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    Quote Originally Posted by BigusLightus View Post
    Just read the warranty on the Mag website. It is only tens years and does not include the LED! So I guess they warranty the aluminum tube, spring and switch?
    When I've poked around sufficiently on various flashlight manufacturer websites, I've found that most (almost all) warranties (independent of duration) have similar 'exclusions'. Off hand, I believe my only lights with warranties that do not have such exclusions for specific parts or types of parts are my ASP lights (which are also 'lifetime' duration).

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    Pelican went from "guarenteed against anything except 5 year olds and bear attacks" to "lifetime against breakage or defects excluding lamp and batteries".

    Streamlight offers lifetime against "defects" except for batteries, bulbs, normal wear and abuse. Electronics and switches have a 2 year warranty.

    My Energizer Hard Case is warrantied "for the life of the product"……well the day it breaks was the end of it's life? Exclusions are normal wear or abuse.

    SureFire says if you purchase a light from them they will determine if the light is free from defects or workmanship during your lifetime. Switches not included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Pelican went from "guarenteed against anything except 5 year olds and bear attacks" to "lifetime against breakage or defects excluding lamp and batteries".

    Streamlight offers lifetime against "defects" except for batteries, bulbs, normal wear and abuse. Electronics and switches have a 2 year warranty.

    My Energizer Hard Case is warrantied "for the life of the product"……well the day it breaks was the end of it's life? Exclusions are normal wear or abuse.

    SureFire says if you purchase a light from them they will determine if the light is free from defects or workmanship during your lifetime. Switches not included.
    Yeah, 'normal wear / abuse / misuse' is practically a universal clause, which is why I left that out and referred to 'specific parts and types of parts'. That (along with duration) is where I see difference(s), and exclusions some might not ordinarily expect to see. Which others that you're aware of (besides the ASPs I mentioned) don't exclude 'specific parts or types of parts', and are they also lifetime duration? If anyone knows of some, I'd like to know that info, as I do find it interesting. I could've missed some last time I looked around. I'm not knocking anyone's policy and that's for the buyer to judge, I'd just like to know for my own info. And BTW, I don't consider replaceable cells / batteries to be at issue, and I sort of exclude those from consideration. Typical examples of the types of parts I'm referring to often include (but are not necessarily limited to) 'LEDs', 'electronic parts / electronics', 'switches', etc. Most of the manufacturers I know of include one or more of those. It sounds like your Energizer might be another exception! (or not). Actually, I guess my original point was really.....Yeah, Maglite excludes a part or two, but so does almost everyone else!
    Last edited by aznsx; 02-26-2021 at 08:47 PM.

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    Oh I agree AZ.
    Used to be a time when many of the big players had practically anything goes warranties where now they word-smith things to where you're not even sure what it means anymore.
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    I just got a Maglite ml25lt 2C that I ordered from Amazon. It came in a small box (about the size of the light) vs the blister pack that was pictured on Amazon. Is that normal?

    But my major concern is when I twist it on and adjust to a tighter hot spot, the threads on the head get loose and rattle when carrying the flashlight. I am so used to maglites having a consistent feel to the twisting action that this caught me by surprise and I don't like it. Is this a quality control issue or something else like evidence of a fake?

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    Default Re: Will I turn into a Maglite fan once again?

    On the otherhand, I just found a pair of ML50L 4C Mags for $20 each. I'm very happy with that deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revscott View Post
    I just got a Maglite ml25lt 2C that I ordered from Amazon. It came in a small box (about the size of the light) vs the blister pack that was pictured on Amazon. Is that normal?

    But my major concern is when I twist it on and adjust to a tighter hot spot, the threads on the head get loose and rattle when carrying the flashlight. I am so used to maglites having a consistent feel to the twisting action that this caught me by surprise and I don't like it. Is this a quality control issue or something else like evidence of a fake?
    It shouldn't rattle. I would send it back for an exchange. I have never heard of fake ML25's, but anything is possible. Blister packs are the most common, but Mag does have boxes as an option for most of their lights.

    BTW a little super lube grease or petroleum jelly on new Mag threads makes them feel silky smooth and may take up a tiny bit of play if it exists, but again the head should not rattle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigusLightus View Post
    On the otherhand, I just found a pair of ML50L 4C Mags for $20 each. I'm very happy with that deal.

