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    Friday May 7, 2021
    A U.S. oil pipeline company just got shut down from a cyberattack.
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    A U.S. oil pipeline company just got shut down from a cyberattack. The pipeline shut down brings oil to 50 million people on the east coast. Make sure you guys have fuel for those generators. If some of those east coast power plants use the same fuel piped in, we may eventually have blackouts if supply runs low and they don't stop the cyberattack. Take this as a warning to be prepared. Cyberattacks are going after critical infrastructure now. It's a good time to update your preps and make sure you're good in all areas. We never know what will happen next.
    It was reported that Colonial Pipe line supplies 45% of all refined petroleum to the East Coast from Texas to including New Jersey, and it was shut down. Living on the East coast, and remembering the 3 hours gas lines from Super Storm Sandy, I alerted family and close friends, of possible impending fuel shortages.

    Hopefully this particular attack is quickly resolved, and it is just a further warning of potential threats that will be worked on to defend against.
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    W_O_W ! ! !

    Thank you for the info.

    I hadn't heard of this . . . .



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    I think for the most part EMP attacks are pretty much not an issue as likely anyone attacking us using such a weapon would not likely be zealous terrorists as they would rather blow up people causing death and damage while EMP just destroys electronics and likely military targets are already somewhat protected from them. In other words to be hit by an EMP you likely would be a target of a nuke and if you are in the range of a bomb like that not having the use of electronics would be less of and issue vs death and potential death from fallout.
    Unless we have WWIII or something on that scale likely only one bomb site would have an EMP attack and the rest of the nation would be unharmed by it and thus in a short time in areas deemed safe help would be flooding massively in from across the country. If you were far enough outside the blast range to not be physically hurt by the initial explosion (not the radiation) then you may need new electronic stuff.

    As for utilities and energy sources being cyber attacked, expect it to happen more and more as time progresses as sadly more and more things are dependent on the internet for data transmission leading to a lot more easily hacking by people anywhere in the world. The internet is good but some things should never be connected to it.... ever and sadly stupid people in charge of major corporations are doing just that.
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    EMP gens needn`t be very big at all or cause an explosion much more than a grenade (if any), a simple flux compression generator can do a lot of local damage and fit in a breifcase, this isn`t Sci-Fi either, the tech exists now.

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    I know the EMP attack would cause more destruction especially due to the impact on all electronics and long term effects, but this attack just proves, to me, the cyber attacks are a very “real” threat.

    Just some quick online searches will produce articles on tons of cyber probing events into various government, military and commercial systems. These are targeted attacks to test weakness and gain information. Consolidate the information gained from the various probes and a destructive cyber attack could be launched.

    Now, consider that the same electronic controllers and software are used for numerous utilities (gas, water, electrical) throughout the country. If I remember correctly, a couple years ago there were explosions in houses in Massachusetts because of an electrical issue with a gas company control system.

    What happens if there were a coordinated cyber attack on electronic control systems for gas, electric and water in various areas.

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    It's funny (actually not at all) when these things happen, to see how in-depth the news coverage goes. Detailed workings, what-if's, vulnerabilities, interviews with experts, etc.

    Terrorists must be watching, thinking "oh yeah? hey, why didn't I think of that!"
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    One issue with the drumbeat of security issues with utilities and industrial sites revolve around SCADA systems, which in spite of best practices tend to be exposed to the internet when they're either explicitly designed not to be or have poor security due to the complexities of key management. Toss in a huge slice of the hardware being in use well past its sell by date and these issues will continue to pop up for many years to come.

    My father works for a company that's guilty of this. The PLCs in numerous facilities are decades old now, predating the concept of an online manufacturing facility. It takes a number of clever hacks to get them to respond to external commands - be they queries or process control - which by design originate from hardwired local controls. Said local controls have been extended after the fact to interface with computer workstations - all of which are also internet-connected and thus all potential points of entry to the plant's backbone of PLCs. Instead of implementing hardened read-only reporting servers recording all data the PLC can report that analysts can query for whatever they think is interesting, the business has chosen to implement a simpler and cheaper gateways at each site that interface directly with the PLCs - meaning a possibly exciting life if anyone learns enough about it to poke it from the outside.

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    I am not aware of any credible evidence that the pipeline attack was an EMP attack. Such an attack would be indiscriminate and the surroundings would be full of completely unrelated and now non functional electronics.
    Streets blocked with non functional vehicles-not reported*
    No cellphone service-not reported*
    Dead PCs-not reported*

    The incident would appear to be a conventional computer hacking attack, done for financial or other gain.
    It is indeed worrying that such an important facility was vulnerable.

