LEP discussion thread: (White laser flashlights)

ChibiM · Apr 1, 2021

Maybe it's time to get some discussion going on LEP flashlights here.
Here is a list of LEP flashlights that I know off, and many of them I own.

Name	LEP class	Claimed distance	Claimed Candela	My measurements:	Claimed lumens	Cell	Modes	Adjustable beam	Strobe	Year
Acebeam W10	Class 2M	1,000	250,000	-	250	21700	1	No	No	2018
Acebeam W10 gen II	Class 2M	1,217	370,272	496,000	450	21700	1	No	Yes	2019
Acebeam W30	Class 2M	2,400	1,440,000	1,312,000	500	21700	1	No	No	2019
Amutorch BT35	-	1,371	470,000	402,800	370	18650	2	No	No	2022
Amutorch BT55	N/A	2,898	2,100,000	-	600	21700	?	Yes	?	2021
Amutorch BT60	-	2,560	1,640,000	1,644,000	400	21700	2	No	No	2022
Astrolux WP1	N/A	1,000	250,000	-	480	21700	3	No	Yes + SOS	2020
Astrolux WP2	N/A	2,300	1,322,500	-	480	21700	3	No	Yes + SOS	2020
Astrolux WP3	-	2,900	2,180,000	2,412,000	562	21700	3	No	Yes	2021
Astrolux WP4	-	1,303	425,000	-	310	18650	2	No	Yes	2022
Fenix HT30R	Class 1	1,500	600,000	700,000	500	21700	2	No	Yes	2022
Fenix TK30	Class 3B	1,200	360,000	384,000	500	21700	2	No	Yes	2020
iTarlights WL20	-	3,000	200,000	-	580	21700*2	3	No	Yes	2022
iTarlights WL30	-	1,495	200,000	-	380	21700*2	3	No	Yes	2022
Jetbeam M1X WP-RX	Class 3B	2,300	1,322,500	2,280,000	480	21700	2	No	No	2019
Jetbeam RRT M1X Raptor	-	2,300	1,322,500	880,000	480	21700	3	No	Yes + SOS	2021
Jetbeam M2S WP-RX	Class 3B	**1,800	**810,000	345,200	480	21700	2	No	No	2019
Jetbeam RRT M2S Raptor	-	1,000	250,000	248,000	480	21700	3	No	Yes + SOS	2021
Loop SK01	-	1,600	640,000	350,000	910	18350	4	Yes	No	2023
Lumintop Ant Man	-	590	87,025	-	165	14500	1	No	No	2021
Lumintop Thor 1	-	1,200	342,000	356,000	400	18350	3	No	No	2021
Lumintop Thor 2	Class 3B	1,800	769,500	891,000	500	18350/18650	3	No	No	2021
Lumintop Thor 3	-	2,500	1,562,500	1,728,000	400	21700	2	No	No	2021
Lumintop Thor 4 (hybrid)	-	1,170	342,000	356,000	280	21700	5	No	No	2022
Lumintop Thor 5	-	1,200	360,000	-	370	18350	2	No	Yes,2	2022
Lumintop Thor PRO (Hybrid)	-	1,300	426,200	429,200	300	18650*4	5	No	No	2022
Mateminco FW2		1,390	483,000	440,000	350	18650	2	No	Yes	2022