    Sounds like a really good deal. I assume you meant 2C or 3C unless they started making 4C ML50's?

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    There is some resistance (like I have felt on other maglites) when first turning the head but there is a noticeable point when the resistance stops and the turning is very loose. This happens right as the hot spot is getting tight at a distance.

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    Anyone tested or know of someone who tested the runtimes for a ml25lt using two AA Eneloops in C adapters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by revscott View Post
    Anyone tested or know of someone who tested the runtimes for a ml25lt using two AA Eneloops in C adapters?

    I got just under 2 1/2 hrs with the multi mode 2C running eneloops.

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    I'm working on a year and a half of occasional use with eneloops and still have hi and lo.

    There is definite flop on the 2nd gen ML25 after turning it about a half turn or more that I do not have on my first gen. When twisting the head off the 2nd gen it puts up a lot less resistance as well. Maglite used a thinner diameter o'ring for the gen 2.

    Last edited by bykfixer; 02-28-2021 at 07:32 AM.
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    bykfixer, when you say flop are you referring to movement within the threads while the light is on? Does the head rattle a bit when you shake it while it's on and focused with a tight hot spot? I am trying to figure out if I want to go through the trouble of an exchange with maglite. If the replacement they send me will only be marginally better or potentially marginally worse, I don't want to hassle with it. I am asking about the 2nd Gen ML25LT.
    Last edited by revscott; 02-28-2021 at 03:08 PM.

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    Just checked my three ML25's, an old 2C, 3C and a newer 2 mode 2C - seems like the O ring on the newer 2 mode 2C is slightly thicker than the older 2 and 3C's (opposite of Byk's). O ring thickness may play a roll, but none of my ML25's rattle or feel loose, though I do keep the threads and O rings lubed. All 3 of my ML25's go from off to fully focused in about a quarter turn of the head, so there is not a lot of travel on the threads, but even when I turn the heads out several full turns with the beams completely defocused, there is no looseness/play much less rattle.


    OK after playing around with these, I think that the length of the cells being used may play a bigger roll than variation in the O rings. I noticed that I was able to get some play with the heads turned all the way out about 1 thread from the very end when the head is about to screw off completely. If you are using eneloop AA's in adapters they may be a little too long for your light. AA's are actually a little longer than C cells by about 0.5 mm per cell and NiMH's tend to run a little longer than alkalines. When I used to use AA eneloops, it was sometimes difficult to screw the tail cap on because the eneloop AA's were a bit longer than the usual alkaline C's (BTW twisting the head a couple turns in to the on position makes it easier to get the tail cap on and cinched down for good contact to the body of the light). I eliminated this problem with my 3D printed 18650 and 21700 adapters by designing them to be close to the minimum length for C cell alkalines so that the tail caps are easy to screw on.
    Last edited by xxo; 02-28-2021 at 03:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revscott View Post
    bykfixer, when you say flop are you referring to movement within the threads while the light is on? Does the head rattle a bit when you shake it while it's on and focused with a tight hot spot? I am trying to figure out if I want to go through the trouble of an exchange with maglite. If the replacement they send me will only be marginally better or potentially marginally worse, I don't want to hassle with it. I am asking about the 2nd Gen ML25LT.
    If I shake it, yes it rattles some, yes. The one in the photo. My other gen 2 are hit and miss for that. I have a few.
    For kicks and giggles I tried wrapping telfon tape 2 wraps thick just now on the red one in the photo above and wobble is completely gone. Neeeeeeat!!
    Everybody should have at least one roll of teflon tape (plumbers tape) in their home along with kite string and duct tape. So if you don't it's time to head to a hardware store and solve that issue……
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    bykfixer, did you wrap the entire threaded section with the teflon tape? Was the turning operation still smooth? Did you add lube on top of the teflon tape?

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    Two wraps the width of the tape. Operation feels like the gray one in the photo above. No lube.
    The flashlight was a St Valentine gift to Mrs Fixer.


    Yup, I'm a Maglite fan, yes.


    So is my bird we call Maglite head or maggy for short.
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    Has anyone had issues with mode changing on the 2nd gen ml25lt? I have been trying the eneloops with c adapters and I have to turn off/on several times to get the high mode selected.

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    Find the beam you like and try using the tailcap for on/off.

