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Thread: [COMPLETED] Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

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    Default [COMPLETED] Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Phase 4- Dropins here, packing today! (09/30/2020)

    Phase 3.8- Dropins ready! Gene has all our money!
    (09/22/2020)

    Phase 3. All paid. Order placed with Gene.



    This is a Group Buy for an M61N LLLL dropin. That's FOUR (4) Ls everyone. Say it with me: low low low low


    There is a minimum order quantity of 20 units, CONUS shipping only, further upon special arrangement.

    FOR ONE DROPIN: Payment Total will be $63 via Paypal Goods and Services. This breaks down to $50/ dropin from Gene, $2 "GB charge", $8.30 for USPS Priority Flat Rate CONUS shipping (small FR box), and PayPal fee of roughly $2.70.

    FOR TWO DROPINS: Payment Total will be $116 via Paypal Goods and Services
    . This breaks down to 2x($50/ dropin), + 2x($2 GB charge), $8.30 for USPS Flat Rate CONUS (small FR box), and PayPal fee of roughly $3.70. *$50 of insurance included, I can make this $100 upon special arrangement.

    You may order any amount of dropins!



    If this sounds interesting, read onÖ

    All communication should take place in the comments for transparency. I wonít respond to PMs regarding this GB unless otherwise arranged. The exception is for non CONUS or international shipping inquiries.



    Phase 1 ĖSign-Up:

    - We are already at 20 to start, this group buy is ready to rock.

    - Indicate your willingness to participate in the group buy by posting the following in the comments: ďIím in for QTY x.Ē
    - Posting that you want to participate is a firm commitment to buy. Others are depending on you! Donít indicate that youíre going to participate if youíre ďjust thinking about it.Ē Think about it first, then decide, then sign-up.
    - Additional Sign-up will last through 2359 hours on September 4th, 2020.
    - INTERNATIONAL SHIPMENTS MUST BE ARRANGED VIA PM

    Phase 2 Ė Pre-Pay:

    - After sign-ups, please make PAYMENT to me via PayPal Goods and Services. This breaks down to PAYMENT for dropin and LED, plus flat rate priority USPS shipping, plus PP fee price.
    - PP G&S protects you through Purchase Protection, so no gnashing of teeth over the small extra amount.
    - YOU MUST INCLUDE IN PAYPAL PAYMENT NOTES THE FOLLOWING IN THIS ORDER:

    CPF handle + real name
    # of dropins ordered

    Business/ Care-of/ Attn if applicable
    Street number, street, Apt/Ste.....
    City, State, Zip code



    and nothing else!
    - Pre-pay will last through 2359 hours on September 11th, 2020.
    - If some buyers donít pay by the Phase 2 deadline, your spot will be considered forfeit and may or may not be made available to you again.
    - Once you pay, youíre locked in until (a) you receive your head (b) the GB shuts down or (c) you trade your spot.


    FOR ONE DROPIN: Payment Total will be $63 via Paypal Goods and Services. This breaks down to $50/ dropin from Gene, $2 "GB charge", $8.30 for USPS Priority Flat Rate CONUS shipping (small FR box), and PayPal fee of roughly $2.70.

    FOR TWO DROPINS: Payment Total will be $116 via Paypal Goods and Services. This breaks down to 2x($50/ dropin), + 2x($2 GB charge), $8.30 for USPS Flat Rate CONUS (small FR box), and PayPal fee of roughly $3.70. *$50 of insurance included, I can make this $100 upon special arrangement.



    Phase 3 Ė Ordering/Manufacturing:

    - Once payments are submitted I will place the order with Gene.
    - We wait ? During this time, I will check in with Gene weekly and post updates in the comments.
    - This phase ends when Gene ships the drop-ins to me.

    Phase 4 Ė Shipping to you:

    - This phase starts when I receive the package from Gene.
    - I will PM you the tracking number after I ship. Shipping is CONUS only.
    - I will provide an option for insurance, if you want to pay extra for this you must let me know, else all shipments will be valued at $50 (1 dropin).
    - Once I ship to you and provide a tracking number, Iím out of the loop. Iím not responsible for lost or delayed items once USPS is in possession of your drop-in. If youíre worried about this, I will provide an option for USPS insurance.

    ************************************************** ****
    FAQs:

    (1) What is a Malkoff M61N LLLL? What exactly am I purchasing?


