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    FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight





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    Product name: Fire-Foxes FF5 100w 10000LM HID Flashlight
    Brand: Fire-Foxes
    Model: FF5
    Startup time: 5 seconds
    Color temperature: 4300K,6000K
    Material: 6061 aluminum
    Output power: High:100w / Low: 42w
    Waterproof: IPX7,IP67
    Switch Location: Tail and side switch
    Distance 2000m
    Reflector: SMO
    Battery: 4x18650 unprotected batteries(Not Included)
    Weight: 750g (battery not included)
    Size: 200 mm (length) x 49 mm(tube) x95 mm(head)
    Last edited by freeme; 07-29-2020 at 10:50 AM.

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    Default Re: FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight

    Any Warranty information?

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    I'm assuming the 6500k bulb is a tinted bulb and thus would have slightly less output?
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    Hmm, it doesn't look tinted from the product pic.

    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    I'm assuming the 6500k bulb is a tinted bulb and thus would have slightly less output?

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    I will find out for you.
    Quote Originally Posted by DayofReckoning View Post
    Any Warranty information?

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    Is the product pic the 4300k version or the 6500k version? HID bulbs naturally run in the 4000k to 4500k range due to the composition of the elements used in the bulb. Almost all HID bulbs that are advertised as having a higher color temp is because the bulb is tinted blue to artificially give it a cooler color but will reduce output. Unless if something else is happening that I'm not aware of that gives us the two different color temp options.

    I'm not trying to discredit the product or anything. I'm already contemplating on getting one. I just wanted clarification.



    Quote Originally Posted by freeme View Post
    Hmm, it doesn't look tinted from the product pic.
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    Default Re: FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight

    Few if any HID lamps are actually tinted blue. They burn from 3000K to 10,000K and higher temps based on the composition of gasses and metal salts used in filling the lamp.
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    I guess I was going by my knowledge of automotive HIDs. It still would be nice to know how the difference in color temps are achieved in this application.

    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    Few if any HID lamps are actually tinted blue. They burn from 3000K to 10,000K and higher temps based on the composition of gasses and metal salts used in filling the lamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    I guess I was going by my knowledge of automotive HIDs. It still would be nice to know how the difference in color temps are achieved in this application.
    By how hard the lamp is being driven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DayofReckoning View Post
    By how hard the lamp is being driven.
    Is that why they are listing the color temp as 4300k/6500k? If you go to the order page, it let's you choose the color temp, so that's a bit confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    I guess I was going by my knowledge of automotive HIDs. It still would be nice to know how the difference in color temps are achieved in this application.
    IIRC, the two color temps are listed in association with the two different power levels. On low it will burn at one and on high, being very overdriven, it will burn at the other color temp. I do not exactly remember which is which. Xeray always corrects me so it must be contrary to what I would think it would do. If, in fact, they are offering two color temp choices, then forget what I just said in this case. But being overdriven will affect color temp in any HID lamp.

    So a given lamp will burn at the color temp the mfg specifies at the power level the mfg designs into the light based on the gases composition. If you overdrive that same lamp, it's burn color will change due to the higher power level effect on the gas composition.

    Whereas, they can manufacture lamp such-n-such and fill it to burn at 4300 or fill it differently to burn at 5500 or fill it differently to burn at 6500 or any color they want based on gas composition. I believe fill pressure may also have a bearing on color temp. Or it may just affect Volts/Amps at the lamp.
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    Thanks for the lesson. Like I mentioned before, my only experience with HID is in the automotive world and all stock HID bulbs are rated around the 4300k temp and nearly all higher temp bulbs were tinted blue. I guess it’s easier and cheaper to tint an bulb than it is to change up the chemistry.

    Not to mention that Neals Gadgets gives an option to choose the color temp when you order the light. That just added to my confusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    IIRC, the two color temps are listed in association with the two different power levels. On low it will burn at one and on high, being very overdriven, it will burn at the other color temp. I do not exactly remember which is which. Xeray always corrects me so it must be contrary to what I would think it would do. If, in fact, they are offering two color temp choices, then forget what I just said in this case. But being overdriven will affect color temp in any HID lamp.

    So a given lamp will burn at the color temp the mfg specifies at the power level the mfg designs into the light based on the gases composition. If you overdrive that same lamp, it's burn color will change due to the higher power level effect on the gas composition.

    Whereas, they can manufacture lamp such-n-such and fill it to burn at 4300 or fill it differently to burn at 5500 or fill it differently to burn at 6500 or any color they want based on gas composition. I believe fill pressure may also have a bearing on color temp. Or it may just affect Volts/Amps at the lamp.
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    @freeme. Do you know if the light as low voltage protection for the cells?


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    12 months under Nealsgadgets store.
    Quote Originally Posted by DayofReckoning View Post
    Any Warranty information?
    About 9A.
    Quote Originally Posted by DayofReckoning View Post
    By how hard the lamp is being driven.