    Once I figured out I could use the tailcap for on/off I stopped using the front end for that. I found that trying to find low using the front end was not as consistant for me as using the tailcap. Maybe others can chime in with their method of changing settings.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 03-01-2021 at 11:29 AM.
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    The mode change works every time with alkaline C batteries and sporadically with the eneloops and c adapters. I had taken the eneloops straight out of the package and put them in the flashlight. I am charging them now to make sure that wasn't the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by revscott View Post
    The mode change works every time with alkaline C batteries and sporadically with the eneloops and c adapters. I had taken the eneloops straight out of the package and put them in the flashlight. I am charging them now to make sure that wasn't the issue.
    Reading this thread, it seems that battery length is frequently the problem with the ml25lt. Eneloops are slightly longer than alkaline AA or C cells.
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    I've never had a problem with accessing the low mode, though you do need to be quick. I usually give a twist just enough to come on then a quick twist off/back on to get to low. If you are too slow it times out.

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    Thats why I use the tailcap xx. I take too long twisting it at the front end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Thats why I use the tailcap xx. I take too long twisting it at the front end.

    I usually turn it on with one hand - haven't figured out how to twist the tail cap and hold the light to do that.

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    [QUOTE=bykfixer;5444939]
    Two wraps the width of the tape. Operation feels like the gray one in the photo above. No lube.
    The flashlight was a St Valentine gift to Mrs Fixer.

    She's a keeper!

    I tried to take the bezel off my new ML300L to lube the threads and I don't think it was designed to be removed. I hope I didn't damage the indent...

    The plumbers tape sounds like a solution to the head wobble on my Hound Dog bezel! Brilliant solution, thanks for sharing.

    kelmo
    Last edited by kelmo; 03-01-2021 at 05:08 PM.

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    (Don Adams Maxwell Smart voice) "The old turn the twisty head Maglite on at the front with one hand trick."
    I can do it one handed but definitely not change settings one handed at the front end. However, holding the light head down and using my thumb and forefinger to loosen/tighten the tailcap I can just fine. Lubing the threads helps.

    Last edited by bykfixer; 03-01-2021 at 05:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    (Don Adams Maxwell Smart voice) "The old turn the twisty head Maglite on at the front with one hand trick."
    I can do it one handed but definitely not change settings one handed at the front end. However, holding the light head down and using my thumb and forefinger to loosen/tighten the tailcap I can just fine. Lubing the threads helps.


    Cool! I figured that you had a way of doing it.

    first thing I do when I get a new Mag is lube the threads, tail cap. head and bezel ring. I hate the dry squeaky threads as they come from the factory.
    Last edited by xxo; 03-01-2021 at 05:42 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelmo View Post
    I tried to take the bezel off my new ML300L to lube the threads and I don't think it was designed to be removed. I hope I didn't damage the indent...

    It's actually pretty easy, first you take off the bezel ring, than the rest of the head can be gently pushed down away from the focus ring backwards towards the barrel of the light. The head will only drop down so far before it is stopped by a retaining ring. Normally there is no need to disassemble any further than that to lube the threads.

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    Cool!
    The old slide the bell head down the barrel like the ML100 trick…
    ML50 candle mode!! Heck yeah.

    I use either Honda Shin Etsu silicone grease or vasoline for Maglites. The Shin Etsu was used on old rubber gaskets and moldings on my Honda cars and a little bit went a long ways. I did 3 cars and a van with it and still have about half of the 8oz tube. It can be found in generic form these days for about 60% the price of the Honda tube I bought years ago. Also great at keeping car doors from freezing shut in really cold climates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Cool!
    The old slide the bell head down the barrel like the ML100 trick…
    ML50 candle mode!! Heck yeah.

    I use either Honda Shin Etsu silicone grease or vasoline for Maglites. The Shin Etsu was used on old rubber gaskets and moldings on my Honda cars and a little bit went a long ways. I did 3 cars and a van with it and still have about half of the 8oz tube. It can be found in generic form these days for about 60% the price of the Honda tube I bought years ago. Also great at keeping car doors from freezing shut in really cold climates.

    I usually use petroleum jelly as that is what Mag recommended for years. I think they also recommend super lube now. I have used silicone a few times, but I never use random lubricants because I don't know if they will damage the O rings.

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