Bumper sticker wisdom

leukos

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I saw a bumper sticker yesterday:

"Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones do!"

I live in a large city and walk to work everyday. I can't believe while in a crosswalk how many times I've nearly been run over by someone driving and talking on a cell phone. Our city recently passed an ordinance outlawing driving and talking (without an ear piece) on a cell phone. After all the stupid gun laws in this city, this will probably be the legislation that will actually save lives. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 

pyro

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It is forbidden do drive and talk here in germany.
Not that someone cares about that...
 

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In San Francisco a few years ago--they went through all of the red light camera pictures and found the vast majority of those, that they could identify performing an activity during driving, were EATING.

Also, they have done other studies on cell phones and found no difference between talking on a cell phone, hands free cell phone, or talking between the driver and the passenger. Changing the station on the radio, smoking, etc. also were significant factors too.

Cell phones, hands free or not does not matter

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You've dialed the wrong number if you think that it's safe to drive while chatting on your cell. A newly released study of Australian motorists found that cell phone users were four times as likely to be involved in a serious crash.

The study, which ran in the British Medical Journal, is the first of its type to use actual crash data and cell phone records to correlate serious vehicular accident injuries with talking on the telephone. Further, the results show that the same risks are posed whether holding a phone to your ear or talking through a hands-free devise such as a speakerphone.
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Inattentive driving also is a subject of concern to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, in Washington, D.C. Says NHTSA spokesman Eric Bolton: "For years, we've been very concerned about inattentive driving. Cell phone use is one of many such distractions that may be a factor involved in fatal vehicular crashes." Bolton cited other major distractions, namely drivers fiddling with CDs, switching channels on the car radio, talking to passengers, eating food or drinking coffee, and looking back at children in the backseat.

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From this study, young and old are more prone to accidents... However the young on cell phone performed worst than older drivers on cell phones:

url=http://www.utah.edu/unews/releases/05/feb/cellphones.html]University of Utah:[/url]

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Feb. 1, 2005 -- If you have been stuck in traffic behind a motorist yakking on a cellular phone, a new University of Utah study will sound familiar: When young motorists talk on cell phones, they drive like elderly people, moving and reacting more slowly and increasing their risk of accidents.

"If you put a 20-year-old driver behind the wheel with a cell phone, their reaction times are the same as a 70-year-old driver who is not using a cell phone. It's like instantly aging a large number of drivers," says David Strayer, a University of Utah psychology professor and principal author of the study.
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The study found that when 18- to 25-year-olds were placed in a driving simulator and talked on a cellular phone, they reacted to brake lights from a car in front of them as slowly as 65- to 74-year-olds who were not using a cell phone.

The elderly drivers, meanwhile, became even slower to react to brake lights when they spoke on a cell phone. But the good news for elderly drivers was that their driving skills did not become as bad as had been predicted by earlier research showing that older people performing multiple tasks suffer additional impairment due to aging.
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When elderly drivers used cell phones, their reaction times got worse, but not as bad as had been expected. Previous research "suggested older people should have been really messed up if you put them on a cell phone because, not only are they slower overall due to age, but there's a difficulty dividing attention that should make using a cell phone much more difficult for them than for young people," Strayer said. Yet the study "suggests older adults do not suffer a significantly greater penalty for talking on a cell phone while driving than do their younger counterparts," Strayer and Drews wrote.
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There were too few collisions for statistical analysis. But Strayer notes that twice as many accidents happened to motorists on cell phones compared with motorists who were not talking. And young drivers were in collisions twice as often as elderly drivers.

"Older drivers were slightly less likely to get into accidents than younger drivers," Strayer says. "Why? They tend to have a greater following distance. Their reactions are impaired, but they are driving so cautiously they were less likely to smash into somebody," although in real life, "older drivers are significantly more likely to be rear-ended" because of their slow speed.

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More summaries of studies...

Yes, talking on a cell phone is probably more likely 2-4x likely to cause an accident. But so is being young (2x) and the young are (2x) more likely than the general male population to be talking on a cell phone (women are 1.5x more likely than males).

However, I really fear that if these (relatively) small increases in chance for accidents becomes the norm for writing laws (like it has not happened all ready), then it will justify new laws that justify a $100-$300 traffic ticket when somebody is otherwise driving safely. How about this example of a law that would probably save more lives than cell phone laws; only allowing drivers between 30 and 60 on the road since they have 1/2 the accident rate?

In the end, everyone needs to drive responsibly.

-Bill
 

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If I have not had an accident in 25 years, and talk on the cell phone today, and I'm 2x more likely to have an accident....

Well, it's been 25 years AND COUNTING, so talking while driving changes that to 12 years plus some unknown amount. We're still counting, remmeber?

Seriously, all distractions are a bad idea yet we fill cars with baby seats, CD players, GPS navigation, radios and often confusing controls. I think we are setting the drivers up for failure.

On subject; Bumper sticker wisdom "Commit random acts of senseless kindness and beauty".

Daniel
 

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Talking on the phone isn't the distraction. Driving is the distraction.

A great many wouldn't consider giving a telephone conversation anything other than their undivided attention, and would consider it rude of the other party if they sense the one on the other end granting them anything other than their undivided attention. Unfortunately, driving is seldom given undivided attention, except while one is learning to drive.

People's world and lives stop, for a phone call. It's an easily observed situation.

Forget the studies. Both sides will give you what you want. Just observe the "time out" reaction to a phone call in others and yourself. Studies aren't needed.
 

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I saw a bumper sticker on the back of a woman's electric wheelchair that read:

HOW'S MY DRIVING?
CALL 1-800-EAT-****

I wanted to get one for my electric wheelchair too, but I frequently ride public transporatation, and that cuss word at the end might not be such a bright idea. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

I also saw one that read "HANG UP & DRIVE".
 

