How to make a LED Throw . . .

up /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
http://www.etendue.net/UsePage/luxeondiy/Goods/GoodsDetail.php?goo_id=140
finally i found it, sombody figure out what to do with this thing, and make all the misteaks, and find out what you can stick it in.

i have talked about it, and i came across it finnaly, so now you can see what i was talking about.

if you speak the language , mabey you can interpret for the rest of us.
wouldnt this thing fit in a MAG?

Looks very interesting. What about using a LuxIII or a LuxV
with it?
Could we get a LuxV throw monster? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Thanks for the link, VidPro!

That looks exactly like the standard 2 degree Carclo 50mm lens.

Search for it, we talked about them, had beamshots, and even had a group buy.

http://www.carclo-optics.com/Electro-Optics/Luxeon-Optics/Specialist-Range.htm

The Carclo 50mm 2 degree lenses are WONDERFUL with a LUXEON III; rather disappointing (comparatively) with a Luxeon V... Somehow the 4 dies on the V are less efficient the way the optics are designed.

I don't want to get ahead of myself here and post too much info before everything is ready and I do more testing and beamshots etc...

But in about a week I should be opening up a new website with lots of beamshots and LUX measurements of a wide variety of lenses , as well as comparative shots of other common lights vs the Carlco lensed ones.

AND stocking most of the Carclo lenses and holders for sale.

Neat! How much do they cost, and how do you adapt them to the Mag, like shown in the linked site? Throooowwww! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

All shall be revealed ASAP.

Unfortunately, the 2 degree lenses are expensive (the rest of the Carclo line is very reasonably priced)

Adaption to C & D M*gs is easy; they fit the bezel perfectly.

Stay tuned.....

That 2deg optic is amazing and as per Silviron, fits into the OAC/D head just nicely.

well then get on it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
where is the magic 3and 5w Mag drop in, heack its been around forever now.

and what is this Aspherical lens thing do anyways?
and do they fit in the mag head? looks like a megga dome for a quad-lux.

PRICE? surely it cant be more than the cost of a driver board? i donno , my yidish isnt so good.

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That looks exactly like the standard 2 degree Carclo 50mm lens.

Search for it, we talked about them, had beamshots, and even had a group buy.

http://www.carclo-optics.com/Electro-Optics/Luxeon-Optics/Specialist-Range.htm

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hmm, then mabey there is 2 of them? that one looks like a real optics, the thing i saw was a reflector, and would work best if somehow a emitter could be put in reverse on the face of it (and still be cooled)

everybodys always whining about throw, and wants a light that makes a 2" dot on the 7' path of life, so it just seems like these would be applied by now, and we could move on to the TRI and QUAD versions /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif of the same basic patterns.

yet there we are with another 7" reflector on a INCADESCENT 400$ flashlight /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Some of the information on the Carclo 2 degree calls it a reflector, some calls it a lens. Their official documentation calls it a "Super Narrow Collimator", and their catalog calls it a Mirrored Lens.

Which it is.

Just call it an optic with a reflectorized back. It is actually even more complicated than that, but that's good enough for us "laymen".

Entendu has two different but similar mirrored lenses if I correctly recall... One was this Carclo item, and there is a 42 mm one from an unconfirmed source.

I don't want to announce what my price is going to be before I launch the new site, but it is going to be less than what he offered them for to CPF members several months ago.

HOWEVER, (as much as I hate to admit it) he is apparently running a sale right now for less than I'm going to be able to sell for. I THINK that his current price is about US$29.50 ( I think he is Korean, and the price is in Korean Won, but I could be wrong). As he is fairly active here and a supporting dealer, so he will probably see this thread and chime in sooner or later.

I wish I could sell them cheaper... In fact, I think they are overpriced at factory prices, much less what any reseller can sell them for; But they work so darn good, that it is worth it.
(Think.... better throw than most 2X 123 incandescent lights)

There is a good price break if you buy 50,001 units at a time, but even if I mortgaged everything I own, I could barely get enough money to buy the 1000 pieces where the first, insignificant price break occurs.)[/i].


