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    Default I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    I want to make me a HID Spotlight.

    Could someone please post a list of things i should buy off of ebay to make the light.

    I would probably use the Thor for the Host, but I just need to know what to buy. I heard a d2s bulb is what i need. But i know i need a ballast as well. But then... what powers the ballast.

    Does the battery in the THOR power the ballast?

    Please help me...

    Thanks.

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    I think Ebay would kill on price. You'd probably be better off hitting the junkyard and finding a smashed up car, they'd probably look at the small handful of junk you'd found and not even make you pay for it, mine would anyway.

    I *think* all you'd need is the bulb and ballast. Maybe some wire and connectors, but they're cheap from most anyplace that sells anything like that. Try searching back a couple months, I'm pretty sure there's a post that walks you through how to make your Thor into an HID monster. .

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    I'm almost sure that the Thor battery will power a 35w HID system. You can get lucky and get an HID system(d2s bulb, ballast, and ignitor) off ebay for very cheap. I once saw the entire system for $80. There is a very good page here that takes you through the very simple mod of an HID Thor: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/ubb...o=&fpart=1 There are many other threads with information on it u may need.

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    The thor battery will power it just fine, for well over an hour and a half of run time.

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    well, i dont think that i could find such a thing in a junkyard around here, because well... they ARE junk.

    I guess what i would ask you guys, is... what would you buy on ebay.

    Will any ballast work with any bulb (assumingly a D2S)

    I read the link you gave me above, and to be honest, i really didnt like what i seen as far as output. what would be the optimum mod?

    With the winter coming around bringing time, and christmas bringing some money, i think i would like to try to build my own HID

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    Not to highjack the thread but... [highjack on]
    What would be the smallest Mag host for an HID light?
    Could someone point me in the right direction?
    Thx! [highjack off]

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    greenLED,

    I guess you know about the Mini HID's from ufokillers/Silver Legacy Group Buy thatís the smallest HID its 10W and the lamp is rated at 500 lumen. I'm not sure what you get out the front of the light but it is very bright for its size.

    Thatís all you can fit into a Mag body if you want to go with 35 watts you will need a deep Turbo head and the ballast and igniter will have to be outside of the light due to their size.

    It can be done but from a practical point of view you can only get so much from a 2Ē or 3Ē reflector this is where the HotWire mods rule but Iím still thinking about building one some day [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/santa.gif[/img]

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    TheQase,

    There are many different spotlights you can mod to HID knowing what you need flood or throw will help also what kind or run time are you looking for.

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    Well, i have a maxabeam and i know how that throws. I really have not even had the chance to see how far it actually throws due to the fact that i dont have anything far enough away without obstruction.

    I know that anything i build will not beat the maxabeam as far as throw, but will be just enough flood for what i want.

    Do you know what i mean? In what i am wanting to build i have to say that i want to build one that has 'throw'. Because in comparison to the maxabeam, this will be just what i want to build.

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    I also forgot to mention that runtime is not at the top of my list. An hour would suffice.
    </edit>

    Thanks

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    Oh my friend you are the perfect victim for a HID Blitz mod. You already have the throw king in the Maxa Beam and the Blitz mod is a perfect winter time project for you [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/santa.gif[/img]

    Pick up a Halogen LightForce Blitz SL240 here get a Philips or Osram 4100K D2S Lamp from ebay you should be able to find one shipped for less than $40.00. I will work on finding you a good link for a 35/50 watt HID boost ballast.

    Beam shots of the HID Blitz vs. MaxaBeam can be found here and my long saga of making this mod work with more beam shots can be found here
    My 35/50 watt HID Blitz with a 1 hour battery pack weighs less than 6 pounds and you can put the pack on your belt or drop it in your coat pocket.

    Pound for pound, throw and run time itís the meanest spotlight mod I have seen [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

    Later
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    Thank you my friend!! Thus my quest for the ultimate power begins... well, kinda... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
    Mele Kalikimaka (Merry Christmas in Hawai'ian)

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    kenrad
    lighting has the 35/50 watt ballasts for 215.00

    http://www.kenradlighting.com/

    new 35 watt ballast 100.00

    http://www.sigmaautomotive.com/HID/x5ballast.php

    ebay has brand new 4300k philips bulbs

    33 bucks and 7 bucks to ship it.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=36476



    costco has the thor for 24.99

    bigger battery 9 amp (thor has a 7 amp)

    about 23 bucks shipped.

    http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html...A1VC38T7YXB528

    then you need this circuit to kill the power from the battery when it discharges to around 10 volts(ajustable)

    saves your battery and your bulb and ballast

    my hid thor starts to flash on and off rapidly when the battery dies--not good.