    This is the Malkoff Devices P60 style Drop-in LED Upgrade Conversion with solid brass heatsink construction. This is a LLLL- that's FOUR L's (low low low low). Output is roughly 24lm (26lm @ 9V). The LED is a will be a 4000K Luminous SST-20 95 CRI emitter.

    From the Malkoff Web-site.

    This design utilizes a custom orange peel reflector designed by Don McLeish. The reflector offers a very nice balance between throw and spill. It is an outstanding room lighter and short to medium spotter. It was designed specifically for use in Malkoff MD2, Elzetta ZFL-M60, and SureFire 6P, 9P, 6Z, Z2, Z3, C2, C3, M2, G3, and G2 flashlights. It may or may not fit other models. The input voltage is 3.4 - 9 volts. Below 3.4 volts it will drop out of regulation and run direct drive. This dropin is protected against reverse polarity.

    This Malkoff Upgrade is designed for rugged service from the ground up. It is fully potted to stand up to rough service and recoil. This item is covered by Our Lifetime Warranty

    This GB is for the Drop In only.

    (2) Can I change my mind and back out?

    During Phase 1, yes.

    After Phase 1 ends, no.

    (3) Can I trade my spot?

    During Phase 1, no need. Just post that you want to be removed from the list.

    During Phase 2, you must arrange for someone to take your spot. Please keep any such updates in the

    (3) What tint and emitter?

    Luminous SST-20 4000K 95 CRI sourced via Gene.

    (4) Minimum order quantity?

    20. We are at ~22 before posting this. So we are a go, just now how many we get.

    (5) How long will it take?

    Gene typically estimates 4 weeks once I tell him "Go". This is a good average. Some have been as quick as 2, some have been closer to 6. Lots of variables.

    (6) How much profit are you making on this group buy?

    I am not running this to make a profit. Given regularity and amount of time these require, particularly in shipment related tasks, I aim to have one M61 dropin (roughly $45 value) provided to me as compensation. This means adding a roughly $2/ spot (exact TBD once everyone is signed up), no extra money will be taken.

    (7) What if Iím dissatisfied with the final product?

    You would contact Gene, not me. Once I ship you the drop-in, Iím out of the loop (make sure you understand the shipping terms).

    Thanks to the following CPF'ers.
    lion504: for letting me use his GB format.
    GreatScoot: for letting me basically copy his M91BN group-buy!

    -Special thanks to Gene for putting up with us crazy CPF'ers and indulging our whims.
    Last edited by dotCPF; 10-27-2020 at 08:17 AM.
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    OFFICIAL SIGN-UP LIST



    1. ledbetter [Paid]
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    Last edited by dotCPF; 09-15-2020 at 06:54 AM.
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    I would like to make the following clear separated from the rest of the GB wall of text:

    (6) How much profit are you making on this group buy?

    I am not running this to make a profit. Given regularity and amount of time these require, particularly in shipment related tasks, I aim to have one M61 dropin (roughly $45 value) provided to me as compensation. This means adding a roughly $2/ spot (exact TBD once everyone is signed up), no extra money will be taken.
    Last edited by dotCPF; 08-24-2020 at 11:42 AM.
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Bump so other oops thread isn't on top
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    I'm in for a quantity of 2.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Iím in for Qty 1

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Lists updated.
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    what is your paypal handle?

    Quote Originally Posted by dotCPF View Post
    Phase 2 Ė Pre-Pay:

    - After sign-ups, please make PAYMENT to me via PayPal Goods and Services. This breaks down to PAYMENT for dropin and LED, plus flat rate priority USPS shipping, plus PP fee price.
    - PP G&S protects you through Purchase Protection, so no gnashing of teeth over the small extra amount.
    - YOU MUST INCLUDE IN PAYPAL PAYMENT NOTES THE FOLLOWING IN THIS ORDER:

    CPF handle + real name
    # of dropins ordered

    Business/ Care-of/ Attn if applicable
    Street number, street, Apt/Ste.....
    City, State, Zip code



    and nothing else!
    - Pre-pay will last through 2359 hours on September 11th, 2020.
    - If some buyers donít pay by the Phase 2 deadline, your spot will be considered forfeit and may or may not be made available to you again.
    - Once you pay, youíre locked in until (a) you receive your head (b) the GB shuts down or (c) you trade your spot.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    For clarity sake:
    Iím requesting 2.
    So thatís $48 + $48 + $8.30 (shipping) total sent through PayPal to cover everything. (No extra Insurance, etc)
    $104.30 Total (Just want to make sure)


    Thanks again DotCPF for doing all of this, itís greatly appreciated.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    The answer to your questions I believe is Yes.

