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    I bought a couple of "UVC Sanitizer Box" devices recently out of curiosity to see if the LEDs might be useful for other projects. This is a white plastic tub with a door that's marketed as something for sanitizing your cellphone, keys or other small objects. Put your phone inside, close the door and push the button to "sanitize" it in 5 minutes.

    The photos on the carton show an array of bluish LEDs running along both sides of the tub and imply that the device bathes your cellphone in UVC light.

    Upon close inspection I found that all of the LEDs look the same except for one larger metal encased one on the left side. The others are smaller ones with white plastic cases. Hmm.

    I unboxed a second unit and found the same thing. This wasn't a manufacturing fluke; they intended to have one LED that's somehow different from the rest of them. Could it be that only one of the LEDs is actually UVC and the rest are fake?

    It turns out that this is indeed the case. I used a UVC-detecting phosphor indicator and confirmed that this sanitizer contains exactly ONE actual UVC LED, and the rest are regular blue LEDs whose wavelength was carefully chosen to resemble the same visible color that's emitted by the actual UVC LED. This means that if you put your cellphone in thiis unit, it will only sanitize the upper left corner of the phone! The rest is just Covid sanitization theater.

    I wanted to give everyone a heads-up on this so you don't wind up fake-sanitizing your phones or other devicves. The SKU on the bottom of the carton is 7498603211,, Item # 03211 from TV Direct LLC, sold in the DIY chain that rhymes with petards for around $10.

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    Default Re: UVC Sanitizer Box - mostly fake

    Good to know, thank you.
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    From wikipedia:

    "Hoist with his own petard" is a phrase from a speech in William Shakespeare's play Hamlet that has become proverbial. The phrase's meaning is literally that a bomb-maker is blown up ("hoist" off the ground) by his own bomb (a "petard" is a small explosive device), and indicates an ironic reversal, or poetic justice.










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    Thanks Kitrobaskin. I couldn't think of another two syllable word that rhymed as well. No hidden meaning intended for the store chain!

    **Edit**
    Ok, it also rhymes with Bernard's. I'll use this going forward.
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    PW, your posts are always appreciated.
    Having heard the 'hoist petard' phrase in the past, I thought petard might be trousers or underwear or something.

    Would you consider that the inside of these sanitizer boxes might somehow reflect the UVC emissions, thereby exposing more of the object to the waves?

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    Thank you for your kind words, Kitrobaskin.

    The inside of the box is white plastic. I will conduct an experiment to look at reflections and post my findings here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotonWrangler View Post
    I bought a couple of "UVC Sanitizer Box" devices recently out of curiosity to see if the LEDs might be useful for other projects. This is a white plastic tub with a door that's marketed as something for sanitizing your cellphone, keys or other small objects. Put your phone inside, close the door and push the button to "sanitize" it in 5 minutes.

    The photos on the carton show an array of bluish LEDs running along both sides of the tub and imply that the device bathes your cellphone in UVC light.

    Upon close inspection I found that all of the LEDs look the same except for one larger metal encased one on the left side. The others are smaller ones with white plastic cases. Hmm.
    Good piece of detective work...thanks. I noticed these products in a number of stores generally in the range of $25-$40 or more but was suspicious by the lack of meaningful specs on the packaging, and some dubious claims.

    Based on reading about UV-C LEDs they have very low efficiency for a number of reasons, no doubt cost a lot more than regular visible LEDs, and not likely to find a whole bunch of them in a low-cost consumer product.

    BTW which phosphor(s) work for UV-C versus near-UV? I imagine some specific minerals would work, if you have them.

    Digressing a bit, there are line-powered LED near-UV bulbs out there claiming germicidal properties but rather vague on that, and not claiming COVID specifically, which we know near-UV is not good for. One is even "dual-mode" with regular visible light, with one vague warning about eye exposure. Lots of opportunistic products to be wary of.

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    I'm pretty sure we all had the feeling this was the case. Nonetheless, thank you for confirming our suspicions PhotonWrangler.
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    Default Re: UVC Sanitizer Box - mostly fake

    Update -

    It looks like the single UVC LED is a dual wavelength UVC/UVA unit with two separate emitters in it, one for UVC and the other for UVA. The other LEDs in the unit appear to be just UVA, which can kill some bacteria but cannot deactivate Covid or other viruses. I have not identified the UVA part yet.

    The UVC led appears to be a "3535 UVC UVA" part. The link includes a photo of the sanitizer box in question.
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