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    In my home state there's a light at the end of the tunnel and it aint a train. Yippee!!

    Now the total number of cases will never be less as it is a running total like time. There will be a day when the number is frozen though. Phew! That'll be cool.

    But the rate of rise is falling while the rate of inoculations is rising.

    The point of this one will hopefully focus on putting this thing in the rear view mirror real soon. I received a text from my athsmatic son this morning that he has an appointment for his shot this week. He said he has not felt this calm in about a year. I think many who participated in previous threads can say they too feel that sense of relief. For the first time in a year many feel that the end just might be around the corner for the US.

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    Last I heard this pandemic is likely to be endemic. I got the first shot and am hopeful all my future shots will prevent the disease.
    America needs to keep making tons of vaccine and sell it cheap or give it away to our neighbors to give our border a buffer. And though I hate to say it, maybe airlines could offer some vaccine only flights? And good luck to your son, I know asthma sucks, especially when lung eating viruses are on the loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledbetter View Post
    maybe airlines could offer some vaccine only flights?
    Based on mask & passenger behavior on recent flights I've been on, wouldn't that be great!

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    I was glad when I was able to schedule an appointment for the first dose of vaccine with a mere ~week leadtime. In about 6 weeks I can finally visit my parents again.
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    Yesterday the news reported that Moderna is starting a new set of trials... boosters against the variants etc.
    1/3 will be a booster of the current vaccine
    1/3 will be a booster aimed at one of the variants in particular ( I'm not sure which one, but I am thinking it is the South African variant).
    1/3 will be a combined booster of the original and the variant.

    Science has come a long was in the past few years. With the regular flu shot, it is a bit of hit and miss. By time they learn which strain is the most predominant for any particular season, it is too late to manufacture a vaccine to be effective for that season.

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    another bit of news:
    We may be at 40% of the US population with some level of immunity.
    It was estimated that about 30% have natural acquired immunity, and 20% have been inoculated. Considering some overlap, it is estimated that 40% of us are protected.

    We're getting there!

    The US is now administering over 2,100,000 doses a day.
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    Some of the advances have resulted from AIDS research, and various things like malaria, pnuemonia and other things that plague parts of the globe us Yanks never really think about. It reminds me of all those smart weapons used in the Desert Shield situation in the 90's. As in it seemed like out of nowhere they were able to launch a missle from Florida and accurately hit an object the size of a tennis court in New Jersey. Yet those things had been being developed long before 1991 or whatever year Desert Shield happened.
    It seems the covid-19 shot uses technology developed long before 2020. Some of which has taken place in research in outter space because somehow no gravity allows scientists to disect things even more precisely in space. It's like the technology allows them to disect a molecule now so they understand the things a molecule is made of now.

    Our town had a somewhat famous arts and crafts event every year since the 1980's on Mothers Day until 2020. They announced yesterday it's back on this year. Limited number of participants was stated but it's still like 40% instead of 0. Being a roadway inspector I worked like normal the whole time. This time last years the roads were quiet. Like everyday was a national holiday. The only time I got real nervous about supply chains was when I noticed no train sounds from a nearby railroad highway. That lasted about 3 weeks. Trucks were everywhere but no trains. Now the highways are pretty normal again and it appears commerce is returned to a near normal.

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    I sincerely hope your optimism is rewarded!

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    I think as spring puts in an appearance, at the very least people's outlooks will improve. We were pushing 70° here yesterday with bright sunshine. I went out for a drive in a t-shirt with the windows down and enjoyed the warmth. And we "spring ahead" this weekend! There's a ways to go, but we're getting there.
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    Good to see this thread.

    Here is (New Mexico funneled) official information regarding the three different (Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen) vaccines (including ingredients) for those who want to learn more:

    https://cvvaccine.nmhealth.org/Docum...VID-19-EUA.pdf

    https://cvvaccine.nmhealth.org/Docum...VID-19-EUA.pdf

    https://cvvaccine.nmhealth.org/Docum...VID-19-EUA.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post

    The point of this one will hopefully focus on putting this thing in the rear view mirror real soon. I received a text from my asthmatic son this morning that he has an appointment for his shot this week. He said he has not felt this calm in about a year. I think many who participated in previous threads can say they too feel that sense of relief. For the first time in a year many feel that the end just might be around the corner for the US.

