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    Default The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    I just received a E14III Manker, HiCRI and am astonished at the build, performance and price. Comparing this light to many other high end models is like comparing a dying campfire ember to a LED. My initial use of this quad flooder on the trail last night was a game changer.


    The “Manker E14 III 4000 Lumens Mini EDC Pocket LED Flashlight + Type-C USB Rechargeable 18350 Battery(10A)” is a compact wonder of current tech and performance at a total price of $72 shipped. This includes an 18650 tube ($12). The short 18350 version is just $55. The Cost Benefit Ratio is off any chart you can find. Other lights boast of best-in-class exceptional drivers, UI, hardened potting, etc., but this light delivers effectively all that (and it seems, much better) at a cost that allows you to buy more than 4 of them as redundancies and still have a lot of cash left over compared to some. As to utility for EDC, I can't think of anything that comes close.


    I think this one will change the landscape. It’s well worth your time to check this out.

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    Incredible. Nails almost everything there is to nail. 18650/18350. tail standing tail clicky. neutral HiCRI or cool white. potted electronics. temperature regulated. copper heatsink. low voltage cutoff. constant current. simple yet attractive clip. very attractive price.




    Missing constant brightness regulation, but almost no lights have such a thing.
    I prefer single emitters, but with this I can make exception.

    Any idea on what the emitters actually are?

    Edit: I see
    Emitter: 4x Samsung LH351D (Cool White: 6500K, Neutral White: 4000K CRI>90)
    Last edited by chillinn; 09-12-2020 at 09:39 AM.

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    It is actually constant brightness regulated...
    You should have jumped on FB groupbuy, E14III and MC13 combo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by id30209 View Post
    It is actually constant brightness regulated...
    How do you know this? I see nothing at Manker to indicate this. Constant brightness is not a feature to hide.


    Quote Originally Posted by id30209 View Post
    You should have jumped on FB groupbuy,...
    I won't FB. I refuse to be a product. FB is rather evil... you don't realize what you're promoting nor what you're giving away.
    Last edited by chillinn; 09-12-2020 at 09:49 AM.

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    FB is definitely evil but you can avoid it by going direct to the source.
    https://m4dm4x.com/manker-edc-muscle...3-18350-18650/

    This is definitely a very exciting combo and Manker finally got rid of their extremely annoying UI and replaced it with arguably one of the best flashlight UI out there. I have one on order and will post measurements once I receive it.

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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    Please let us know how the 5 optional moonlight settings work out, as the 180lm low is way to high for most users

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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    Why couldn’t the 18650 body have the same clip as that 18350? That would have been perfection! I’m probably going to buy one anyway lol.

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    So 4 thousand lumens from an 18350……

    Is runtime going to be listed in minutes or seconds?

    Yet Manker is doing something amazing here.

    I was a believer about the Manker ideas when a T01 a freind sent me lit up my whole back yard and my neighbors backyard using one Rayovac alkaline AA battery.
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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    Manker hit this one out of the park - it definitely scratched almost all of my itches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knucklegary View Post
    Please let us know how the 5 optional moonlight settings work out, as the 180lm low is way to high for most users
    The lowest moon is lower than the lowest moon on a HDS. Perfect spacing between the moons. I can hike along at the highest moon and the flash the 4K at anything that goes bump.

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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    One con: Does not have the perfect rotary control like my NB45 HDS. If it did, well, ain’t nothing to touch it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wweiss View Post
    The lowest moon is lower than the lowest moon on a HDS. Perfect spacing between the moons. I can hike along at the highest moon and the flash the 4K at anything that goes bump.
    Let's just call it what it is... half a lumen. I believe actual moonlight is 1-3Lm, so I call anything below a lumen a firefly. I did not notice that this thing has no low or medium modes whatsoever. Goes from 0.5Lm straight to 180Lm*. That is rather unfortunate, and just plain nutty, and instantly kills my interest. If it even had an 8Lm or 20 Lm mode... or just a 40Lm mode, I could make exception. I don't know what I'd do with this light. Not comparable for the price and size, but I'd rather have an SC700d, and I don't even know what I'd do with that. I live in the deep sticks, and it is very dark at night, and there are long stretches of flat places to shine light... but I prefer to be low key and see up close. Ok, I just did think of a purpose: for sailing. One thing I noticed about light is that stretches of water just eats it. Only one thing to do is go to extreme brightnesses, and those serious about sailing or boating and have to be on water at night do have and use incredibly bright and often HID lights. So maybe I could drawer this thing until I go sailing again. Also I suppose the E14 III could be useful during the day... outside. Lumen junkies will love it, but I am a junkie for 0.01Lm up to about 40Lm, and only use 100Lm or more very briefly.


    *edit: appears I am mistaken, and there are intermediate programmable modes. Manker's product page does not seem to list what they are... so there is more than one moonlight level, and more than one intermediate level. Hope someone posts what those are.
    Last edited by chillinn; 09-12-2020 at 01:11 PM.

