Weapon Mount for Pelican M6.

Does anybody knows if there is a pelican m6 accessory for a glock 19?
or in another case, can anybody recomend me a weapon mounted light, not too expensive?

Here's a mount for your Pelican M6 for $25
Fobus

And here's a complete light for $89
M3

And here's a 5W LED light for your gun for $189
X200

thanks!!!

The X200A features a LuxeonIII.

Here is a beamshot of the X200A and the Insight M-3:


Here is a photo of the X200A mounted on a Glock 19:


Al

Hmmm....no offense meant to Al, but that beamshot is a little misleading IMHO. I have an ITI M6, ITI M2, and an X200. The M6 is basically the same light as the M3 but with a laser sight added to the bottom of the housing. The M2 is specifically made for the HK USP, with a few extra features vs the M3 but uses the same bulb etc. The M6/M3/M2 put out a few more lumens than the X200 based on my eyeball method of measurement. They also have more throw and more spill light than the X200. The X200 has a brighter hotspot at normal handgun shooting distances, but much less spill. The beauty of the X200 is in it's size and shape, superior form factor, workmanship and materials, durability, aesthetics, and warranty. That beam shot looks like the M3 is on dying batteries and out of focus. I can focus my M2/M6 to within 95% of the quality of a Surefire P60 beam, with more output in lumens (like a scorpion).

So, which would I choose? If cost isn't a factor, I'd choose the X200, mainly because there's less chance of a malfunction when your life depends on it, due to the LED vs an incandescent bulb, and it's superior workmanship and materials. However, the M3 will illuminate a big livingroom better. You can almost aim the gun with the intense hotspot of the X200 though. I guess it depends how you're going to use the light. My ITI's have never failed once, but then again I don't use them everyday and I'm not in law enforcement so they haven't been put to the "test" really.

You have made some good points that I agree with (and some that I question)

The Beam of the X200A is intense and tight (It is a superb example of what can be done with an LED in such a tiny bezel). I would also agree that it has less Lumens then the 'standard' "two-SF123A incandescent" with a 60 minute runtime.

The X200A kinda goes against the "SureFire beam" though in terms of light distribution. The P60 will do a much better job of normal conditions illumination then the X200A. The P60 also outperforms the Insight M-3 beam but the Nitrolon WeaponLights are not as small nor light-weight as the Insight models. They require an adapter rail in many cases unless you modify the gun and light.

The fact that the Insight models can be defocused is a major disadvantage - even liability. I have been told and I've read as well as seen that in order to obtain a reasonable beam from an Insight light - the bezel sometimes has to be taped on because it's almost unscrewed.
The reliability issues of the Insight models are horrifying when you consider that people are trusting lives to these.
Some have been lucky. From what I've gathered there is wave of being burnt for having taken the cheaper option and going with the M-3 over a SureFire. It coud also be SureFire's fault for not offering a quality light for the mass-market - the market that the M-3 (etc) is aimed for.
SureFire tends to make tools of the specialists in my opinion.

I've never heard that the Insight beam is higher output then a SureFire P60. The opposite in fact is the case (even by those who like them). But there you go. The P60 beam is brighter for longer I've heard.

The X200A beam is ideal for use in smoke or gas etc. Not typical public sector situations granted but is a handgun WeaponLight really intended for searching or does a handheld TacticalLight do a better job with the handgun WeaponLight used for target illumination? I don't know. I guess you could ask people who have used WeaponLights for real.

The regulated extended runtime of the X200A means that the light output does not dim like unregulated models do (including SureFire models). This means more useful practical quality light out of the X200A which has to be worth something?

At this point I'd like to mention two things:
1) The beamshot is not mine and I did not play a part in it.

2) Use of a WeaponLight without instruction, training and practice is very risky. There are many experienced users who would never use a handgun light. Those with active experience of them usually have had training for the best ways to use them.

Using a "tactical light" such the Pelican M-6 (PM6) or a SureFire is a more flexible and better regarded method I believe. I suggest that you get yourself another PM6 or something like a SureFire G2Z (always have a backup) and spend the money that the X200A costs on a lowlight training course and lowlight range time.

Lastly, I'm the first to admit I have no practical experience of what I speak. I'm passing on information gathered over the years. I urge you to contact experienced users for their assistance. There are other forums then CPF with a higher density of experienced users. For example:
GlockTalk
Strategos Forum
LightFighter
TheHighRoad
WarriorTalk
HKPro
SigForum
1911Forum

I hope that my post inspires questions and the desire to seek more opinions and views on this subject.

Al /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Al, I agree with pretty much everything you said. Low light tactics are best left to professionals. And most of the true pro's choose Surefire over ITI for reliability reasons.

I took a course and learned a lot, but still have a lot to learn and little time to practice. When something goes bump in the night in my house I like to have one hand free to open doors, turn on lights, call 911 etc. so I use a weapon light as opposed to a weapon and a separate light. I bounce the light off the ceiling to illuminate dark rooms. The M2 does a better job for me in this particular regard, so far. When carrying a gun outside the home day to day I use a smaller gun and carry a separate light.

As far as pitting an M2/M3 against a P60, a well focused M2 will match or beat the output, with almost as good a beam, at least with the ones I've tried (similar to a scorpion vs P60). The M2/M3 bulb life is significantly less than a P60, and therein lies part of the tradeoff. I agree that having a focus feature on a weaponlight is counterproductive, a flip up beamshaper would make much more sense. And the M2 will need to be refocused after 100 rounds or so. Some people get theirs focused in the way they like it then put a little piece of tape on the bezel to keep it in that exact focus while shooting 100's of rounds. My bezel is nowhere near falling off when in a tight "Surefire like" focus pattern, and it is tight and difficult to turn, not at all like a focusable flashlight. Interestingly, the X200 with an e series beamshaper on it makes it a better weaponlight for my particular - in home - bump in the night usage. Time will tell I guess. Hopefully it will never be put to a real life or death test.

The X200 is certainly an engineering marvel and I'll leave it up to the pro's to use it for a year or two and then read their opinions as you do. I've seen your posts on some of those forums, the Surefire guru /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif. It's good to see you there too to keep the Surefire facts straight and provide valuable info. They have some knowlegable people there, but also lots of armchair warriors with no real world combat/LE experience too. Just a lot of range time and classes (like me).

I've only had my X200 a couple of weeks now so I really only have intial impressions so far. I may change my opinions as time goes by. It also hasn't seen much range use yet. It sure is fun to use as an EDC light though. Don't get me wrong, I really like the light, but for the average armed citizen/homeowner, it may not be the best "bump in the night" weaponlight. For LE however, it will probably take over the handgun light market from ITI/Streamlight. The only thing holding Surefire back in the past was the huge size and bulky add-on rails. They always had the reliability edge.

Exactly what is the lumen rating of an X200?? I hear it has an extremely tight beam and throw. It would be nice if SF could make a handheld version of this weapon light. Was just looking for tac light for my Sig. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif

Mine doesn't have a lumen rating anywhere on the packaging or papers. It's a really tight, square shaped beam, with good throw. If I had to guess, I'd say 50 lumens on mine. It would look good on a Sig. I wish my 229 had rails. Are you using it as a home defense weapon only or carry? Which Sig? The X200 is noticably smaller overall than the ITI's.

It will be used on a Sig 226 and will be used for one of "many" home defenses. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I think any of the above mentioned lights would be good for that role. Depends on your budget and beam preference.