    Thoughts?
    My son has asthma too and it definitely makes one more cautious. I work at a hospital and that makes things stressful at times.

    I hope the Covid subsides in the near future. Wearing a mask for 8 hours, 5 days a week gets old.

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    I hope it's over soon. I'm not that optimistic about it though as illegal immigrants are being allowed in the U.S. without covid testing. This could extend the problem further into the future. Things opening up has become a political issue and not based on science. People are fed up with the lockdown, courts are starting to favor churches and some businesses, and politicians are doing what's in their best interest to keep their jobs. We're not out of the woods yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked on Fenix View Post
    I hope it's over soon. I'm not that optimistic about it though as illegal immigrants are being allowed in the U.S. without covid testing. This could extend the problem further into the future. Things opening up has become a political issue and not based on science. People are fed up with the lockdown, courts are starting to favor churches and some businesses, and politicians are doing what's in their best interest to keep their jobs. We're not out of the woods yet.
    This is exactly why I favor overhauling our response mechanism. Once a medical emergency like a pandemic is declared, the measures needed should be decided by experts in the field, and should carry the force of law until the emergency is over. Politicians or courts simply lack the expertise or will to do what is needed. The only role for politicians would be implementing whatever economic supports might be needed in the case of long lock downs or other interruptions to the economy.

    I'm pretty skeptical also, to the point that I think this thing might mutate a few more times, and we'll have a surge next fall/winter which dwarfs what we just went through. We're not even close to the point where we can start relaxing. This is one time though I'd love to be proven wrong. I'm as tired of dealing with this as anybody but I'm not letting my guard down until the number of daily new cases in the US falls to the single digits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    It seems the covid-19 shot uses technology developed long before 2020. Some of which has taken place in research in outter space because somehow no gravity allows scientists to disect things even more precisely in space. It's like the technology allows them to disect a molecule now so they understand the things a molecule is made of now.
    The covid-19 vaccines are proof-of-concept that mRNA vaccines work. For a long time the medical community was skeptical. I'm thinking the concept can eventually be applied to a lot more than just novel viruses. Why not develop mRNA which causes the body to make antibodies which kill different kinds of cancer cells, perhaps all kinds, so we have a universal cancer vaccine? It might take years to develop, but if it works we'll eliminate once of the major causes of premature death in modern societies.

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    Looks like Joe’s listening to me! White House announced sending about 4 million doses of AZ vaccine to Canada and Mexico. It’s a start.Now if I can only get a vaccine only flight.
    Last edited by ledbetter; 03-18-2021 at 02:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtr1962 View Post
    The covid-19 vaccines are proof-of-concept that mRNA vaccines work. For a long time the medical community was skeptical. I'm thinking the concept can eventually be applied to a lot more than just novel viruses. Why not develop mRNA which causes the body to make antibodies which kill different kinds of cancer cells, perhaps all kinds, so we have a universal cancer vaccine? It might take years to develop, but if it works we'll eliminate once of the major causes of premature death in modern societies.
    A guy on the radio said the technology in the covid-19 shot may be to the medical world what vulcanized rubber was to the industrial world way back when.
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    Fewer complaints about Big Phama now.

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    Ha! Good point LB
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtr1962 View Post
    The covid-19 vaccines are proof-of-concept that mRNA vaccines work. For a long time the medical community was skeptical. I'm thinking the concept can eventually be applied to a lot more than just novel viruses. Why not develop mRNA which causes the body to make antibodies which kill different kinds of cancer cells, perhaps all kinds, so we have a universal cancer vaccine? It might take years to develop, but if it works we'll eliminate once of the major causes of premature death in modern societies.

    If so, we definitely need Elon to succeed with this Mars thing for more room! Population 3.6 to 7.9 billion in the past 50 years.

