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    Hi all, maybe it's just me, but I'm having a real hard time finding a good high cri light. I only have a couple cheap high cri AAA lights from BLF that have one mode. I'm looking for more of an EDC light that takes a AA, cr123, or an 18650.

    The ones that stick out real quickly after reading and searching on the forums are HDS and Zebralight. I do have a Zebralight sc600w III Hi in neutral, which I love, but the cri is like 80 or so. HDS confuses me. I was looking at a HDS rotary but it would not let me select that in high cri. I guess my questions about HDS are how would I get a rotary in high cri? Also, how would I justify paying over $300 at the least for lights that may be built like tanks yet only have up to 250-300 lumens? Zebralights are also built like tanks and so are Malkoffs but don't cost nearly what HDS does...

    From what I can see, for Zebralight the only high cri light available is the SC64c LE 18650 4000k high cri (I'm not really looking for an angle light).

    Am I limited to the one Zebralight, and nothing in hi cri from HDS? What about other brands? I'd like to stay under $100 (I know that's not possible with HDS and I might make an exception if I could get the rotary in high cri..), but what other brands/lights am I missing with hi cri and 4000-5000k? I have a ton of Olights, but none are high cri or even neutral white. I have a Lumintop tool AA but that's CW, and so is my other Zebralight, a sc62. Most of the high cri lights I see are AAA, but I'm not looking for a keychain light. If I did get a keychain light, the Rovyvon a8x with a nichia looks really nice, but I've read some reviews that make me question the reliability, and the charge ports seems like it would fail over time.

    Any advice is appreciated, thanks.

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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Look at this light spreadsheet from ZL... It'll show you the cri levels of their lights.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...=2&pli=1#gid=0

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    There is a "high CRI" checkbox under the "LED Color" filter in the flashlight database. Combined with your battery and budget preferences find 54 matches. Acebeam has a lot of compelling models with a high CRI option. TK16 and TK17 and TK18. The Emisar/Noctigon lights from INTL Outdoor are also very popular.
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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    The HDS emitter options are often being updated with new choices. They are a small shop so they buy in small quantities. So right now there may only certain things available but new emitters become options regularly. Check out the HDS subforum to see what is coming.

    If you want a more wallet friendly light, one of my favorites lately includes the Foursevens Quark 16650/2xAA. They come with a very lovely Nichia 319 and sport a fantastic beam pattern. The limited slate blue light is the one I have and it is outstanding for outdoor activities.

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    > what other brands/lights am I missing with hi cri and 4000-5000k?

    Lumintop Tool AA

    Manker E03 AA
    Sofirn SP10s
    Fireflies AA
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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Here is a thread discussing options:
    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...gh-CRI-options

    Light I have experience with:

    AA:
    Some EagTac models, but you have to look around as each dealer seems to have different stock.
    Convoy T2 for under $17 (I bought mine from a US dealer and got it in 4 days)

    cr123:
    EagTac models
    Convoy S2+ with 18350 body

    18650:
    Convoy S2+ (lots of LED options here)
    LuminTop Fw3A and similar models, Emisar D4v2 light running Anduril are super neat for a flashoholic, can start fires so not for muggles.
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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    I've personally bought several EagTac lights (D25A MkIIs and D25C MkIIs) in the past year, and they were available with a nice choice of emitters, as I wanted to sample some different emitters in decent, usable lights without spending a fortune. I specifically picked up some w/ >90 CRI (SST-20 and 219C - both 4000K), as I wanted to evaluate them for that specific reason. All were from stock from reliable U.S. distributor. All were far less than $100 ea. - closer to half that.

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    Jetbeam rrto1 with the Nichia 219c should do nicely. Rotary, 4000k and hi cri. I really like that they added a tail switch this year
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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Have the Nichia 219c become less green tinged? What about availability of that Nichia 300 something?

    I too ordered from illumination gear years ago, getting an Eag Tac with a good choice of emitter. In fact, ordered one with an SST-20 last night (thanks to this thread, and member aznsx in particular)

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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Emisar D4V2 with SST-20s at 4000k.

    93 IIRC.

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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Quote Originally Posted by KITROBASKIN View Post
    Have the Nichia 219c become less green tinged? What about availability of that Nichia 300 something?

    I too ordered from illumination gear years ago, getting an Eag Tac with a good choice of emitter. In fact, ordered one with an SST-20 last night (thanks to this thread, and member aznsx in particular)
    at 4000k colour temp theirs definitely no green in my rrt01. I havenít seen any green in a neutral tint nichia in years 🤷🏻*♂️
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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    I am not sure exactly what you are looking for and are limiting yourself to something such as cr123a support but these days high cri has been the easiest to obtain out of all history as most component manufactures are moving toward offering high(er) CRI as standard. This obviously trickles down to flashlights as the greater availably of LEDs that can be used.