    *by this I mean not reported in any exceptional numbers. Motor vehicles, cellphones and infrastructure, and PCs fail all the time, but there are NO credible reports of any exceptional numbers of such failures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broadgage View Post
    I am not aware of any credible evidence that the pipeline attack was an EMP attack.
    Nor am I, nor is anyone speaking to this with regards to present events but rather as a hypothetical possibility in the future.
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    If these corporations looked farther ahead than the next quarterly profit numbers, maybe they would invest in their hardware and personnel so this wouldn’t happen so easily.
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    "One Second After" by William Forstchen is a great read (fiction) on EMP if you don't want to sleep well for a while.
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    The pipeline is pretty big. It stores a lot of gasoline in the trunk line itself. It feeds tank farms at several locations. Now if people stay cool they'll never see any interuptions. But if it turns into another toilet paper/red baron frozen pizza scare……
    Well we shall see I suppose.

    I worked in a town with a tank farm. It was 50-6 million gallon gasoline tanks. An ice storm such off power in a 300 mile radius so until the pumps were up and running again there was a huge line of gasoline tanker trucks waiting. Up to that point I did not know that Exxon, Shell, Texaco, Sheetz etc trucks all carried fuel to their filling stations from the same supply tank.

    On the other side of the town was 2 big tanks. I asked a local what they are, diesel? He said "nah, those are missile silos in case the Russians push the button" like it was no big thing.
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    It's highly probable that someone in the pipeline company's network fell for a phishing link. A portion of an organization's attack surface is comprised of humans who haven't been adequately trained on what they shouldn't click on.

    And on the EMP angle, an attack of this type can take out routers, switches and other electronics but it won't methodically encrypt or delete hard drive data. Routers and switches can be replaced with minimal data loss but you can't say the same for hard drives. And along these lines, SSDs are much more vulnerable to EMPs than electromechanical drives - at least the physical discs themselves. If backups aren't available, a hard disc whose controller has been blown by an EMP can still have it's platters transferred to another unit and it's data recovered. Not easy or cheap but possible.

    It's far easier for a threat actor to go after the network though, especially since it can be done from another part of the world, and with very little investment in hardware.

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    The FBI has named a hacker group Darkside as the culprits behind the pipeline hack. Virginia is reporting that 5% of gas stations are empty and rising. North Carolina declared a state of emergency over the pipeline outage. The President issued an emergency declaration in Washington, D.C. and 17 states. Line 4 of the pipeline which runs from Greensboro, North Carolina to Woodbine, Maryland is temporarily operating under manual control. Some of the fuel is now getting trucked in to limit the effects of the outage. Time to gas up those vehicles while you can and fill up those spare gas cans. They found out the group responsible, but that doesn't mean they have any names of individuals they can arrest or any way to stop the hack just yet. The company is hoping to be back in business by the end of the week, but we'll see. Now that hackers know they can get into these types of systems, these types of hacks are more likely in the future, especially if someone can get away with it without getting caught and get paid the ransom.
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    The question is more why a pipeline control has a connection to the internet.

    It is the same thing like it is for waterworks, power plants, ... In general essential infrastructure should not be connected to the internet at all, since there is no way to keep systems connected to the internet safe. That is a fact. Each existing operating system has bugs in the code that makes the system weak for hackers...
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    Hooked on fenix,
    Thanks for the update on the Colonial pipeline.

    I vaguely recall reading a couple of years ago that a small dam in a neighboring community was taken off line. I don't recall the threat, but it was going to be operated manually.

    I'm glad to see that at least some, if not all of the Colonial pipe is capable of being operated manually.

    BTW, I changed the title to include EMP EVENT to include preparation for Solar Flares in the discussion.
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    it`s just mankinds latest fad, the same thing happened when electricity became readily available you could buy all sorts of "snake oil" gadgets that could perform miricles, it also happened with Radium for a while! (my grandmother used to drink Radium water). It`s not a new phenomenon, the idiocy of humanity knows few bounds.
    We have Chips in Everything now (even pregnancy tests! LOL), and now it`s all about `The Internet of things` and connecting all the crap together (and then becoming reliant on it ) it`s all just a slow motion trainwreck really.
    But as long as they can make (or save) a few dollars and have some poor sap to take the blame so they can make a quick getaway, it will continue.