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Mine:

"If you can read this you're too CLOSE! BACK OFF!"

I also considered at the time: "My brakes work just fine, do yours?"

Due to the fact that I seem to get incesently tailgaited here.

In the UK talking on a phone is an official offence, and worth a £60 fine if you get caught.
 

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I knew a guy in high school that had a bumper sticker that read, "Stop tailgating me or I'll flick a booger on your windshield!"
 

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Empath said:
Talking on the phone isn't the distraction. Driving is the distraction.

A great many wouldn't consider giving a telephone conversation anything other than their undivided attention, and would consider it rude of the other party if they sense the one on the other end granting them anything other than their undivided attention. Unfortunately, driving is seldom given undivided attention, except while one is learning to drive.

People's world and lives stop, for a phone call. It's an easily observed situation.

Forget the studies. Both sides will give you what you want. Just observe the "time out" reaction to a phone call in others and yourself. Studies aren't needed.

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Here's the rare occasion where I find myself in COMPLETE agreement with Empath. How many of us wouldn't even consider eating while talking on the phone at home yet think it's perfectly fine to talk on the cell phone and perform a function that requires life-or-death decisions several times a minute??????????
 

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I disagree; if you're sitting in a vehicle for the purpose of piloting it, then doing anything other than driving is the distraction. I agree that a phone call usually soaks up nearly 100% of an individual's attention as well as greatly diminishing their peripheral awareness. I feel that a driver's #1 job should be to pay as much attention to the task of driving as possible. I do. I don't even turn too look at someone in the passenger seat whom I'm talking to because I can't jusify taking my eyes off the road for that long.

I do occasionally wind up using a cell phone while driving but I try to keep it to an absolute minimum, and I will put down the phone whenever I have to make a difficult driving decision that requires concentration. The caller can wait a few moments while I insure that I don't endanger anyone's lives.
 

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"Saving your @ss, like it or not" with a picture of President George W. Bush

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Wish I could get away with that one. But here in East Texas there are more than a few HARD CORE Democrats. And everybody is related to or knows everyone else. And it could lose us business just like THAT!
 

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"Happiness is an automatic firearm with a belt feed"

"Gun Control" isn't about guns. It's about control.

If guns cause crime, matches cause arson!
 

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I lifted this from a Usenet newsgroup:

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http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=570222

A Comparison of the Cell Phone Driver and the Drunk Driver

DAVID L. STRAYER
University of Utah
DENNIS J. CROUCH
University of Utah
FRANK A. DREWS
University of Utah

Abstract:
We used a high-fidelity driving simulator to compare the performance
of cell-phone drivers with drivers who were legally intoxicated from
ethanol. When drivers were conversing on either a hand-held or hands-free
cell-phone, their braking reactions were delayed and they were involved
in more traffic accidents than when they were not conversing on the
cell phone. By contrast, when drivers were legally intoxicated they
exhibited a more aggressive driving style, following closer to the vehicle
immediately in front of them and applying more force while braking. When
controlling for driving conditions and time on task, cell-phone drivers
exhibited greater impairment than intoxicated drivers. The results have
implications for legislation addressing driver distraction caused by
cell phone conversations.
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Here's an article linked to another study coming to similar conclusions:
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http://bicycleuniverse.info/cars/cellphones.html

Report: Using Car Phones Is as Dangerous as Driving Drunk

February 13, 1997

?Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved ?FOX News Network 1997. All rights
reserved.

BOSTON -- The risk of having a traffic accident while using a cellular
phone is the same as that while driving drunk, according to a study
appearing in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine. University
of Toronto researchers found cell phone users four to five times
more likely to get into traffic accidents than those who do not use
them. "Telephones that allowed the hands to be free did not appear to be
safer than hand-held telephones," they said. "This may indicate that the
main factor in most motor vehicle collisions is a driver's limitations
in attention rather than dexterity." An editorial by Malcolm Maclure
of the Harvard School of Public Health and Murray Mittleman of Beth
Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston said the research was the first
"direct evidence that the use of cellular telephones in cars contributes
to roadway collisions."

The Toronto study by Dr. Donald Redelmeier and Robert Tibshirani said
the risk "is similar to the hazard associated with driving with a blood
alcohol level at the legal limit."
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I too have almost been hit at crosswalks several times by people driving and talking on cell phones.

I know several people who absolutely will not answer their cell phones while they are driving.

Yesterday, while driving near the downtown area, I saw no less than 3 drivers pulled over, talking on their cell phones.

This was in a distance of only about 4 city blocks; it was near dusk, and the cars had their lights on; I paid particular attention to them, in case they pulled into traffic in front of me. None did. They weren't Darwin material, apparently...
 

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"I brake for no apparent reason" - right next to a "hang up and drive" sticker.
"I didn't notice the last tailgater until I got home"-On an H2
"Kick a little Asphalt" - On my old trans-am
"If you can read this you are in phaser range"
and of course the eternal "Have a nice day"
 

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Playboy, thats my old sticker /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I recently got a new auto and need to get another, check out www.rightnation.us They have some other great, and less subtle (sp?) stickers. "Stop Global Whining" and "Thank Me! I voted for Bush" plus many many more.

Cameron
 

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I thought this was bumper sticker wisdom!

Before anyone decides I'm bashing bush, I should point out that I'm talking about the political stickers. There's seldom anything wise in political slogans.


Now for one on topic.

"Tailgate at your own risk". The bumper sticker was provided by a chewing tobacco company.

Daniel
 
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