flat top unprotected high-drain cells will work. I'm afraid button tops or protected cells might be too long for the battery carrier.


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    Does anyone know the recommended batteries to use with the fire fox ff5 or would any set of high drains suffice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    From the looks in the pic of the battery pack, I think any flat top unprotected high-drain cells will work. I'm afraid button tops or protected cells might be too long for the battery carrier.
    I have used both types in the FF3 and FF4. I think it will mainly depend on how in or out of specs a particular battery is. I run into that all the time. I would say 3500mAh protected button tops may be a no go. I've run IMR button tops in both lights and they fit perfectly. I have a set of 3400mAh flat top protected cells that also fit fine.
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    Has anyone determined if the "100 Watt" FF5 is 100 Watts at the lamp or is it say....75 Watts at the lamp with a 25% overhead loss in powering all the ballast components? 100 Watts / 14.8 Volts = 6.75 Amps plus Start and Boost requirements. Or 125 Watts / 14.8 = 8.45 Amps plus start and boost requirements. I kind of doubt it is 125 Watts but would be pleasantly surprised. Maybe we should be looking at 20 Amp continuous rate capable cells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    Has anyone determined if the "100 Watt" FF5 is 100 Watts at the lamp or is it say....75 Watts at the lamp with a 25% overhead loss in powering all the ballast components? 100 Watts / 14.8 Volts = 6.75 Amps plus Start and Boost requirements. Or 125 Watts / 14.8 = 8.45 Amps plus start and boost requirements. I kind of doubt it is 125 Watts but would be pleasantly surprised. Maybe we should be looking at 20 Amp continuous rate capable cells.
    Would you somehow be able to tell if it is 75 or 100w at the bulb once you get it in hand? I know a lot about led but nothing at all about hid.
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    Not using the batteries and carrier. I can probably use my programmable DC power supply to get it done. It looks like the front of the carrier has both the POS and NEG contacts. So I'd feed 14.8 VDC, which is 3.7 Volts Per Cell - Nominal power from the supply to the appropriate contacts on the head and the supply will read Voltage and current. Volts X's Amps will give power used by the entire light. From that number, we can deduce what the "100 Watt" mfg figure is describing - Total power or power to the lamp. If the number is 120 - 130 Watts, then we can deduce that there's close to 100 Watts to the lamp. If the number is 100, then subtract btw 20 and 25% and that will be power to the lamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    Not using the batteries and carrier. I can probably use my programmable DC power supply to get it done. It looks like the front of the carrier has both the POS and NEG contacts. So I'd feed 14.8 VDC, which is 3.7 Volts Per Cell - Nominal power from the supply to the appropriate contacts on the head and the supply will read Voltage and current. Volts X's Amps will give power used by the entire light. From that number, we can deduce what the "100 Watt" mfg figure is describing - Total power or power to the lamp. If the number is 120 - 130 Watts, then we can deduce that there's close to 100 Watts to the lamp. If the number is 100, then subtract btw 20 and 25% and that will be power to the lamp.
    I found post of the FF5 on a german flashlight form. One member there did some calculations based on total runtime on high and measured the voltage of the batteries, did a bit of math and found that the power draw from the batteries equaled to 100w. So it doesn't look like it's 100w to the lamp, but to the ballast. It'd be interesting to see if you're able to test with your power supply and see if it agrees with his method.

    The only assumption he made was that the resting voltage of the batteries at the end of the test is 3.0v and not 2.5v. This was because at the end of the test, his first measurement of the batteries showed 2.5v, but he took one battery out, put it back, and remeasured the voltage and it showed 3.0v.

    Below is through Google Translate so take it for what it is. :

    All in all, the lamp has 4 x 18650, fully charged, 1144 seconds or 19 minutes in the turbo ....... along with 4 short breaks! The batteries are Sony VTC6 and I assume that this is about 3,000 mah, there is no information on baidu that according to the "test" gives up to 9,000 mWh with a cut-off of 2.5 volts , but since they still have 3, I assume 0 volts of 8,000 mWh for this case (in science you often have to make an assumption somewhere if you don't have all the data) ..... and that in theory results in a "consumption" of 4 x 8 Wh = 32 Wh in 1144 seconds and that is again equal to the maximum output of the FF5 HID lamp of 1 00 watts or better said = 32 x 3600 seconds / 1144 seconds. and the calculation is correct! (in theory) ..... there is nothing better than science because it never lies!
    The less good thing is that the batteries have to deliver a current of P = UxI or P / U = I = 100 / {4 x 3.7} = 6.8 Ampere in series ...... and then 4 x 18650s are a little bit less for a HID lamp in "this power class"
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    HID bulbs have arrived at Neal's warehouse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by freeme View Post
    HID bulbs have arrived at Neal's warehouse.

    someone needs to make a tutorial on how to replace the bulb if need be. Seams like it would be quite a delicate operation. ill have two spare bulbs when they arrive but i wouldn't know how to replace it. Id have a lot more confidence in replacing the bulb if there was a nice step by step video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    someone needs to make a tutorial on how to replace the bulb if need be. Seams like it would be quite a delicate operation. ill have two spare bulbs when they arrive but i wouldn't know how to replace it. Id have a lot more confidence in replacing the bulb if there was a nice step by step video.
    Would also be nice to know if they'll work in the FF4 or FF3 as well.
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    Bulbs without the ceramic and wires installed are virtually useless... They did begin selling them correctly at the end of the FFIV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lips View Post
    Bulbs without the ceramic and wires installed are virtually useless... They did begin selling them correctly at the end of the FFIV
    Yea, I was hesitant to order any right now. Maybe they can put a rebuild kit together to sell instead.
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    Neal has made a request for a video demo from FF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex1234 View Post
    someone needs to make a tutorial on how to replace the bulb if need be. Seams like it would be quite a delicate operation. ill have two spare bulbs when they arrive but i wouldn't know how to replace it. Id have a lot more confidence in replacing the bulb if there was a nice step by step video.

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    I am total noob for HID flashlight or automotive headlights (third party HID XENONs are illegal for our roads). Please enlighten me why the missing parts are critical for the build?
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    Bulbs without the ceramic and wires installed are virtually useless... They did begin selling them correctly at the end of the FFIV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lips View Post
    Bulbs without the ceramic and wires installed are virtually useless... They did begin selling them correctly at the end of the FFIV
    I just spent $40 a few weeks ago on two extra bulbs. I just received them. There is no ceramic on them. I really hope theirs a away to install them because if not i just wasted $40. Why would Fire Fox sell just the bulbs like this if they are useless? I am kinda confused.
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    tatasal has posted a comparative beamshot comparing FF5, BLF GT, BLF GT90 and BLF GT94 at another location, and it also was linked on the German forum, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richbuff View Post
    tatasal has posted a comparative beamshot comparing FF5, BLF GT, BLF GT90 and BLF GT94 at another location, and it also was linked on the German forum, too.
    Where do i find these beamshots?
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    Default Re: FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight

    Could be this clip from Nealsgadgets channel?


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    Where do i find these beamshots?

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