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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN;5443127[COLOR=#333333
    remaining positive about life (including kindness toward others), gratitude, and a good looking useful flashlight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    Interesting to see the Worldometer graphs for India these days. Some experts are baffled why India is doing so well without the vaccine effect not having really kicked in yet.

    Kitrobaskin Post #32 in the original COVID thread here at CPF:

    Seems like historically, humanity (not some individuals) became stronger after exposure to pathogens. Most people infected apparently do not get especially sick. Has anyone mentioned eating healthy foods, remaining positive about life (including kindness toward others), gratitude, and a good looking useful flashlight?


    A large dense population nearer to the hotbed of viruses etc in China likely has India passing around more bugs which in turn exercises their immune system. I read somewhere that having certain colds in the past make you more resistant to Covid 19 because they too are Corona Viruses. As I've heard the African American population is more at risk from covid than other races it doesn't surprise me that another race of people are less at risk from the virus. As for "experts" this virus has pretty much shown there are none regarding it other than creating a vaccine few have much of a clue how to predict the next outbreak and what preventative steps taken will affect it and how.
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    May you live long and prosper, Katherine Alicia

    Moderator Archimedes' post #344 (3/22/2020) in the original COVID thread:

    I think it is fair to say that everyone is stressed at the moment.

    Different personalities react to stress differently. Some joke, some downplay, some panic, some withdraw, some seek interaction or distraction.

    Please keep in mind that moderation here on CPF is ~ 90% driven by other members' reports and complaints, not by mods themselves.

    With several of my posts above, what seems like ages ago now (but really only a few days back) , I had asked for several in this thread to cool down the rhetoric. So no, no one here is being singled out.

    Please try to keep these points in mind. Being friendly, helpful, open minded, and supportive of each other, is of immense value in a crisis. Both in our own little community, as well as out in the world at large.

    Thank you all for attempting to be thoughtful and considerate at this time of crisis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Arc View Post
    ...As for "experts" this virus has pretty much shown there are none regarding it other than creating a vaccine few have much of a clue how to predict the next outbreak and what preventative steps taken will affect it and how.
    Except that this isn't quite accurate. Globally, people are actively researching animals considered likely to spawn the next pathogen. And we know how to mitigate spread... doing it is another matter. Don't think we really needed double blind confirmation that masks, hygiene, distancing, etc helped slow down an airborne pathogen.
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    Can we take a moment to appreciate the managers and custodians of CPF?
    May 15, 2020 Post #652 by Greta in the second coronavirus thread


    Speaking of changing stripes and moderating these forums and get off my lawn!! -----


    I was asked to join these forums 18 years ago to help out with moderating and overall upkeep. I was only 40 years old then! David W had his ways and I followed along and "learned" from him. Both of us came from a very conservative political forum. First rule of CPF - No political discussions! And we were pretty strict about that. Second Rule of CPF - Keep it family friendly to include: no flaming, baiting, or trolling, and no foul/offensive language. Over the years and once David W left the forums, I was determined to uphold the standards and integrity he established. But time goes on... and things change... and people change.

    I have found that I'm not so rigid anymore... everything black or white. There really -ARE- grey areas! Go figure! And I think we have gotten to a point with our membership where the majority can act like adults. If something is a bit over the line, a gentle reminder or request to tone down is met with maturity and compliance. Easy peasy. And MUCH better than an iron fist. Was I wrong back in the day? No. I don't think I was. I think I sorted things the way they needed to be at the time and with the experience I had at the time.

    So here I am now... 58 years old. And I've learned so much more! One of the most important things I've learned is that the moderators and administrators of this forum are human too. And they have thoughts and opinions. And they should not have to keep those to themselves. Of course, there is a fine line between expressing their opinions and using their position to impose their opinions. The group we have right now is absolutely amazing! We discuss in private what we should and shouldn't say or do as far as moderation. And as far as I'm concerned, no one throws their weight around as far as their "powers". Some interpret just the presence of a moderator in a thread as inserting and asserting authority. Don't. Unless their post is specifically addressing a moderating issue, they are just regular people just like the rest of us. And yes, that includes me too.

