Self Employed Health Insurance

Lebkuecher

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Wow this is a tough one. I have a friend and she is 53 years old and she teaches piano. She and her ex husband moved from Canada about twenty years ago the point being that she was not born in the USA. Up in till about two years ago she was on her husband's health insurance plan and then they got a divorce. After getting several quotes it seems that the best she can do is get a horrible policy for about 625.00 a month that barely covers anything. This is BS!!!. How can we live in one of the greatest countries in the world and not have a way to cover our more senior citizens with affordable health insurance.

If someone has any ideas on where she can go get affordable insurance I would GREATLY appreciate any help that you may offer. Maybe you know of some clubs or organizations that she could join that offers some kind of discounted or group priced insurance.
 

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She should check with her guild, credit union, auto club, etc.

I pay 625 a month for my health insurance too, and that's only my part of the cost of my retirement benefit. Yup, that's partial. The company I retired from pays the rest.

When she got divorced she had the option of continuing her insurance via the COBRA act. That's probably expired by now. Good luck to her.

Daniel
 

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Blue Cross / Blue Shield is the cheapest health insurance I have found.

Unfortunately you have to be in absolutely perfect health to get it.

I'm about the same age as your friend and mine would have cost $227 a month.... Because I had ONE episode of elevated (but not dangerously high) blood pressure six months before; Even though my EKG was perfect, they turned me down. Said I could re-apply in three years if I had a doctor monitor and document my blood pressure on a weekly basis and it was never above normal again in that time.
 

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She could go to work part time at UPS. About 4 hours a day gets you free health insurance coverage, and it is one of the best policies I've ever had. I've got such good coverage through my work, that my wife dropped her insurance coverage from her work in favor of mine (and she works for Nationwide).

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Hello Lebkuecher,

I seem to recall that AARP keeps advertising "affordable" health insurance. She might want to check them out.

Tom
 

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Thanks for the input and please keep it coming

I've always had a job that provided insurance so I really never gave it much thought but when you know someone that makes little money who needs insurance it makes you realize that there is a problem. Most of you I'm sure remember Hilary Clinton's national insurance plan and the time I wasn't for it but now I'm beginning to wonder. I think at a bare minimum there should be a way for self employed people or people with jobs that don't provide insurance to buy group insurance.

This is just an idea but why not have the government take the people who would want this insurance and divide them into large groups and with in the groups you would have both young and older people. Then you would take these blocks of people and let the various insurance companies bid on covering the group as a whole. Putting all age groups in each group would on average lower the cost insurance for people who would otherwise be spending a lot of money. The younger people who would not normally pay that much would still benefit because they would have a discounted rate being that its group coverage. In addition give small companies who cannot afford insurance for its employee's the ability to participate. The idea of giving small companies that option is to hopefully lower the average age of the participants which will also lower the overall rate for everyone. I'm not saying that the government should pay for any ones insurance but just provide the organizational infrastructure for large group purchasing and insurance bidding. Anyway this is just an idea.
 

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Maybe she could investigate a medical savings account. A CPA or tax lawyer would probably need to explain it. Basically its a fancy form of self-insuring. See here at page 8.

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I'm in the process of getting self-employed medical insurance as I'm starting my own business. I actually came to this thread looking for ideas too. My state is one of the worst in the nation for insurance laws and consequently one of the toughest to get insurance other than through your employer.

I am applying for insurance through Costco. They have a deal where if you have their business executive membership you can get insurance for your business. Even though I am my whole business I'm essentially getting the insurance for my company and then covering myself as an employee. I still don't know if this is the best I can do but I need to do something and it's available.

Good luck to your friend.
 

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I hope someone finds a solution because I'd like to know the answer too.

It seems a shame that our Congress can call a special session to discuss that serious Janet Jackson wardrobe "accident", but don't give a cr@p about the sorry state of health care in the US. I have an Aunt and Uncle that have to decide whether to spend their meager limited income on food or medication.

Sorry for the rant and pseudo thread hijack, but it seemed almost on topic when I started.
 

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Here's an idea that a friend of mine is doing to get insured. He has his California Real Estate sales license and he joined the California Association of Realtors or the National Association of Mortgage Brokers. Can't remember which. Anyway, since they have medical policies for members he was able to get insured when other places turned him down. Also at a good rate. So your friend can join a large professional association to get hers. She can even take her Real Estate Sales License exam and who know, maybe get rich in the process. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Hope this helps give you a few ideas to start looking into.