    I would add that at the same time as high CRI there has also been the expansion of different CCTs available with High CRI. I have lights 1800k-6500k all high cri where as in the past you would be lucky to find 4000k only in high cri. My suggestion would be to broaden your search of manufacturers away from the big players that existed years ago and to also learn to mod your lights. The sky is the limit these days.

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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    There are some dealers that seem to specialize in High CRI models and I think they have some runs done by manufacturers with high CRI emitters put in them.

    Illumn is a good one. IlluminationGear is a good one.

    I got a Folomov light off Amazon with a Nichia 219d emitter because I never saw a 219d before, it is pretty warm colored and works pretty nice.

    There are a few brands on chinese websites Banggood and I think Alieexpress that have a choice of emitter. I'm not sure how high CRI the SST40 is.

    Some "other forums" seem to have good interest in high CRI, too. They organize special runs or group buys of lights with High CRI emitters.


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    I'm looking at the Jetbeam options, mainly the rrt01 and rrt03 in nichia. I really like the rrt03 with the triple nichia and the colors, and it seems to be compatible with 18500, CR123A and RCR123As. What do you all think about the rrt01 and the rrt03, is there any reason to go with the rrt01 over the 3?

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    RRT-03 has only 3 brightness levels and the lowest is not low enough for me.. not recommended

    RRT-01 has Infinitely Variable Stepless Rotary UI.. it is in a league apart
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    I think it's easier than ever nowdays to find high cri options. Look into emisar, noctigon, and fireflies.

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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Quote Originally Posted by TA_ls1 View Post
    ..., and nothing in hi cri from HDS?
    The current HCRI options @HDS are reserved for the Special metal Lights that will be sold in a few days / weeks. After that, the remainig LED will be available for normal HDS lights.
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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Battery Junction has a whole section called "High CRI Flashlights".
    There are currently 52 listed, but many of them seem to be some variety of RoxyVon keychain lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpentryHero View Post
    Jetbeam rrto1 with the Nichia 219c should do nicely. Rotary, 4000k and hi cri. I really like that they added a tail switch this year

    Only if you mod it.

    Jetbeam chose a 70-CRI Nichia 219c for the 2020 RRT-01. It looks pretty bad.

    However, if you are comfortable modding, it is not hard to emitter-swap it to a 90-CRI 219c. That's what I did with mine.
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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Quote Originally Posted by Fireclaw18 View Post
    Only if you mod it.

    Jetbeam chose a 70-CRI Nichia 219c for the 2020 RRT-01. It looks pretty bad.

    However, if you are comfortable modding, it is not hard to emitter-swap it to a 90-CRI 219c. That's what I did with mine.
    The tint in mine looks good, I definitely donít think it needs an emitter swap. Perhaps theirs still some tint lottery.
    I donít see it possibly being any less than 85 cri, maybe you got a mislabeled cool white ?

    Edit; I checked into it and the xpg3 is 80 cri and many complain of green tint, the Nichia is 90 cri
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    Wurkkos WK30 rated at 90.
    Very nice full flood beam with no artifacts or weird purple, yellow or green "highlights"
    Uses a 26650, 21700 or 18650 battery.

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    Default Re: So hard to find a good high cri light nowadays

    Right now I am currently looking into Noctigon, Sofirn, Lumintop, and Convoy. It is overwhelming, so many to choose from. I really liked the Jetbeam rrt03 except the fact the 85 lumens is the low held me back. I found a video where I really like the beam shots and am leaning towards a quad or triple emitter. A lot of lights I'm now looking at (Noctigon for example) have options for SST20 in 4000k. I hope that the SST20 is similar enough to the nichia 219c with both being at 4000k.

    First of all, the Noctigon KR4, as it shows on the website, the lens seem to be available in different colors (blue, sapphire, and purple in the picture on the site), how do I choose the color for that? I see I am able to select the body color and the LED (SST20 4000k 95 cri) but can I chose the lens color like in the pictures on the site?
    I've also seen the Emisar D4V2 mentioned a lot, what would be the reason to get that over the KR4?
    The Lumintop FW3A and FW3EL both look a lot like the KR4, with subtle differences I'm not seeing. What is the difference between the 3 and which is best?
    I'm not sure about the Sofirn. THe IF25A looks nice, but that's about all I can find from them with multiple emitters and high cri options unless I'm missing something.
    Am I missing anything else in similar to the ones I just listed that would be similar and around the same price with triple or quad high cri 4000k? Batteries I am flexible on but prefer 18650, cr123a, or even 18350.