    Exact price TBD pending Gene but these will probably be about $50/ea. not including shipping.

    If you order multiple dropins, you only get charged once for shipping.

    I will likely break the list up depending on how many dropins ordered for organization purposes.
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Cool,
    just sitting tight for now then, thanks.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Confirming that Iím in for 1. Cross reference #19 on the list.

    Thanks!
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    Last edited by double_r76; 08-26-2020 at 10:27 AM.
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    I'm in for one.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Hey DOT, not that you asked or anything but I see nothing wrong with you getting a dropin out of this. This is a huge undertaking and Iím sure a lot of work on your part. You deserve that at the very least.
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    sounds like a just reward to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by thermal guy View Post
    Hey DOT, not that you asked or anything but I see nothing wrong with you getting a dropin out of this. This is a huge undertaking and Iím sure a lot of work on your part. You deserve that at the very least.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Oooo can I be in for one if there is space ? Thanks !

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    Please make sure I'm down for 2. Thanks! Much appreciated!

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Lists updated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rstype View Post
    Oooo can I be in for one if there is space ? Thanks !
    Plenty of room. Unlimited technically...
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    Thanks dot!

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    I'm in for QTY 1.

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    List updated.


    I think I'm going to allow sign ups until just before payment deadline since there is a rather quick "sign up" deadline. I would then be placing the order Sept. 11th (a most fitting day on which to bring light to the world).

    There won't be any LED delay since we will be using the SSTs that Gene has on hand. This should keep us on track to seeing these roughly by first week of October.
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Quote Originally Posted by dotCPF View Post
    Lists updated.



    Plenty of room. Unlimited technically...
    If you bought 50 of these you would sell the rest off in a few months.Hell, gene could list them on his site. Pretty sure they could be a regular item. All he would have to do is put a link on his site to the 4L thread. Sell like hot cakes.
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    I have strongly considered it, but it's just too much risk at the moment particularly while I'm looking at buying a home! I think I would have to cross the line of this being a group buy to actually trying to make some profit of that kind of thing in order to make the overhead cost worth while.


    That reminds me- as for engraving and numbers- I'm not going to do numbers for this group buy. I will just have Gene engrave "4K M61N LLLL" on all modules. I don't think I'm going to bother with a version number because these will just be using his regularly stocked LEDs and future runs would be exactly the same.
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    I'm in for 1. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    PLEASE DO NOT MAKE PAYMENTS AT THIS TIME, I WILL PM EVERYONE PAYMENT REQUESTS UPON COMPLETION OF PHASE 1.

    FOR ONE DROPIN: Payment Total will be $63 via Paypal Goods and Services.
    This breaks down to $50/ dropin from Gene, $2 "GB charge", $8.30 for USPS Priority Flat Rate CONUS shipping (small FR box), and PayPal fee of roughly $2.70.

    FOR TWO DROPINS: Payment Total will be $116 via Paypal Goods and Services. This breaks down to 2x($50/ dropin), + 2x($2 GB charge), $8.30 for USPS Flat Rate CONUS (small FR box), and PayPal fee of roughly $3.70. *$50 of insurance included, I can make this $100 upon special arrangement.


    Please note any requests for special arrangements IN THIS THREAD FIRST- be it alternate packaging, alternate/ international shipping, additional insurance or instructions, what-have-you. I WILL PM YOU within 36hrs max of you noting a pending request in this thread, just type "dot please PM me regarding "shipment"" or something to that effect. If you do not receive a response after 36hrs please then feel free to bug me via PM.
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    List Updated.
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    Got out my 4L's SST'd Brinkmann MaxFire last night and man I love it.

    For those first timers in this group buy, it's very unlikely you'll be disappointed. I got in on the previous one.

    You da man dot!!!
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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    True words my friend! They put out the perfect level of light for nighttime jobs and as far as runtimes go Iím still on the same set of primaries in my G3 and I Have used it pretty much every night since I got it. Thatís 4 1/2 months!
    If i had one day left to live i would want to be at my workplace.Because every day is like a frickin eternity.

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    It's gonna be a Great Halloween Light!!!

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    Default Re: Malkoff M61N LLLL SST-20 95 CRI Group Buy, round 2!

    Quote Originally Posted by AstroTurf View Post
    It's gonna be a Great Halloween Light!!!
    Quite perfect for that.
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