GOod luck /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 

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Costco is very reputable - I've been waiting for them to expand their health insurance offerings to the east coast.
 

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Some local chambers of commerce offer health insurance for members. It'll cost you several hundered dollars to join the chamber, but the insurance might be worth it.

As a middle-aged student with a family, I can attest to how difficult insurance is to come by. If she is generally healthy, perhaps she can consider temporary insurance through Assurant. I've used them when I was between COBRA and real insurance and they are cheap and reputable. Only thing is, they are not available in all states and it is sickness and injury insurance. No preventitive care at all.

Healthcare is one aspect of living in the US where one can feel totally abandoned, if not betrayed. Best of luck to her and all who are in need of coverage.

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Ginseng said:
Some local chambers of commerce offer health insurance for members. It'll cost you several hundered dollars to join the chamber, but the insurance might be worth it.

As a middle-aged student with a family, I can attest to how difficult insurance is to come by. If she is generally healthy, perhaps she can consider temporary insurance through Assurant. I've used them when I was between COBRA and real insurance and they are cheap and reputable. Only thing is, they are not available in all states and it is sickness and injury insurance. No preventitive care at all.

Healthcare is one aspect of living in the US where one can feel totally abandoned, if not betrayed. Best of luck to her and all who are in need of coverage.

Wilkey

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Excellent suggestion. I did just that 10-12 years ago. I divided the cost of the membership by 12 and added it to the monthly insurance payment to figure what my health insurance was costing me and it was a great deal. Problem was after their initial contract ran out, they ousted those with only one insured - they only wanted businesses with 2 or more. I was able to stay with the provider at higher premiums with less coverage.

After an MRI and epidural while not able to work (remember, self-employed) I received notice of an increase in my premium of 2 1/2 times and loss of presciption coverage. I had to drop the coverage and can no longer get insurance (at least not at a cost that I can manage).
 

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- advice-

One way to save money is to get a "major medical" plan.

Essentially, it only covers things like surgery, hospital admissions, heart attacks, cancer, car crashes etc. Day-to-day piddly stuff like going to the doctor for hay-fever, jock-itch, or pink-eye, you pay out of pocket. The details vary, the insurance only kicks in depending on the severity of the injury or illness, after your out of pocket exceeds a pre set amount, or a combination of both.

It's not a great plan for covering children, but if you're twenty to forty-something, it's a good option, it protects you from the big expenses for major medical care that can otherwise wipe you out financially. If you're a relatively young/healthy person without any middle or low level chronic conditions that require frequent outpatient care, the occasional couple of hundred bucks for a sinus infection, walking pneumonia, or stitches at the ER, every year or so can often be cheaper than the premiums you'd pay for a comprehensive insurance plan, even if you've got an employer making contributions.

Just a thought.

- editorial -

Admittedly, this will be of limited comfort to those who are uninsured, or struggling with massive medical bills. It is however, an object lesson for those who advocate the Government "Do Something" to fix the problem, such as socialized medicine, or any other number of government schemes that have been promoted in the past. Here's a little story, plus commentary, about how the government "Doing Something" to fix other problems not even related to medicine, put us in the medical and insurance tailspin we see today.

The whole "healthcare crisis" in America really traces it's roots back to the Great Depression. As a control measure against inflation/deflation FDR instituted certain wage and price freezes. Because you can't stop the "invisible hand" of the market, and it's desire to compete and profit, like water flowing down through cracks, it just finds other outlets and loopholes. (Under complete prohibition like alcohol, or today, drugs, it just goes black market. Under communism, everything just goes black market, from an economic standpoint, the risks of criminal activity can simply be considered a cost that particular market is willing to assume.)

There were a few industries that were still competing for labor in the Great Depression, but they lost their ability to compete for the labor they desired by the usual means, raising wages or salaries. So they turned to "benefits", which before that time was a much less common concept than it is today. By offering the value of things like health insurance as a competitive inducement to work for them, they could get around the depression-era wage freezes.

Before WWII, the vast majority of Americans who needed medical care paid out of pocket. And comparatively, medical care was much more affordable, so many could pay it out of pocket. (Example: In adjusted 2005 dollars, my father's 1946 hospital bill for his non-complication birth was $930, the share of the 2004 bill for one of my twins, his granddaughters, non-complication birth was $11,000.)