Another CPFer (Photon Wrangler????) was selling them for a while too, I don't know what he was charging, or if he has any more available.

Wish I could give more info now, but I'm just not quite ready.

Give me at least a few more days and I'll post a couple of beamshots , and announce the URL to my new site, even though it will be at least a week before the site is anywhere near being ready for public view.

Here is a teaser though: ~9000 LUX at 1 Meter.

Edited: I just retested it with fresh batteries... how do you like 11,550 LUX @ 1 meter!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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All shall be revealed ASAP.

Unfortunately, the 2 degree lenses are expensive (the rest of the Carlco line is very reasonably priced)

Adaption to C & D M*gs is easy; they fit the bezel perfectly.

Stay tuned.....

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O.K., dependng upon cost, which doesn't seem to be a barrier to most CPFers, (Am I all alone, here?) this looks really intriguing. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Soooo.....fit the optic/mirror/whatever to the Mag bezel below the lens, and use the focus feature to bring it properly close to the light source, whether Lux III or incan, and FEAR NOT? Is that IT?

There's just GOTTA be more to it than that, right? Have I finally discovered a real use for the Mag focusing capability? If that's all, the MJLED was harder. Isn't there some sort of CPF rule against easy? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Awaiting price information, and not too patiently, at that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/popcorn.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I think you need a HS in the head of the mag so you don't twist the optic around the luxeon. And it's gotta be made for it...

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Soooo.....fit the optic/mirror/whatever to the Mag bezel below the lens, and use the focus feature to bring it properly close to the light source, whether Lux III or incan, and FEAR NOT? Is that IT?

There's just GOTTA be more to it than that, right? Have I finally discovered a real use for the Mag focusing capability? If that's all, the MJLED was harder. Isn't there some sort of CPF rule against easy? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Awaiting price information, and not too patiently, at that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/popcorn.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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no it must be made very difficult so SireFire can make $400 bucks off the first one

the thing is very thin, but it looks like it would DROP-INTO the mag head, not stay on top. and because entude is a sponcer here at the forum, we could have had and applied these EONS ago.
it LOOKS like any ol hotlips could have this thing dropped on top of it.

the problem might be more How SPOTty it really is, not how easily applied it could be.
and i would wonder if a larger emitter like a 5W would make it just the right spot, instead of a laser beam /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

if i could read Korean i might already have one, and them aspherical lenses, everything else wouldnt be to new to me, because i have been using 6* optic now for a long time.

it cant be THAT difficult, but then after you try and assemble things it becomes harder.

it just seems to me that until sombody makes a decent FOCUSABLE reflector , you could set up a mag with MANY optics types, using the mod drop-ins that are in plenty around here.
then you could have BOTH.

if they are witholding another secret weapon, for vast consumptions of FUNDS, then the forum has gone from forum to 100% SALES :-(
i dont think that will happen this year.

if the big dealy is another set of OHH WOWs for a month, till the local sellers can aquire them, and mark them up 2X, then , thats not development, that hindered development, and mabey it has something to do with why THERE IS NOTHING NEW.

(whine whine whine)

hey avoid that 3* fiber optics thing unless you HAVE fiber optics, because its not designed for throw.

the 25* is a bit messy, but does a fair flood, with a hotter spots in the center.
the 25x6* makes a nice Line
the 6* makes a spot that is not MUCH better than a 10* we have been using, but its an improvement.
the 2* is totally different, might have high losses because of the dual reflection, is very spotty, and from what i saw is not much cleaner of a spot than a mag focused down. but i only got to play with it for a while.

Ignore this.

Clicked the wrong button /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon23.gif

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.......the 2* is totally different, might have high losses because of the dual reflection, is very spotty, and from what i saw is not much cleaner of a spot than a mag focused down. but i only got to play with it for a while. ....

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If you weren't impressed with the beam from the 2 degree, then it wasn't put together properly or perhaps a defective lens. The only spot in mine is you can see a shadow from (I think), one of the bond wires in the LED. At least with a Luxeon III.

