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    Each year about this time I celebrate March Magness by adding to the Maglite quiver. It started the March that the ML25 was available. Many were acquired at WalMarts or Home Depot since Maglite web site had things priced much higher. One year the Maglite site did not have the 2 speed 2D classic yet so I bought that at Grainger.

    This years March Magness was celebrated in Nov/Dec 2020 during the 30% off black friday sale and 25% off during the 25 days of Christmas sale. So last evening while lurking the site there just wasn't much I wanted that I don't already have. Realizing I no longer have a black gen 2 ML25, I did contemplate pulling the trigger on one of those and perhaps a 127 lumen aa minimag with the HALO logo on it, but I emptied the cart and went to bed instead.

    I probably will end up grabbing that minimag at some point. 127 lumens with 6k+ cd sounds good to me.
    John 3:16

  2. #482

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    The other night, I dug out my old 77 lumen MM and set it up as a lantern with a 3D printed base and defiuser. The flashing beacon mode should work real well for marking the location of a camp site or the like.

  3. #483

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    That's pretty cool double x

    It was actually a NASAR logo on the minimag. National Search and Rescue. I bought that and a digital camo minimag holster combo that are both 127 lumens with nearly 7k candela. And while at it I tossed in a NASAR solitaire. I just prefer to buy lights that a portion of the proceeds goes to a charity.

    Btw the SW30 code did not work. It seems this round it only works for the long run ML300.
    So March Magness continued for 2021.
    John 3:16

  4. #484

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    Quote Originally Posted by revscott View Post
    Has anyone had issues with mode changing on the 2nd gen ml25lt? I have been trying the eneloops with c adapters and I have to turn off/on several times to get the high mode selected.
    Quote Originally Posted by TwiceFuzed View Post
    I’m really enjoying my ML25LT when it has fresh batteries. Once the batteries drop down to 1.32 volts each or ~2.65 volts together, the lights do not want to turn on in high mode most of the time. It will reliably turn on, but it comes on either in low mode or sometimes it turns on with an output that is less than low mode. Cycling it from off to on a few times will usually get it to come on in high mode. It does this with both my Amazonbasics C rechargeable batteries and brand new AA eneloops in C adapters.

    I ran down a set of eneloops a tad until it started having the switching issue and then got it to turn on in high mode and let it run in high mode for around 2 hours until the batteries were almost completely discharged and it dimmed significantly. The batteries can clearly put out plenty of current to run the light. However, unless the batteries are fresh off the charger it is difficult to get the lights to turn on in high mode.

    Both of my brand new ML25LTs do this. Is anybody else having this issue?

  5. #485

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    I keep an ML25 fed by eneloops in the door of my truck and today at 40 degrees I tried it out to see if it would start on high. It did not but hi was available. Actually I'm ok with that.

    Edit: brought the ML25 inside and let it warm up a while. It still starts on low. It still has high available and I'm still ok with that.
    Now the one I have on a shelf fed by PowerX cells and the one I gave Mrs Fixer fed by Rayovac alkalines both work normal. Easily prompt high to low consistantly where the eneloop fed one does not prompt high to low and back consistantly but at times takes two or three tries to change the setting. I'll try some eneloop pro cells soon but the pro's are at 1.28/9 volts and the regular at 1.32 volts.
    End edit

    Next morning edit:
    Fresh off the charger at 1.52 volt regular eneloops were installed and it works normal again. No struggle with mode changes either. The eneloop pro cells are still charging. I stuck them on a charger last night but unplugged it about a half hour later. Now the pro cells have been in a pair of 1 cell lights I rarely use for 3+ years so at 1.28/9 volts that says a lot about how well they avoid self discharge. Both lights are direct drive so the eneloop pro were chosen for their more steady flow that means the lights dim less quickly.
    End next morning edit.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 03-07-2021 at 08:40 AM.
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    BF - I'm unfamiliar with this light, and a bit confused by all this, but when you get to root cause I hope you'll net this out for my simple mind, as it sounds 'disturbing' (in an interesting way:-) and I'd like to understand.

  7. #487

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    The ML25 is in essence a 2C sized minimag. They did a 3 cell one that's much like carrying a Stinger (pre-big head) size minimag. They came out in late 2016 and sold pretty well due to a $20/25 price tag at WalMart, Home Depot etc. Now while the flashlight world was crossing the 1000 lumen mark Maglite put out a sub-200 lumen light. But……it has a small LED so it throws very well. 25,000+ candella from 170 something lumens. It throws like a 7D Maglite.