Mateminco FW3 (hybrid)	-	1,356	460,000	284,000	255	21700	7	No	Yes	2022
Maxtoch Owleyes W PRO	-	4,000	4,000,000	3,995,000	1200	21700*2	3	No	No	2022
Maxtoch Xsword L2K	-	2,000	1,000,000	-	500	18650*2	3	No	No	2018
Maxtoch Xsword L2K (2021)	-	2,700	1,823,000	2,508,000	600	21700*2	3	No	No	2021
Maxtoch Xsword L2KD	-	3,200	2,560,000	3,051,000	650	21700*3	3	No	No	2022
Maxtoch Xsword L2KSD		3,200	2,560,000	-	650	21700	3	No	No	2023
Maxtoch Xsword L2Ks (short)	-	2,800	1,960,000	2,308,000	600	21700	3	No	No	2021
Maxtoch Xsword L3K	-	3,000	2,250,000	1,908,000	650	21700*2	3	No	No	2021
Maxtoch Xsword L3KS (short)	-	3,000	2,250,000	-	650	21700	3	No	No	2021
Maxtoch Xsword LA60	-	2,500	1,562,500	2,272,000	500	21700*2	3	Yes	No	2021
Maxtoch Xsword LA60S (short)	-	2,800	1,960,000	-	500	21700	3	Yes	No	2021
Natfire SF2	-	1,200	360,000	347,600	300	21700	3	No	Yes	2022
Nebo Luxtreme SL100 (hybrid)	-	1,600	640,000	676,000	280	21700*2	4	No	No	2022
Nextorch L10 Max	-	1,200	360,000	-	400	21700	3	No	Yes	2021
Nextorch T7L	Class 3B	1,100	302,500	428,000	400	18650	2	No	Yes	2019
Nextorch T10L	Class 3B	1,100	302,500	484,000	500	21700	3	No	Yes	2020
Nextorch T20L	Class 3B	2,000	1,000,000	1,284,000	900	21700	3	No	Yes + SOS	2021
Nitecore P35i (hybrid)	-	1,650	678,000	674,400	410	21700	5	No	Yes	2022
NlightD L1	-	2,408	1,449,616	1,940,000	500	21700	2	No	No	2022
Olight Odin Turbo	Class 1	1,050	275,625	368,000	330	21700	2	No	No	2021
Richfire SFC-039	-	500	-	-	-	21700	2	No	Yes + SOS	2021
Unbranded 26650 LEP	N/A	1,800	810,000	992,000	450	26650	1	No	Yes	2020
Weltool LH3 (head only)	Class 3B	886	196,249	-	335	18350/18650	1	No	No	2020
Weltool W1	-	836	175,000	-	630	18650	2	No	No	2022
Weltool W3	Class 3B	848	179,776	-	200	18650	2	No	No	2018
Weltool W3 PRO	Class 3B	1,205	363,006	363,600	505	21700	2	No	No	2020
Weltool W3 PRO Tac	Class 1	1,479	547,500	583,600	930	21700	1+1	No	Yes	2023
Weltool W35L/W65L	-	836	175,000	-	630	18650	1	No	No	2022
Weltool W4	Class 3B	2,670	1,782,225	2,184,000	560	21700	2	No	No	2020
Weltool W4 PRO	-	3,394	2,882,000	2,808,000	568	21700	2	No	No	2022
Weltool W4 PRO Tac	-	3,394	2,882,000	-	568	21700	2	No	Yes	2023
Weltool W5	N/A	2,807	1,970,000	1,716,000	599	2*22500/21700	2	No	No	2021