The beam from a V is a little messier, although still a great improvement over a "hot wire" M*g. As I indicated in my first post above, these are primarily designed for a III

The main spot is kind of squarish up close (due to the shape of the LED die). and there are a few rings... which is actually a plus, because in addition to an intense long thrown spot, the rings light up enough in front of you so you don't trip over the dog while you are looking for the cat up the tree.

I got my lens test units all finished tonight; Will start on beam shots tomorrow night if all goes well.

Next to the 2 degree, my favorite so far is the 26 mm 4 X 25 degree linear optic. The 20 mm 6 X 25 degree is also kind of cool, but not as much as its big brother.
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Sniper: I don't see any practical way to use the focusing feature of the M*gs. It is a fixed focus setup. Someone more creative may prove me wrong, though...

It is an easy convert, worked perfectly the first time I tried slapping one together, without a clue as to what I was doing.

I'm planning to offer two slightly different complete drop in DD (direct drive) conversion kits (with or without the Luxeons) designed specifically to work with the 2 degree lens.

Although those are at least a couple more weeks down the road, as my lathe is currently in a "component parts" condition, and I'm going to have to ORDER some taps to get the new bed and gears mounted., and the fancier heat sink setup is only in the idea stage.

That will make conversion real easy:
1: take off the bezel,
2: take off the head,
3: unscrew bulb retainer,
4: remove bulb,
5: replace bulb with my bulb adapter,
6: twist adapter retainer a few turns,
7: screw the head back on,
8: put the lens in the top of the head,
9: insert o-ring,
10: screw bezel back on,
11: Turn on switch.
12: Blind yourself by looking directly at the beam.

There MAY be a spacer involved in the less elegant, more flexible (and significantly less expensive) drop in kit .

Take you five minutes, maximum, the first time you assemble it if you are reasonably coordinated... Probably less than a minute once you have done it a few times.

THANKS for more info SILVERON.

can i ask , does it drop INTO the mag D head, or does it stop on one of the LIPS at the top of it?

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All shall be revealed ASAP.

Adaption to C & D M*gs is easy; they fit the bezel perfectly.

Stay tuned.....

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Instructions for whatever you are putting together are interesting. After reading the info on the optics, wouldn't the 6 or 15 degree units be better for general applications, with impressive brightness, good sidespill, and throw equal or greater than a stock Mag? How hard would that be, and how much do you sppose it would cost? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

This is great news!

I wonder if this will work with a Tri-Lux MagSc?


Benny

Thanks for the questions...

Pardon me if I don't specifically answer right now, but you do bring up points that I intended to address, and show me how important it is that I DO cover it while putting together the website...

None of these optics individually are magical devices that will be a universal solution to all lighting needs. They are mostly really good at ONE thing... But it is neat, that (with one exception {the side emitting lens}) they are all pretty decent at providing some degree of illumination for general flashlight type purposes.

Just like a Crescent wrench is not intended to be used as a hammer, it WILL drive a nail if you really need to.

This is one thing neat about the 3 lens holders: You can adapt your light to the task by using specific optics, or make a more general purpose light by having an assortment of lenses permanently installed.

In fact, the first light I made when I got my sample order was a 3D Mag with 3 X 3watters shining through one of the 6X25 linear lenses, a 10 degree lens (an old lumileds NX1 I had laying around) and a 6 degree. With it, I get throw, decent circular spill, and a highly directional linear spill.

But generally, you should determine in advance what kind of task the light is primarily intended for, and buy the lens that will accomplish that task the best. Like the Leatherman tools: they may do many tasks, but they do none of them anywhere near as well as if you had individual specialized tools.

Although I do have an idea for a double barrel type design .... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I don't know if you have ever seen any of my old LED / flashlight web pages but I do tend to go into a LOT of detail of facts (and suppositions), so I hope that most questions as to how to use each kind of lens and what's best compromises etc will be covered.
http://www.az123.com/darksbane
has links to some of my old research and articles if you want an idea as to how I cover a subject.