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    Here is the review i found

    https://1lumen.com/review/manker-e14-iii/

    Looks like lowest moon mode is not meassurable acc to tester...

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    Quote Originally Posted by id30209 View Post
    Here is the review i found

    https://1lumen.com/review/manker-e14-iii/

    Looks like lowest moon mode is not meassurable acc to tester...
    According to the review, it does appear regulated for constant brightness in all modes but Turbo. I wonder why Manker wouldn't list this as a feature... it is so rare and highly desired. The reviewer fails to mention this under his "Pros" list. I wonder how the driver accomplishes this with constant current, or if the constant current feature is exaggerated, and it utilizes a pulse schema that doesn't drop to 0 output, ala Zebralight.

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    CC or regulated is now feature that many manufacturers are implementing. Convoy for example with new drivers is just amazing and no PWM at any level. Sofirn, Skilhunt and other low cost names also.
    Manker was known for long time for their super efficient drivers.

    Turbo step down is ok knowing the size and battery it has. Most likely temperature controled.


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    The lowest moon level on my HDS is .02L. The lowest level on the Manker is a bit less than 2 hundredths of a lumen. Using moon 5 (5+-L?) is perfect for my trail walking.
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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    Quote Originally Posted by id30209 View Post
    CC or regulated is now feature that many manufacturers are implementing. Convoy for example with new drivers is just amazing and no PWM at any level. Sofirn, Skilhunt and other low cost names also.
    Manker was known for long time for their super efficient drivers.
    So glad to hear it. Got an eye on a Convoy S2+. Too good of a deal just got better.
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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    I’ve been using this light now for a solid week and I have come to think that it is one of the best lights out there. The UI is fantastic I can hike along at 3 to 5 lm and it goes lower than that to the point of hardly being visible. I have both the 18350 in the 18650 tubes - very versatile. The Samsung LEDs in neutral are very high CRI and produce a great wide floody beam. The highest brightness level is so high that it literally becomes as good as a thrower if you need it. Heat regulation is so good, you can run it a long time on turbo.

    I have found myself leaving my HDS and Alpha‘s home and taking this light every night.

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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    I ordered the Combo, got CRI on the flooder and white on the thrower, I have green trits ready for both tube's tails. Looking forward to these.
    In no order: HDS/Malkoff/OVEREADY/McGizmo/Sky Lumen -PSM

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    I ordered the Combo, got CRI on the flooder and white on the thrower, I have green trits ready for both tube's tails. Looking forward to these.
    I predict you may be stunned by the performance of both...
    Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wweiss View Post
    I predict you may be stunned by the performance of both...
    Enjoy!
    I have not seen a bad review yet, UI sounds great.
    In no order: HDS/Malkoff/OVEREADY/McGizmo/Sky Lumen -PSM

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    Quote Originally Posted by id30209 View Post
    It is actually constant brightness regulated...
    You should have jumped on FB groupbuy, E14III and MC13 combo...
    Manker is still offering (to other forum members) the EDC Muscle Combo.. Question is do they still have the exclusive printing that makes that set unique?

    id30209,, Did you get in on that GB?

    I dumped FB earlier in the year
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    I hope the GB holds another two weeks and two days until I am paid.

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    Jumping on the combo tonight, I wasn't sure until I read this thread.. Thanks boys

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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    Did you view beam shots of the Osram green thrower? Also comes red or blue... Dope!
    Got my order ready to goooo

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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    If anyone wants to front me for a couple weeks, and hang onto the package until I pay, including extra ship, PM me. (How pathetic is this.)

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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    Quote Originally Posted by knucklegary View Post
    id30209,, Did you get in on that GB?
    Yeap, found it on M4D M4X FB page and jumped on it instantly. Package combo is exclusivly printed for that GB and forum also.


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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    Quote Originally Posted by chillinn View Post
    If anyone wants to front me for a couple weeks, and hang onto the package until I pay, including extra ship, PM me. (How pathetic is this.)
    I’m sure the GB code will still work, why don’t you email the guy and ask? I got in yest and the GB was apparently over 8/30 lol.
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    Default Re: The Manker E14III - an update that defies both physics and economics….

    I talked with Manker rep.. He would not tell how many units were made with the forum laser printing. But as of yesterday eve they are still available

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliceScannerMan View Post
    I’m sure the GB code will still work, why don’t you email the guy and ask? I got in yest and the GB was apparently over 8/30 lol.
    I did email Martin a few days ago. He said I "might get lucky."

    I apologize for embarrassing myself. I am not all that emotionally invested in this. It is a pretty darned good deal. But the E14III will still be available at a good price, and the MC13, too, if I miss the Muscle Combo. I won't even shake a fist, not even a tiny one. I guess I am just excited at what a good deal it is. Sorry again.
    Last edited by chillinn; 09-18-2020 at 07:34 AM.

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