    Nice article about the history of mRNA here: https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/...d-vaccine-race
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    Good read. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ledbetter View Post
    Fewer complaints about Big Phama now.
    As a person that is required to take a pill costing $15,000 per month to live, you’ll NEVER hear me stop complaining about Big Pharma and how they’re in it for the money. EVER. Do even the simplest bit of research into Novartis and BMS or know someone taking one of their high priced drugs and you perhaps might not be so smug with your next post.
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    People say they want capitalism until it gets personal and then they’re socialists because the cost of saving their life is too expensive. This country has yet to figure out the balance. Also, without the financial motivation, would these drugs even have been conceived? For altruistic motivations? Sounds naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledbetter View Post
    People say they want capitalism until it gets personal and then they’re socialists because the cost of saving their life is too expensive. This country has yet to figure out the balance. Also, without the financial motivation, would these drugs even have been conceived? For altruistic motivations? Sounds naive.
    If they stopped having drug commercials, the cost of these drugs would be a lot less. Also, there's not much value in advertising prescription drugs to laypeople, and telling them to "ask their doctor". In fact, maybe we should allow doctors to bill drug companies for all the time they waste discussing a drug their patients saw advertised on TV.

    Another issue is the price charged for drugs often doesn't reflect the manufacturing cost and making a reasonable profit. Rather, it's charging whatever the market will bear. Yes, there's also the cost of R&D, but often the determinant of whether to even try to develop a new drug is based on how many people they can sell that drug to. Drugs which completely cure conditions after a few doses might not make the cut, whereas those which people have to take for life will. And then you have perverse incentives to keep drugs off the market which might cure a condition for which they weren't originally developed. Case in point is GS-441524. Gilead originally developed the drug to treat Ebola in the early 2010s. It has since been used in drugs like remdesivir to treat covid-19. Another use for the drug was discovered, namely to treat cats with FIP, which is normally close to 100% fatal. Despite thousands of people using black market versions of the drug to cure their cats of FIP, Gilead refuses to license the drug for veterinary use. I wonder how many other drugs suffered a similar fate, perhaps forcing people or animals to live with conditions which could have been cured.

    Finally, while some people are born with conditions which require drugs to stay alive, the vast majority of people taking drugs would no longer need them with simple lifestyle changes. The current system however favors expensive interventions over prevention or low-cost cures because there's no money in the latter two things. That's a failure of a for-profit system. A healthcare system paid for solely by taxes would favor prevention because doing so would reduce overall tax rates. Also, no reason government funded labs can't also do drug research, then manufacture and sell the drugs they develop at cost. Look at how many things came out of research NASA did, for example. Many of these things never would have been developed otherwise because the long-term profit potential was either non-existent or poor.
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    I had hoped this thread would remain on topic regarding light at the end of the pandemic tunnel and not go off on the usual tangents of the previous (closed) ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    I had hoped this thread would remain on topic regarding light at the end of the pandemic tunnel and not go off on the usual tangents of the previous (closed) ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    I had hoped this thread would remain on topic regarding light at the end of the pandemic tunnel and not go off on the usual tangents of the previous (closed) ones.

    IBC………
    Maybe the mods should put the side discussion about big pharma into another thread? I think it's a worthwhile topic, but probably doesn't belong in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtr1962 View Post
    Maybe the mods should put the side discussion about big pharma into another thread? I think it's a worthwhile topic, but probably doesn't belong in this thread.

    Probably better in the Underground, here: http://www.cpfunderground.com/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katherine Alicia View Post
    Probably better in the Underground, here: http://www.cpfunderground.com/index.html
    Or just avoid anything overtly political in our discussion. I'm more interested in how profit motives determine which drugs see the light of day, and which don't, as well as what's technically possible without those motivations. For example, by guaranteeing to purchase x doses of the vaccines, the government essentially covered any risk the drug companies were taking that the vaccine wouldn't work. The gamble paid off big time. Maybe we should do this for other conditions where drug companies might be on the fence if it's worth their while to develop a drug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ledbetter View Post
    People say they want capitalism until it gets personal and then they’re socialists because the cost of saving their life is too expensive. This country has yet to figure out the balance. Also, without the financial motivation, would these drugs even have been conceived? For altruistic motivations? Sounds naive.
    Not sure who you’ve talked to, but how apropos your last bit.
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    Well I`m booked to have my first shot on Monday, YAY!

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    Can't get it for me or my mother until they have mobile vaccination vans. My mother has zero mobility, and I can't leave her alone long enough to go to one of the vaccination sites and wait in line for hours. Not to mention doing that is a great way to expose myself to infection, given that mask wearing is becoming a lot more lax, even in NYC. So my game plan is when they have the vaccination vans I make an appointment, and they do both of us. If it's the two-dose vaccine I assume they'll automatically book us for the second shot some weeks later.

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