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    Correction on the tint temperature for previous info. FF5 comes with 4300K and 6000K option. I will ask for a 6000K bulb image when it is ready. Fire-Foxes also confirmed that 4300K version will be brighter than 6000K model.
    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    Is the product pic the 4300k version or the 6500k version? HID bulbs naturally run in the 4000k to 4500k range due to the composition of the elements used in the bulb. Almost all HID bulbs that are advertised as having a higher color temp is because the bulb is tinted blue to artificially give it a cooler color but will reduce output. Unless if something else is happening that I'm not aware of that gives us the two different color temp options.

    I'm not trying to discredit the product or anything. I'm already contemplating on getting one. I just wanted clarification.
    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    Is that why they are listing the color temp as 4300k/6500k? If you go to the order page, it let's you choose the color temp, so that's a bit confusing.
    I thought it is a fairly achievable for all modern lights right now? Haha. I will double confirm again.
    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    @freeme. Do you know if the light as low voltage protection for the cells?


    Thanks!
    Last edited by freeme; 07-17-2020 at 01:46 PM.

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    Ordered one. Thanks for the coupon code!
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    Default Re: FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight

    I don't see an option to order a spare battery carrier.
    ampdude

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    Thank you for the support!
    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    Ordered one. Thanks for the coupon code!
    Is it a replacement for your older light?
    Quote Originally Posted by ampdude View Post
    I don't see an option to order a spare battery carrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeme View Post


    Is it a replacement for your older light?
    No, I saw the information that the FF5 battery carrier is not compatible with the FF3 or FF4. I would like a spare FF5 battery carrier for convenience of operation. It's nice to have spare battery carriers loaded and ready to go. I have some spares for my Surefire M6's. And knowing I have a spare FF5 carrier if one fails is good as well. Maybe more than one spare.
    ampdude

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    It should be listed soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by ampdude View Post
    No, I saw the information that the FF5 battery carrier is not compatible with the FF3 or FF4. I would like a spare FF5 battery carrier for convenience of operation. It's nice to have spare battery carriers loaded and ready to go. I have some spares for my Surefire M6's. And knowing I have a spare FF5 carrier if one fails is good as well. Maybe more than one spare.

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    4300K stock is IN!


    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    Ordered one. Thanks for the coupon code!

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    Woohoo!! Can’t wait!
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    Default Re: FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight

    The reflector looks a bit "satinized" as opposed to SMO or is it just the photo?
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    Here is a side view photo provided by F-F manufacturer.



    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    The reflector looks a bit "satinized" as opposed to SMO or is it just the photo?

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    Nealsgadgets boss took couple of FF5(CW) a few hours ago. Orders will be shipped out by this weekend.





    Quote Originally Posted by badtziscool View Post
    Woohoo!! Can’t wait!
    Last edited by freeme; 07-24-2020 at 12:46 PM.

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    Default Re: FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight

    Just the 4300K's are in and shipping, right? Not sure what the "(cw)" meant in your above post. I ordered a 6500K
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    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    Just the 4300K's are in and shipping, right? Not sure what the "(cw)" meant in your above post. I ordered a 6500K
    CW means Cool White in regards to tint. I ordered the 4300k version as I'm worried the 6500k will be too blue. Also 4300k bulbs are usually brighter so i like that.
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    Default Re: FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight

    That's what I wasn't understanding. He mentioned the 4300K were in and would ship. No mention of the 6500's in that post. Then it a later post it sounds like the 6500K's are in because someone at Neils took some to play with so they must be in too?

    Just trying to get a sense if the 6500's will ship at the same time as the 4300's. I'm not quite sure but I thought HID Lumens per Watt peaked between 5000 and 5500K. I remember my FF3 and FF4, 4300K's had, to my eyes, a very pinkish hue that I didn't like. I love the slightly Blue hue of my Xenon Short Arcs so 6500 is pleasing to my eyes.
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    Can't quite make out from the pictures but is it fair to assume this flashlight will need button top cells?

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    Default Re: FIRE-FOXES FF5 XENON HID 10000lm 2000m Thrower Searchlight Flashlight

    Quote Originally Posted by BVH View Post
    That's what I wasn't understanding. He mentioned the 4300K were in and would ship. No mention of the 6500's in that post. Then it a later post it sounds like the 6500K's are in because someone at Neils took some to play with so they must be in too?

    Just trying to get a sense if the 6500's will ship at the same time as the 4300's. I'm not quite sure but I thought HID Lumens per Watt peaked between 5000 and 5500K. I remember my FF3 and FF4, 4300K's had, to my eyes, a very pinkish hue that I didn't like. I love the slightly Blue hue of my Xenon Short Arcs so 6500 is pleasing to my eyes.
    Might just do the cpf thing and get both versions.
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