    I am going to build a couple of them
    http://203.57.155.69/cms/A_102095/article.html

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    215 for a kenrad ballast? meep! I am happy I got mine when I did.

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    Could someone take a look at this ballast here and tell me how it would work for me?

    WOuld i just buy a bulb, plug it in, and mod it to the appropriate light host?

    what kind of power source would this particular ballast need etc.

    The reason why i like this one is because it looks clean, and simple, and relatively small... i dont know how big these ballast normally run...

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=36476

    Thanks

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    Any ebay headlight assembly, 2003 or newer, 50-60 bucks. But, um, if you have a Maxabeam, you would probably want the 35/50 watt boost assembly, which isn't on ebay, that's the nicer set-up.

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    Well, im actually looking to go cheap here. If im not mistaken the x990 has a 35 watt in it does it not? I just want a cheap project light.

    You say headlight assy. for 60 bucks on ebay. I have yet to see one that cheap...

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    I watched ebay for quite a while I never saw a 60 dollar price point for a decent sized ballast and bulb.

    one guy had a good price on a ballast but he gave no warranty at all.

    I emailed him and asked him why.
    he said some of the ballasts shut off after a couple of minutes and that he had no way to test for this.

    a more realistic price point is around 120 bucks or so.

    but you may get lucky

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    hid has been around long enough that if you get a used bulb with your ballast
    from ebay. It may have enough hours on it to have lost 20 or 30 percent of its output - get a new bulb.

    phillips are the best.

    I have phillips dl35 bulbs rated at 3600 lumens.

    the phillips 85122 bulbs used in most car aplications using phillips bulbs are rated at 3200 lumens.

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    Yeah, i am finding that. The one i posted above is like 117+s/h and then i would need a bulb which would run me 50 bucks, so i am at least 225 bucks into the light before i get to make it.

    Mark, If i am not mistaken, you have modded a thor into an HID. I know about the tutorial (kinda) that someone posted above, but on a personal experience, was it hard to do? and how hard was it to focus? (this question goes for anyone whos modded a light really)

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    new phillips 85122 35 watt d2s bulbs on ebay are around 40 bucks shipped.

    I posted a link

    mounting the ballast depends on the ballast.

    will it fit inside the thor ?

    if not mount it under the thor near the front-the legs on the thor hide it well.

    you need to think about wire routing too.

    the power wires and the bulb wires from the
    ballast need to get into the reflector cavity of the thor.


    I got lucky the way the wires exit my ballast.
    made it easy to have no exposed wires.

    my ballast is black anodized aluminum.

    so the little bit of it that you can see looks cool.

    if you have a silver ballast paint it black.

    mounting the ballast on the outside of the thor is smart.

    It will not over heat on you.

    seal up any holes you make in the bottom of the thor and it will be as water resistant as any other thor.

    I think my hid thor would do just fine in the rain

    all of the wires are heat shrunk and the d2s connector has a rubber gasket and the bulb/connector is towards the rear of the reflector cavity.

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    I never mentioned mounting the bulb

    I measured the distance from the seat of the bulb flange to the center of the filament of the h4 bulb using a caliper
    and compared it to the center of the arc cavity of the d2s bulb to get a rough idea of the bulb position.
    then I had a aluminum tube that I cut that fit pretty tightly into the bulb hole on the reflector.

    I cut it to an appropriate length(I epoxied it to the base of the bulb with the glass bulb centered in the short tubular spacer) so that I could adjust the bulb by sliding it in or out of the reflector-to adjust the spot.


    the arc carataristics change while the bulb is warming up.

    so you need to mount and support the reflector and bulb (outside of the thor)aimed at a target.

    let the bulb and reflector warm up for 5 minutes.

    adjust your bulb position for best spot.

    epoxy it into place.

    the bulbs have such a long life that it will last a very long time unless you drop the light and break the bulb.

    this post would have made more sense but I ate so much chocolate that I am getting kinda sick.

    and I am a johny come lately to hid thor mods.

    many did it before me.