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    +

    Go back a couple months,
    how do you make the Keystone Pipeline look essential for national security energy & oil reserves.

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    This is part of why I keep saying that the transition to renewables is vital to national security. It distributes the production and storage of energy across the entire country. There won't be the equivalent of a massive pipeline or refinery or or ports or tankers to target. Instead a whole bunch of smaller solar/wind/battery facilities. The grid interconnects would be the only large targets but they are optional and the grid can function (less efficiently) without them if they go down.

    Of course being heavily distributed does mean that there are many more opportunities for trouble. But since everything is smaller it is also much easier to work around any problems. If a town's massive battery gets hacked and taken offline then there are still options. Use the grid exactly the same as we do now for example.

    It would also be possible to simply roll in trailers of batteries (normally used for big concerts or whatever) into town for a few days while fixing the the local grid. Though this is only just barely possible right now. A tractor trailer full of present day batteries could carry 4MWh of batteries. That 1 truck could power 130 homes for 24 hours. So we'd need a lot of trucks.
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    I think one issue with a pipeline going down is that tanker truck drivers are in huge demand because during the Covid shutdowns a lot of them had no work due to very low fuel usage and they shifted to either other types of truck driving or other careers. With a shortage of tanker truck drivers a downed pipeline can be an issue. I think that some of the keystone pipeline is supported by tanker trucks now because it was stopped from being completed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Arc View Post
    I think one issue with a pipeline going down is that tanker truck drivers are in huge demand because during the Covid shutdowns a lot of them had no work due to very low fuel usage and they shifted to either other types of truck driving or other careers. With a shortage of tanker truck drivers a downed pipeline can be an issue. I think that some of the keystone pipeline is supported by tanker trucks now because it was stopped from being completed.

    We're also looking at Line 5 to be shut down that runs under the straits of Mackinac. The governor's deadline for shutdown is tomorrow but Enbridge isn't budging. If it is shut down, that will also require tanker trucks crossing over the bridge. Or a barge.

    Ironically, after processing, a lot will be sent right back up to the UP where so many use propane for their homes. It's like a bad comedy routine.
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    Tanker truck drivers require more training than regular semitruck drivers and yes, there is a shortage of them due to Covid. Doesn't help that people have been making as much money on unemployment as they would be working so there is no incentive for people to work or get training to become tanker truck drivers. With the U.S. now dead set on eliminating carbon producing fuels, many truck drivers are retiring or finding a different line of work that isn't being phased out of existence.

    As far as replacing fossil fuels with renewables, it's not going to happen, at least for another 30 years, despite 2035 or 2040 being a deadline to go 100% green in some areas. It takes awhile to build nuclear power plants and that is the only green energy source remotely capable of replacing fossil fuel power plants and simultaneously powering electric cars. If you think you can get enough solar panels and wind turbines to replace the energy to run millions of cars, you'll be better off going back to riding a horse. Wind and solar are not continuous sources of power and require nuclear or fuel power plants to pick up the slack when they're off line. Without that, you don't have a stable electrical grid. When there is a rolling blackout, grid tied solar on homes is shut down so you lose even more generating capacity than you would otherwise. I'm not against solar and wind, but I am against putting all of our eggs in one basket. A diverse basket of types of power generation makes the grid more robust against heat, cold, snow, physical attacks, and cyberattacks. I think the recent weather event in Texas has shown us how useless solar is in snow and types of power generation that can't be weatherized should be limited.

    I think some of the technology like batteries, solar, wind, etc. need more time to mature, come down in price, and made to work in harsher environments before they can be trusted to replace fossil fuels. These technologies actually require fossil fuels to make them (try making wire without plastic insulation). They are limited in temperature range. My sister drove a hybrid Prius on her wedding day and it shut down leaving her stranded. Hybrid batteries don't work in 110 degree weather. These technologies require microchips to control which are in short supply and rare earth metals which are mostly controlled by China. Making power generation dependent on a foreign adversary is a nonstarter for our military bases and a breach of national security.

    I think we can eventually replace most of our fossil fuel use with renewables, but not at the rate those in power want. We need nuclear for the transition to work, we need further advancements in graphene technology to speed up charging for electric cars to replace gas vehicles, and we need a serious overhaul of our transmission system to increase the amount of power that can be sent to power not just buildings but millions of electric cars. This will take time to build the infrastructure to strengthen and harden the grid to the point that it is reliable without fossil fuels. Eliminating fossil fuels too early without all of these steps in place will guarantee a collapse of the system. The greatest threat to our power grid is stupidity and shortsightedness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorOfLight View Post
    The question is more why a pipeline control has a connection to the internet.