Here's a huge LEP comparison video:

And a picture of 54 of my LEPs

ChibiM · Apr 1, 2021

As a topic starter, I have the following ones:
- Acebeam W10 II
- Acebeam W30
- Astrolux WP2
- Fenix TK30
- Jetbeam M2S WP-RX
- Jetbeam M1X WP-RX
- Jetbeam RRT M1X Raptor
- Jetbeam RRT M2S Raptor
- Maxtoch Xsword L2K
- Nextorch T7L
- Nextorch T10L
- Unbranded 26650 LEP
- Weltool W3 PRO
- Weltool W4

If you have any questions about any of them, let me know.

thermal guy · Apr 1, 2021

Wow. That's a lot of LEP's! Been on the fence with getting one as there not really practical except for very special applications but would still love to see one with a led ring around the lep for general use.

Katherine Alicia · Apr 1, 2021

I have one and to be honest it`s not Really practical for everyday use (unless you like ceiling bounce), it can be a lot of fun outdoors at night for sky writing though, especially if someone else is doing similar a distance away

My HID gives a much wider beam at about the same brightness and distance and is Much easier to see.

archimedes · Apr 1, 2021

... moved to LEP forum ...

ChibiM · Apr 3, 2021

I think this is not the right place to have a discussion.. almost nobody visits this section on the site. It's not in a very convenient place, and hard to find. And you only find it if you really search for it. I think this "LEP" section was made too early before the topic became mainstream since it has only like 15 posts in 1 year. I would have kept it in the main flashlight discussion to get more interaction.

Edit: I was thinking about it, and if it was me, I would just put this section under 'Flashlights' which is a more proper place IMHO.

archimedes · Apr 3, 2021

Here's the thing ... if no one posts LEP discussion or topics in the LEP forum, then no one will visit the LEP forum, then no one will want to post in the LEP forum, then ....

https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/announcement.php?f=4&a=12

The "General" forum is only for topics that don't "fit" anywhere else more specific.

ChibiM · Apr 5, 2021

True,
but how about adding it to the main Flashlight overview?
That's a much more suitable place for flashlights. It's not a laser pointer, and not really 'beyond flashlights'. It's like going from incandescent to LED

it's just a new technology.

archimedes · Apr 5, 2021

ChibiM said:
True,
but how about adding it to the main Flashlight overview?
That's a much more suitable place for flashlights. It's not a laser pointer, and not really 'beyond flashlights'. It's like going from incandescent to LED it's just a new technology.

Mods do not determine the "structure" of the forum, that is an Admin function.

As such, your specific comments above more properly belong in "Questions / Problems / Suggestions"

I recall CPF staff having this discussion around the time of creating the LEP forum, with reasoning on both sides. I think that a sensible case was also advanced for listing LEP in the "Spotlight / HID" forum.

However, if I recall correctly, the thinking back then was that the relevant technology and applicable regulations were most "laser-like" than "flashlight-like"

Should you feel that ought to be reconsidered, or otherwise want to discuss, you are welcome to mention that over in Q / P / S

Katherine Alicia · Apr 5, 2021

I don`t think too many folks even have a LEP (or want one) TBH, with HIDs being only slightly more popular, so that will reduce the likelyhood of much discussion as well.

ChibiM · Apr 8, 2021

Thanks archimedes! I will do that!

archimedes · Apr 8, 2021

ChibiM said:
Thanks archimedes! I will do that!

Certainly, thanks

search_and_rescue · Sep 4, 2021

When the first LEP came out it was 350 lumens and 250Kcd. I was like, no thanks, I have a torch that does 780 lumens and 1.3Mcd (TN42VN Oslon Black). But then came the Mateminco FW1 and a nice Summer Sale. It was too good to turn down.

I like the LEP. Distance from Old Zoo picnic area parking spaces to Bee Rock peak is 583 yards. Mateminco FW1 lights it up like a Selfbuilt 100 yard beamshot with the Surefire UB3T:

Ericbc7 · Sep 4, 2021

Sky Lumen's 26650 lep is a great value and my first LEP!

3_gun · Sep 4, 2021

This has crossed my mind for use on a weapon light rather than as a flashlight. Not having a lot of spill outside of the area you're targeting sounds like a good idea + no short range spill limits your "footprint" if you're not hanging out a window [(like in the movies) hint that's NOT the way to do it if you want to live long] A laser sight might be better for my use. Still $$ is tight enough that it's down the list aways

PhotonWrangler · Sep 5, 2021

What is the power output of the blue pump laser in these lights?

search_and_rescue · Sep 12, 2021

PhotonWrangler said:
What is the power output of the blue pump laser in these lights?

Dear PhotonWrangler, I read Flashaholic's testing of the Mateminco FW1/Astrolux WP3 and he got 502 ANSI lumens, 1.84Mcd throw and 3.8 Amps of current at the tail on turbo.

zip · Sep 14, 2021

I think as the technology improves they will be more widely accepted/used. I have an Acebeam W-10 2nd gen for night walks. The spot to flood ratio works for me.
It will be fun to see how LEPs evolve.

Disneyman26 · Sep 15, 2021

I own the Sky Lumen light and like it. Which of the lights you listed has the farthest throw / highest lumen

javafool · Oct 8, 2021

Has anyone purchased a TK30 LEP as a non-lethal self defense tool?

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