    In 2019 Maglite upgraded the 2 cell version to have 192 lumens (w/28,000+ candela) and a low of around 40% give or take. Twist it on like a minimag and a quick twist for low. Now many here shy away from alkaline batteries so eneloop in C size adapters are popular. Some are saying theirs won't do the high mode with eneloops. Mine fed by eneloops was acting erratic. Now it had been riding in my truck door for 18 months or so without charging the batteries. It only gets used occasionaly and usually for short bursts. The other day I noticed mine was misbehaving in cold air so I let it warm up and same thing happened. After charging up my batteries it worked normal again.


    Top to bottom
    - aaa minimag LED
    - aa minimag LED
    - 2 cell ML25 LED
    - 3 cell ML25 LED (with Stinger Anti-roll)
    - Stinger LED (with Stinger ant-roll)

    Maglite also made an incan version of the ML25.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 03-08-2021 at 08:07 PM.
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  8. #488

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    Eneloops may be better than alkalines, but they are still not that great in the cold. In cold temps they lose power and go dead quick. Energizer L91 ultimate lithiums are the way to go for improved cold weather performance (down to – 40), but these are not rechargeable.

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    A digital camo 127 lumen version aa minimag arrived today along with what was labeled at Maglite as the 127 lumen version with the NASAR logo on it. (National Association for Search And Rescue.) Turns out the NASAR is an updated to either 272 or 332 as I can't really tell. It has Energizer Max batteries that expire May 2030 so I suppose it's the 332 lumen version.

    It's pretty obvious it's not the 127 lumen version by all that extra side lighting and when holding it lit side by side with the 127 lumen version the spot is pretty similar. To this point I had not really cared for those really bright minimags but today I found an appreciation for this 272/332 version but will probably prefer the 127 lumen version simply because it does not have all that bright side lighting. It's more like using a double a sized ML25.


    Also bought a NASAR clad Solitaire
    This was my annual March Magness purchase for 2021.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 03-16-2021 at 12:54 PM.
    John 3:16

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    Hey gang. I just saw on Maglite's website that they are offering 30% off their entire collection. Use code SPD30 for discount. I ordered a ML300L 4D model last month when they did that. It is quite a torch! Sale is for today only. Good hunting.

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    Hey all, did Maglite update/bump up the output of the ML50L 3-C cell model to 705 lumens?

    I came across one on the bay and purchased. I was searching for the ML50L 2 or 3 cell model specifically, noticed that many of the 3-C cell models are reasonably priced. I kept scrolling and scrolling and came across that one, was the only one that had these updated figures.

    I could tell by the pictures on the listing, that there are updated stickers on both sides of the clamshell with the updated figures.

    I went onto Mag's website but did not find this updated info. I hope it is not counterfeit

    I'll find out when it comes in.

    The info per the stickers of the 705 lumen model are:
    High: 9 Hours 45 Minutes
    Low: 43 Hours
    Eco: 184 Hours

    The specs on the 611 lumen models that I see on the packaging are:
    High: 16 Hours
    Low: 42 Hours
    Eco: 153 Hours

    I don't know how to decipher all of this info, other than the High is lower runtime than the 611 lumen model. It simply caught my attention due to the updated specs and curiosity. I know it wont be very noticeable but still cool to have an updated model if that is the case.

    I do already have a 611 lumen model (3-C) and a 490 lumen model (2-C).
    Last edited by rrego; 03-17-2021 at 01:50 AM.

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    The 3 cell ML50LX is shown as 705 lumens at Maglite. So it stands to reason the standard ML50L is now same.

    Nice score.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 03-17-2021 at 05:29 AM.
    John 3:16

  13. #493

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrego View Post
    Hey all, did Maglite update/bump up the output of the ML50L 3-C cell model to 705 lumens?
    Mag does this a lot it seems, silent updates.

    This could explain why prices for the ML50L 3-C have come down recently, seeing some listings under $20.

    Would be great if you could post the full model number, or a pic of the label.

  14. #494

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    When Maglite updated the 2D classic to 213 lumens and hi/lo the model number remained the same. I ordered one from Grainger who sent the old version. They responded "oops, keep the old one" and had the new version overnight'd to me.
    Point being you get what you get if you base it off a model number. The idea, especially if you are buying at eBay or Amazon is to make sure the output of the one that particular seller offers. Often times I'll place orders on things because it is listed as an older version and end up with the newest version of Streamlight, Coast and other brand's products.
    John 3:16

  15. #495

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    2D classic LED.

    Different part and model numbers, but same UPC which is kind of annoying.


    Here is a 213 lumens label.



    And here you have a 168 lumens label.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    The 3 cell ML50LX is shown as 705 lumens at Maglite. So it stands to reason the standard ML50L is now same.

    Nice score.

    Thanks Byk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yates View Post
    Mag does this a lot it seems, silent updates.

    This could explain why prices for the ML50L 3-C have come down recently, seeing some listings under $20.

    Would be great if you could post the full model number, or a pic of the label.

    Yates - I don't know how to post pics , but I could PM them to you from the listing, if you'd like to post. I see you do know how to post pics.