    So as far as moderating the moderators - don't worry... I got it - and changing stripes? I've definitely done that! - And now? Get off my lawn!

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    Optimism on recent lower infection rates and deaths(half million total by end of the month)should be mitigated by variants and infections outpacing vaccinations, especially with 48 states having indoor dining and many school districts reopening without requiring vaccinations or even cohesive guidelines. Americans’ flippant attitude towards this disease, vaccinations, and science in general is astounding. Hopefully the new government’s efforts will not be for naught but when the states and general population just decide to ignore reality, there’s little that can be done. Most Americans would rather listen to and believe a carnival barker or a preacher or a spewer of hate on the radio than a scientist.

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    ...variants and infections outpacing vaccinations? Where is your data?
    Further, your negative spew of 'most americans' is damaging to your credibility.
    Death is a great equalizer, and deciding to spit on the grave is not becoming, regardless of the hate they propagated. We are all imperfect, don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    ...variants and infections outpacing vaccinations? Where is your data?
    Further, your negative spew of 'most americans' is damaging to your credibility.
    Death is a great equalizer, and deciding to spit on the grave is not becoming, regardless of the hate they propagated. We are all imperfect, don't you think?
    Unfortunately, in a situation like this it doesn't even have to be "most" people ignoring guidelines. All it takes is a small minority to undo the hard work of everyone else trying to slow the spread. If 95% had worn masks consistently we would have been through the worst of this months ago. If 10% or 20% decide to ignore the advice of experts, well, here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    ...”We are all imperfect, don't you think?
    Well, obviously, some more than others.

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    ledbetter - drop the politics and confrontational rhetoric. This is your one and only warning. If I have to remove one more of your posts from ANY thread, you will be taking some time off from CPF.

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    Wouldn't this be nice.... Herd Immunity
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-ha...3669731?page=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCEMan View Post
    Wouldn't this be nice.... Herd Immunity
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-ha...3669731?page=1
    Read the article. I agree that recovered cases + immunized people will reach herd immunity and cases will plummet. But I don't think we are there yet.

    New cases appear to be in free fall. But, deaths are NOT (yet). One of the top 10 highest 7 day average deaths (3,057) happened on 1-8-2021. Another happened on 2-13-2021 (2,967). ALL 10 occurrences are within Jan 8 to Feb 13, more or less evenly spread out over this time period.

    Additionally, when calculating recent case mortality, the recent numbers are skyrocketing. So what? Did it just get much more deadly? I thought we 'burned through' the most vulnerable a year ago. These numbers should be dropping. So, to me, all data seems to point to new cases being seriously under reported.

    We ARE off the holiday peak, but not into herd immunity yet. A few more weeks should tell a better story.

    When new cases (which could be influenced by testing) drop along with deaths (which are more impartial to testing), THEN we can applaud. But at NO time during any of this can we let our guard down, and the sooner we are all vaccinated the fewer chances we have for further mutations.
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    Keep in mind immunity from getting it is a lot shorter lived than immunity from vaccinations. And some people can still get one of the new strains even after having gotten it once. My takeaway from the article is that if we possibly reach herd immunity by April in part due to people who already had it, it will buy us time to vaccinate everyone before the natural immunity wears off. We still need to vaccinate everyone, whether they had it or not. And we may need booster shots next year to deal with new strains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtr1962 View Post
    ... My takeaway from the article is that if we possibly reach herd immunity by April in part due to people who already had it, it will buy us time to vaccinate everyone before the natural immunity wears off. ...
    "Antibody testing doesn’t capture antigen-specific T-cells, which develop “memory” once they are activated by the virus. Survivors of the 1918 Spanish flu were found in 2008—90 years later—to have memory cells still able to produce neutralizing antibodies."
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