    It is the same thing like it is for waterworks, power plants, ... In general essential infrastructure should not be connected to the internet at all, since there is no way to keep systems connected to the internet safe. That is a fact. Each existing operating system has bugs in the code that makes the system weak for hackers...
    +1000. I totally agree that essential infrastructure should not be connected to the Internet, period. What you lose in convenience you more than gain in security.

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    This is part of why I keep saying that the transition to renewables is vital to national security. It distributes the production and storage of energy across the entire country. There won't be the equivalent of a massive pipeline or refinery or or ports or tankers to target. Instead a whole bunch of smaller solar/wind/battery facilities. The grid interconnects would be the only large targets but they are optional and the grid can function (less efficiently) without them if they go down.

    Of course being heavily distributed does mean that there are many more opportunities for trouble. But since everything is smaller it is also much easier to work around any problems. If a town's massive battery gets hacked and taken offline then there are still options. Use the grid exactly the same as we do now for example.

    It would also be possible to simply roll in trailers of batteries (normally used for big concerts or whatever) into town for a few days while fixing the the local grid. Though this is only just barely possible right now. A tractor trailer full of present day batteries could carry 4MWh of batteries. That 1 truck could power 130 homes for 24 hours. So we'd need a lot of trucks.
    Yep. Yet another reason to transition to renewables. Also, that will give us some immunity to the huge price swings which happen with fossil fuel-based energy sources.

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    Tanker truck drivers require more training than regular semitruck drivers and yes, there is a shortage of them due to Covid. Doesn't help that people have been making as much money on unemployment as they would be working so there is no incentive for people to work or get training to become tanker truck drivers. With the U.S. now dead set on eliminating carbon producing fuels, many truck drivers are retiring or finding a different line of work that isn't being phased out of existence.
    Last I checked the pandemic is far from over. People don't want to work because they can still catch covid. That's why we have extra unemployment benefits. A person shouldn't have to decide between paying their bills and potentially dying. When the pandemic is well and truly over, meaning a handful of new cases each week in the entire country, then people will be more than happy to return to work.


    As far as replacing fossil fuels with renewables, it's not going to happen, at least for another 30 years, despite 2035 or 2040 being a deadline to go 100% green in some areas. It takes awhile to build nuclear power plants and that is the only green energy source remotely capable of replacing fossil fuel power plants and simultaneously powering electric cars. If you think you can get enough solar panels and wind turbines to replace the energy to run millions of cars, you'll be better off going back to riding a horse. Wind and solar are not continuous sources of power and require nuclear or fuel power plants to pick up the slack when they're off line. Without that, you don't have a stable electrical grid.
    Ever heard of batteries? The problems with solar and wind are well known, down to the amount of installed battery storage needed to ensure they're "continuous" to the end user. We're working on non-lithium batteries for grid storage so we're not affected by any potential lithium shortages. Also, a fair amount of baseline power is already renewables which generate on a continuous basis (i.e. hydroelectric, nuclear) Those can cover a lot of baseline usage. Then we have fusion which finally looks like it will be commercially viable in the 10 to 20 year time frame. Bottom line is going 100% is easily possible by 2035 or 2040.

    When there is a rolling blackout, grid tied solar on homes is shut down so you lose even more generating capacity than you would otherwise.

    It doesn't have to be that way. A simple relay to disconnect from the grid when the grid is down allows solar to continue powering the home. If the home has battery backup then it can even have power when the grid is down and the sun isn't shining.

    I'm not against solar and wind, but I am against putting all of our eggs in one basket.
    We're not. Besides the list above, there's also wave power and geothermal. If anything, with the transition to renewables the grid will be far more diverse than now. I've been studying this for years. We can transition by 2035 to 2040. It won't be easy, but it's possible with current and foreseeable future technologies. Commercial fusion will make things even easier, but even if we never develop fusion the transition can take place within 20 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabe1 View Post
    If these corporations looked farther ahead than the next quarterly profit numbers, maybe they would invest in their hardware and personnel so this wouldn’t happen so easily.
    Short-term thinking has been a problem for a long time now. For example, I've heard if the freight railroads electrified in the long term they would be more profitable but no CEO wants to take the hit for electrification under their tenure. It's much the same with the grid, tank farms, etc. Upgrades are a short term loss but many pay for themselves eventually. The problem is the 10 or 20 or 30 year time frame over which that happens.