Initially, offering benefits was a good way for an employer to get around what was otherwise a socialist imposition on a free market. Unfortunately, like most government action, it had an unintended consequence, by creating the precedent of employer benefits, it took the insured consumer out of the loop when it came to making healthcare decisions on a cost basis. That would ultimately have disastrous implications for anyone who finds themselves uninsured today.

A simple question. How many of you who are insured have ever once asked your doctor, a lab, or a hospital how much their services cost on a line-item basis? (I already know the answer, almost none of you, myself included.) To you, the "cost" of your medical care is a combination of your paycheck deduction, and your deductible. The grand total never enters your head when choosing doctors, hospitals, or even a pharmacy.

Ever notice how some frontier doctor's or dentist's sign from the 19th century, whether it's in a museum, or a prop in the "wild west town" section of a theme park, with prices listed up front, and by type of service, is perceived as a muddled combination of "quaint" and "barbaric"? Conversely, what else are you willing to buy without asking the price, or even seeing it posted? Tell me what it is, and I'm going to quit my job and start selling it!

The natural result of the consumer being almost completely divorced from price as a consideration when making medical decisions, is that few, if any, medical providers, whatever the type, truly compete on price. The natural result of any such unhinged market is that costs soar out of control. Granted, there's other factors. Insurers and HMO's contract with the providers who accept them to a set schedule of fees, but by trying to control costs at this second-tier level is still removing the actual consumer making the daily decisions, and the damage is already done.

Those who would argue that cost increasing medical advances, everything from X-Rays to MRI's, antibiotics, laser surgery, ultrasound, chemotherapy, angioplasty, pacemakers, insulin, etc. did not exist in the era of the Great Depression have a point. However, there is a greater counter-point, few, if any of these advances were run past the medical consumer from a cost standpoint. That's not to say we shouldn't enjoy these advances, but begs the question how inexpensive would they be if they had been subjected to consumers who were as price conscious as they are about homes, computers, or cars?

I'm certainly not advocating abolishing medical insurance, or some kind of massive de-regulation of the medical industry, throwing the American population into some kind of out-of-pocket free-for-all. Even if it were desirable, it's simply not politically feasible. A gradual transition that puts back some competitive price pressure from the actual end consumers would be a darn good start, though.

If you actually cared to read the whole thing, just a little case study as to why saying "This is awful! The Government should DO SOMETHING!" isn't always the best answer.
 

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A few years ago, our daughter's births were something like in the $10,000 range--but insurance only paid the hospital approximately $2,500--A very reasonable price.

I would be perfectly happy to pay the "group insurance" price myself--but I can't. I have to pay inflated costs to cover the, Medicare/Medical lowballed government mandated payments, "uninsured", and illegal aliens and other socialist/communist transfer of wealth that government has forced onto the medical profession.

Looking at employment regulations and health care--government has just outsourced the costs of politics (and lack of elected official's will to pay for them) onto private industry.

I just read that in Arizona that emergency room doctors are "hiding" from ER postings to avoid incurring costs that are never recovered (and probably avoiding malpractice liability for those bills that are never paid).

End now to prevent undergrounding of discussion...

-Bill
 

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While I agree with most of your editorial on principle, there is one key factor that is missing that is absolutely crucial for a market-based solution to health care: readily available information regarding outcomes.

If I want to purchase a good or service, there are many different sources of information about the quality and price of the various competitors in the marketplace. Reviewing comments on review sites (Amazon, Epinions) or perusing feedback comments on Ebay aren't necessarily going to guarantee my satisfaction, but I'd rather purchase something that's gotten a number of good reviews from reasonably trusted information sources than buy a pig in a poke.

Just try and find out any useful information about a doctor or hospital regarding outcomes. You can't get it. In most cases, it doesn't exist.

Until some mechanism exists whereby I can find as much information about a prospective doctor or hospital as I can about a prospective flashlight purchase, I would be somewhat cautious about advocating free market solutions as a panacea for our health care system's problems, as the playing field for the consumer is far from level.
 

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The topic of the thread was about obtaining self-employed health insurance. While the cost of health care certainly is related to the topic, political accusations, and labeling various political ideologies with argument inducing names will certainly yield an unmanageable thread.

I wrote that before previous post were tastefully edited. Thank you. I'll just change the focus of my statement as a reminder and acknowledgement that the temptation to take off on that tangent is strong. Please use self-control.
 
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