    Thanks for your help

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    I dont know the weight of the D4Ö but I believe it lies in between the
    largest: kr4 ē Weight: 95g (without battery)
    and the smallest :fw3a Weight: 53g

    > the Noctigon KR4, as it shows on the website, the lens seem to be available in different colors (blue, sapphire, and purple in the picture on the site), how do I choose the color for that?

    you dont have to decide, those are additional auxiliary lights (in addition to the main LEDs) that you can choose to use at any color..
    the FW3a does not have aux lights, the D4 does

    all three lights are what I call Anduril Lights.. they share the same UI, which is very feature rich...
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    So between the Emisar D4V2 and the Noctigon KR4, which is better? It looks like both take the 18650 with optional 18350 tube, both seem to have the same emitter options, same UI, price is the same, only differences I notice are side switch vs rear clicky and a magnetic tailcap on the D4V2. Is one better/ more reliable than the other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_slider View Post
    I dont know the weight of the D4Ö but I believe it lies in between the
    largest: kr4 ē Weight: 95g (without battery)
    and the smallest :fw3a Weight: 53g

    > the Noctigon KR4, as it shows on the website, the lens seem to be available in different colors (blue, sapphire, and purple in the picture on the site), how do I choose the color for that?

    you dont have to decide, those are additional auxiliary lights (in addition to the main LEDs) that you can choose to use at any color..
    the FW3a does not have aux lights, the D4 does

    all three lights are what I call Anduril Lights.. they share the same UI, which is very feature rich...
    My D4V2 with standard non-magnetic tail cap and no cell, weighs 69.95 grams.

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    Check out the FourSevens Quark Mk. III on Darksucks.com. I have the QK16L which runs on a 16650 cell, but they make a similar model that runs on 2x AAA. The emitter is a Nichia 319A at 5000K/80+ CRI. It also has a aspheric lens kit for the light as an option. It is now my usual carry light for when I leave the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarpentryHero View Post
    The tint in mine looks good, I definitely donít think it needs an emitter swap. Perhaps theirs still some tint lottery.
    I donít see it possibly being any less than 85 cri, maybe you got a mislabeled cool white ?

    Edit; I checked into it and the xpg3 is 80 cri and many complain of green tint, the Nichia is 90 cri
    Quote Originally Posted by Fireclaw18 View Post
    Only if you mod it.

    Jetbeam chose a 70-CRI Nichia 219c for the 2020 RRT-01. It looks pretty bad.

    However, if you are comfortable modding, it is not hard to emitter-swap it to a 90-CRI 219c. That's what I did with mine.
    There seems to be a lot of conflicting information on this, including several posts on this forum. One post says it's high CRI followed by another that says no, it's not.

    Is there any real data on this? Is the 2020 RRT01 Nichia 219c high CRI or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingnog View Post
    Is the 2020 RRT01 Nichia 219c high CRI or not?
    The 219c in the 2020 RRT-01 is Not High CRI

    It has a
    CRI Ra of 70 and a
    CRI R9 of Negative 26, with a
    DUV (Tint above the BBL) of 0.0040..

    Quote Originally Posted by contactcr
    pic is a link to more details
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_slider View Post
    The 219c in the 2020 RRT-01 is Not High CRI

    It has a
    CRI Ra of 70 and a
    CRI R9 of Negative 26, with a
    DUV (Tint above the BBL) of 0.0040..


    pic is a link to more details
    No dog in this hunt, 'cause I couldn't use one of these if it had a CRI of 1000:-)

    There is good reason for confusion though, as I know one major U.S. distributor who currently lists it as 'CRI95'.
    Perhaps someone as clueless re: CRI as I am looked at an image like the one you posted, scanned for the letters 'CRI', and the first match they found was right above the '70.3' where it says 'CRI95' - and said "I'll go with that":-) Might have been someone who knows as little about it as I (admittedly) do. Figured I'd do the 'dummy test' for you, since I'm qualified!

    Edit: I just re-checked that distributor listing I referenced, and today it says '90+'. That might shoot my dummy theory, but the point remains: There's good reason for confusion.
    Last edited by aznsx; 04-14-2021 at 09:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aznsx View Post
    confusion.
    yes, everybody assumed that Nichia means High CRI

    Jetbeam did not specify the CRI.

    after it tested Low CRI, I felt it was intentionally misleading to capitalize on the Nichia branding.
    tacky marketing imo

    otoh, I have learned to swap LEDs.. so now I look at lights from a different perspective.. I want to know if they are modable..

    in the case of the RRT-01, yes, it can be disassembled and the LED modified (changed to high cri).
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