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    Ever heard of batteries? The problems with solar and wind are well known, down to the amount of installed battery storage needed to ensure they're "continuous" to the end user. We're working on non-lithium batteries for grid storage so we're not affected by any potential lithium shortages. Also, a fair amount of baseline power is already renewables which generate on a continuous basis (i.e. hydroelectric, nuclear) Those can cover a lot of baseline usage. Then we have fusion which finally looks like it will be commercially viable in the 10 to 20 year time frame. Bottom line is going 100% is easily possible by 2035 or 2040.
    Yes I've heard of batteries. That's why I mentioned graphene for electric cars. That technology is just starting to show up in li-ion batteries and has the potential to shorten charge time similar to that of filling up your car with a tank of gas. However, as I mentioned, batteries have their temperature limits that will not be able to totally replace fuel sources that work during cold winters and hot summers. Fusion may be 10 to 20 years away, but that doesn't mean a power plant will instantly materialize. Past nuclear power plants took 7-10 years to build. New ones can be built in as little as 5 years. If fusion takes 20 years, that puts the first plants built after 2046. In California, we are down to one aging nuclear plant that will be decommissioned in a few years. Some of our natural gas plants are being phased out as well. Hydroelectric near our northern border is being destroyed to save the salmon. Hetch Hetchy Hydroelectric Dam near Yosemite is scheduled for destruction as well. Oroville Dam almost fell apart a few years ago. Our electric infrastructure is crumbling. PG&E has a 100+ year backlog on repairs for transmission lines. Do you think we can replace all of this lost capacity and transmission lines, update it to a smarter grid, and increase capacity to handle the electric cars for nearly 40 million people in 14 years? I don't think so. Not with the attitude Californians have with power plants (Not in my backyard). Solar is a mess in California. I have it at home. You get grid tied solar to get the tax credits to reduce your bill or pay a solar company monthly for panels they own. Few homes invest in battery backup and you're usually locked into a contract that limits you to a battery system that the company makes. No Tesla Powerwalls or Generac systems that actually work well allowed. Do you know what types of birds are around Primm, Nevada? Just the roasted kind. The Solar plant there is a deathray for birds. We have a long way to go to sustainable clean energy and burning our bridges to get there isn't helping. If you think we can get it done by 2035, that's your opinion. I hope you're right. I just hope it doesn't screw up our economy, or leave us vulnerable to attack to get there. Seems like it already is.
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    Wonder what the likelyhood the Colonial hack was made possible by somebody clicking on a link for a free phone or something……
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    Wonder what the likelyhood the Colonial hack was made possible by somebody clicking on a link for a free phone or something……
    Yup.

    The group probably didn't seek out a pipeline to shutdown. In addition, if I read the press releases correctly, they didn't actually shutdown the pipeline itself, but their actions so crippled the rest of the company that they shut it down out of prudence to avoid a possible disaster while they got the bulk of IT back online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Wonder what the likelyhood the Colonial hack was made possible by somebody clicking on a link for a free phone or something……

    I could be wrong, but I think something like that initiated the Stuxnet code in Iran. I don't believe it was connected online so someone inserted a USB drive, maybe one they found. Curiosity killed the cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bykfixer View Post
    Wonder what the likelyhood the Colonial hack was made possible by somebody clicking on a link for a free phone or something……
    A couple years ago a bunch of contractors were let go at my workplace with surprisingly short notice.

    Not too long afterwards I started getting these surprisingly well-directed phone calls to my work phone where the caller knew my name, company, job title asking if I'd be interested in a 'whitepaper' on some generic marginally-relevant subject to my industry (telecom) if I could please just provide my email address. Knowing that the 'whitepaper' I'd be likely to receive would be [filename].pdf.msi or something not at all suspect I declined to provide additional information.

    Suspect that one of the contractors being let go gathered up all the contact information they could their last days and sold it to scammers since the pattern seemed to be everyone they had interacted with via email.
    Last edited by idleprocess; 05-12-2021 at 07:34 AM.
    I apologize that this letter is so long; I did not have time to write a short letter

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    Texas may have the last laugh with being independent on power grid,
    along with the new legislation banning any outside software control of utilities.

    There may need to be some clarification on this, but this concept Texas put forth on utility 'security' needs to be looked at by other states.

    ^ this was from before the Colonial deal.

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