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    Has anyone opened up an ML25 to modify or change the driver and led? Or is it all still too proprietary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yates View Post
    Mag does this a lot it seems, silent updates.

    This could explain why prices for the ML50L 3-C have come down recently, seeing some listings under $20.

    Would be great if you could post the full model number, or a pic of the label.

    I think this worked?

    Yes! I figured it out!



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    Enjoy the pricing US citizens, anywhere else in the world and its near double the cost.
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    At one point I noticed it was the same cost to ship a package via USPS to Asia, Europe, the Congo or 10' north of the US border. I thought that rather strange. It was a bargain for the person Taiwan considering how many kilometers it travelled but to the Canadian it was pretty drastic I thought. If it was non tracked the cost was way less. Not long ago one sent to Australlia took 8 days total while one coming my way from 3 states away took a month.

    Last night I took the 332 and 127 lumen minimags out for a trial in side by side use. Close up and way in the distance the 332 was superior but for just walking around the 127 appears almost as bright. At 150 feet things appeared pretty equal for both throw and spill. As in angled to light up an object at that distance the nearby spill was about equal and so was the spot. At an angle to see 300 feet the 332 was definitely lighting the object better. At 50 feet the 332 lit up everything it's beam hit pretty evenly.
    The reason for buying the 127 in camo was so that at a glance I'd know which one it is. It has lo/strobe/signal as well where the 332 I was carrying is hi only. At Maglite it's the 'aa minimag holster pack'. The package had 5/20 on it and batteries that expire 12/2030, so I do not know if it's just left in the pipeline or if they were still producing them late in 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    The ML25 is in essence a 2C sized minimag. They did a 3 cell one that's much like carrying a Stinger (pre-big head) size minimag. They came out in late 2016 and sold pretty well due to a $20/25 price tag at WalMart, Home Depot etc. Now while the flashlight world was crossing the 1000 lumen mark Maglite put out a sub-200 lumen light. But……it has a small LED so it throws very well. 25,000+ candella from 170 something lumens. It throws like a 7D Maglite.

    In 2019 Maglite upgraded the 2 cell version to have 192 lumens (w/28,000+ candela) and a low of around 40% give or take. Twist it on like a minimag and a quick twist for low. Now many here shy away from alkaline batteries so eneloop in C size adapters are popular. Some are saying theirs won't do the high mode with eneloops. Mine fed by eneloops was acting erratic. Now it had been riding in my truck door for 18 months or so without charging the batteries. It only gets used occasionaly and usually for short bursts. The other day I noticed mine was misbehaving in cold air so I let it warm up and same thing happened. After charging up my batteries it worked normal again.
    Thanx, BF. Ask the man a question, and you get a proper answer - complete with supporting info and a photo!:-)

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    I have been having trouble with a eneloop fed energizer light kept outside in a shed this winter. The eneloops kept going dead or getting weak enough to flicker/not turn back on after very little us. They worked fine for awhile after recharging, but the eneloops apparently don't like prolonged storage in below freezing temps.

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    Also helps to unscrew the tailcap slightly. The newer mags have an electronic switch that causes a little bit of drain. Not ideal for long storage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxo View Post
    I have been having trouble with a eneloop fed energizer light kept outside in a shed this winter. The eneloops kept going dead or getting weak enough to flicker/not turn back on after very little us. They worked fine for awhile after recharging, but the eneloops apparently don't like prolonged storage in below freezing temps.
    I keep an eneloop fed ML25 in my work truck but also keep extra batteries like alkalines or ultimate lithiums just in case. I started using ultimate lithiums years ago in my unheated garage in order for the wall clock to work all year. It costed about a $2.50 a year because 4 were $10 back then and a cell would last about a year.
    Later I started storing lithiums in the flashlight in my unlit shed.
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  26. #506

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    My 3x'D' - ML300XL in Follage Green arrived today.

    I had to buy it off of the Maglite web site in order to get the latest version with the new extended run times.

    746 lumen - 32h
    130 lumen - 112h
    58 lumen - 298h

    Not that I actually expect those numbers. . But if I get a solid 8 hours -> 50% on high I'll be very happy.
    If I get the same, 1/4 of spec -> 50% for the other setting it will be fine with me.

    The infamous donut hole is mostly gone. If you play with the zoom a bit you can still get a faint shadow of the hole, but it is easy to make it disappear with an adjustment of the zoom.

    It now has a true wide angle beam that while not quite as good as a fixed flood light, is pretty acceptable. I also like the 1/4 head turn to change from wide -> focus -> wide. No more rotating the head 2-3 time to get the beam pattern you want.

    Beam color is not bad, but I would have liked something a bit warmer.

    I also wish that they had added a mode that started with low (1-click) instead of High (1-click). It's not horrible, but I use low and medium a lot more than high on my lights. But if I worked in security or law enforcement, I could see how they would prefer 1-click to high.