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    oh and have the wire(from the hv igniter) that goes to the tip
    of the bulb pointing down twards the bottom of the refector on the thor.

    my hid vector has a better beam with the hv wire twards the top of the refector.

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    HID Vector eh?

    Which one is better do you think? The Thor or The VEctor?

    Which one was easier?

    Etc

    Im not worried about who did it first here, I think its better to be a follower (being a first timer and little electrical knowledge) when it comes to stuff like this. That way it is refined.

    When i get better/have more money... I will be willing to take one for the team... that way we all learn here.

    Thanks

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    the thor is easyier - less work more room

    my hid vector is kool.

    it has a 5.25 inch reflector and a 14.4 volt 4.5 amp nimh battery(64.8 watts) and a phillips dl35 d2s bulb 3600 lumens 4300k
    it weighs 4 pounds.
    it cost 110.00 for the ballast and bulb.
    52.00 for the 12 c cell nimh batterys-shipped
    I have had the vector for so long I do not know what I paid for it.

    It would survive a drop to the ground at least as well as a x990

    a x990 has a 3.5 inch reflector a 12 volt 4.5ah battery(54 watts)
    and a tiwan made 3200 lumen bulb and it weighs 6 pounds.

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    do you have a picture of it?

    a 4lb HID sounds cool... i think i would like that...

    i dont know though... i _AM_ looking for easy.. the Thor is just so big... *shivers*

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    [ QUOTE ]
    markdi said:
    the thor is easyier - less work more room

    my hid vector is kool.

    it has a 5.25 inch reflector and a 14.4 volt 4.5 amp nimh battery(64.8 watts) and a phillips dl35 d2s bulb 3600 lumens 4300k
    it weighs 4 pounds.
    it cost 110.00 for the ballast and bulb.
    52.00 for the 12 c cell nimh batterys-shipped
    I have had the vector for so long I do not know what I paid for it.

    It would survive a drop to the ground at least as well as a x990

    a x990 has a 3.5 inch reflector a 12 volt 4.5ah battery(54 watts)
    and a tiwan made 3200 lumen bulb and it weighs 6 pounds.

    [/ QUOTE ]

    If you make any spotligiht with the same size battery and ballast as the X990 the weight is going to be very similar. I highly, highly, HIGHLY doubt your vector weighs 4lbs. My Vector with a 4" reflector and no HID weighs over 4lbs. A bigger spotlight with a bigger battery and an HID ballast is not going to weigh 4lbs. Fully charged that battery can be over 17 volts - making the smoke come out of your ballast.

    Also, the X990 does not use a taiwan made bulb. And your bulb may be rated at 3600 lumens, but that much doesn't come out of the front of the light. 3200 is what actually comes out of the front of the X990.

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    the original 3 amp sla weighs more than the nimh pack.
    it weighed even more when the 2 6 volt batterys were in
    a plastic case- the battery pack for my vector was removable.
    my vector is plastic - not metal

    I bought my mom an aluminum vector it does weigh quite a bit.

    I would send any one who wants a picture of it a picture
    just pm me

    I guess I could send a picture of it on and on my scale.

    I am pretty sure I read some where that the x990 has a tiwan bulb but I am probably wrong.

    so there is no lumen loss out of an x990
    it has a perfectly efficient reflector and lens
    ya right I bet my hid vector has more output.

    I wonder do you live close to me

    how about a shoot out

    how many times in these forums do I have to mention I know the difference between bulb lumens and what is emmitted from the spotlight/flashlight

    my ballast says max voltage is 18 volts

    along with various voltage drops - wiring - switch etc-the 12 cell pack works great.

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    people who own a x990 and a beast say the beast is brighter than the x990.

    the beast is rated at 2000 lumens.

    so a x990 can not be emmiting 3200 lumens

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    the D2S bulbs used in the X990 (and SF Beast ?) are rated at 3200 Lumen +/- 450 Lumen, so the outputof both lights is about 2000 Lumens if the Lens/Reflector combo has a 75% efficiency.

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    Default Re: I want to build my own HID Spotlight

    I knew that all ready

    actually if the x990 is dimmer than a beast which is emitting 2000 lumens than the lens/reflector is eating more than 37.5% of the light energy from the bulb.

    I know the beasts lumen output is probably under rated but not by much-if it was a 2200 lumen light surefire would have said so.

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