    I also like the new "grenade" style grip.

    I think this will be a great home emergency light. In a power failure, set it on low (or med), set it on flood and tail stand it. If you can get ~58 lumens for even 75 hours or so, that's 15 days @ 5 hours per day on one set of batteries.

    It also will be a good dog walking light. Let's just say Maglites are known for being versatile implements of defense, and leave it at that.

    Edit:

    Took it out once it got dark. I think the throw numbers are a bit optimistic.
    Compared it side-by-side with my Fenix TK15UE - 1,000L/325M.
    I actually thought the Fenix did very slightly better than the Mag, even though the Mag is rated at 403 Meters.

    I suspect part of the problem is that to reach max throw with the Mag, you need to have the focus dialed it 100% correctly. If you are off just a tiny bit you won't get max throw.

    That said I do believe that this is the best Maglite I have ever owned. The beam is better. The output is better. The throw and flood is better. But I am a bit spoiled having other lights that put out 1000, 1800 or 3200 lumens using precision flood or throw reflectors. My Olight SR52UT has a 800 meter throw and my SR MINI II can light up half a football field. That type of performance is hard to beat.

    Edit 2:
    I discovered that if I focus the beam properly I can get a solid 240 meter throw out of it. I know the distance to some houses across the way and was able to illuminate them with a usable amount of light. (Used "free map tools" online to find the distances). Before I was setting the Mag to the smallest hot-spot. Today I set it to the smallest, most well formed, circular hot-spot, and saw an improvement in throw.

    Then I compared it to my TK51 which is a light from ~2014. The specs using the throw beam on the Fenix are very close to the Maglite - 900 Lumen / 425 meter. Bluntly, the Fenix blew the Maglite away. Much brighter and able to see way more detail.

    But. . . The Fenix cost $160 back in 2014 and has 2 separate reflectors. One for flood and one for throw. So each reflector is highly tuned to the specific task and beam type.

    This does not negate the Mag as being a good light. Most people have little need for a light that can reach out hundreds of meters. For the market that it was designed for, I think the ML300XL is a good, well built, versatile light and will do most everything that a non-flashaholic will want. Additionally, lights like the Fenix require dealing with 18650 batteries. Something that a lot of people do not want to do.
    Last edited by wjv; 03-30-2021 at 10:48 PM.
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  27. #507

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    Mag did a great job with the ML300. Most people think that a Maglite is a Maglite and don't realize how much better the newer ML300 (and ML50) really are. Considering that they are $25-$40 for the basic versions (a little more for the grenade gripped LX's) and that are intended to run on alkalines I think the ML50 and ML300 series perform about as well as can be expected. Plus they are still made in the USA!

    I agree that the should have a function set that goes eco-low-high - this is something I have wanted for a long time, even though I mostly use function set 3 (momentary-high-Eco).

    BTW I run all of my Mags on NiMH or Li-ion batteries; I think that these perform a little better than alkalines, plus they won't leak.

  28. #508

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    32 hours on high is crazy long. Now it probably isn't still on full blast after all that that but I'd say it safe to predict at that point it's still brighter than the old 3D incan Mag with fresh batteries.

    I received an email from Maglite saying "thanks for your input" to which I suppose was due to asking them a few times to consider adding an "eco" setting to the mode groups. One time I said "you guys advertize the 4D as a long run light when it's on eco so why not incorparate a "power out" mode for times when one needs that long run time"…… sure it's great to have 1000 lumens but when the power is out one might prefer not to be blinded while clicking from high, to low to eco. I don't about you guys but when the power is out at night my home is pretty dark so the last light I'm reaching for is a gigantic 1000 lumen number. A candle puts out plenty at those times so a tailstood 50 something lumen eco mode Maglite is very useful.
    Actually if it had an eco option I'd probably use that the most with some of my ML lights. I'll always have my ML150LRSX set on cop mode though 'cause I love love love that 846 lumen momentary thing. Heck yeah, "take that perp" zzzt goes the retinas baby!!
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    It shouldn't be too hard for Mag to update the firmware for a start on eco "weather emergency" function set. While they're at it, how about a tactical momentary only set or maybe a momentary/triple click for constant on set?

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    I went to sprawl mart today looking for solar lamp batteries and ran across Westinghouse AA batteries for about $2.50 each (4 pack for $10). The package says 2000mAh so for my 3-6 lumen yard lights, why not? Now I'm thinking of trying them out in an ML25 I don't use much and see about how well they hold a charge. If they suck at holding a charge I'll just keep them for yard light replacements. I bought 3 packs for 4 lights so I have some extras.
    They also had 3.7 volt 18650 cells 4/$14.
    Last edited by bykfixer; 04-05-2021 at 07:12 PM.
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