PLEASE help the animals

ChocolateLab33

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Hello Everyone,

I am asking for your help for all of the animals that have been displaced by Hurricane Katrina. Please go to hua.org for information on how you can help. I know I can count on my fellow CPF members.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!
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electronics4life

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I know this probably sounds harsh. Shouldn't we help the people first? After all people have been helped, then we can worry about animals....
 

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electronics4life said:
I know this probably sounds harsh. Shouldn't we help the people first? After all people have been helped, then we can worry about animals....

The people are being helped. The shelters that are taking in the animals need donations just like the Red Cross. They can't do it alone. PLEASE
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I don't know if I'd call it harsh, E4Life. I would consider it overly critical.

We all play a part in humanitarian deeds. Some may not correspond to your priorities, and some will. Thousands of pets abandoned and lost in the disaster area is not an insignificant event. It too is worthy of the aid of those with a calling in that area of concern.
 

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think of this that pet may be the only thing a person has left.after a awefull thing like that ,id like to bring em back some love of there pet.i know the pets would do all they could do to save there owners if they undrstood what was gong on and new how
 

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A large part of the animals that are still around have gone feral. They are eating whatever and whomever they can find.
 

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raggie33 said:
think of this that pet may be the only thing a person has left.after a awefull thing like that ,id like to bring em back some love of there pet.i know the pets would do all they could do to save there owners if they undrstood what was gong on and new how

I did read that one man refused to get on a boat because he had to leave his dog. He said he lost his house, car and everything else and would not leave his dog because his dog was the only thing he could trust.

DOG=unconditional love
DOG is what spelled backwards?
You get the picture.

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electronics4life said:
I know this probably sounds harsh. Shouldn't we help the people first? After all people have been helped, then we can worry about animals....
You are helping the people by helping the animals. Many people who went to shelters had to make the heart-breaking decision to leave their animals behind because they weren't allowed in the shelter. Now many of those animals are dying of hunger or thrist or disease. I'm sure those who left their animals behind would be more than grateful to get them back. I know it might sound silly to say this, but for some people their animal is the only friend and companion they have.
 

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For some people, those dogs are family members. I would forever be grateful if someone helped save my dog from certain death. Understandabley, you need to put human life first but those 'dead dog' scenes on the news still broke my heart. If its possible to save both human life and domesticated animal life that would be nice.

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ChocolateLab33 said:
DOG=unconditional love

Ya got that right, ChocolateLab. Animals give us so much and ask for so little.
They don't care how much money you have, what you look like, what kind of car you drive, etc. They just love you for who you are. If only more people could learn the lessons that animals teach us.
 

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PhotonWrangler said:
Ya got that right, ChocolateLab. Animals give us so much and ask for so little.
They don't care how much money you have, what you look like, what kind of car you drive, etc. They just love you for who you are. If only more people could learn the lessons that animals teach us.

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That's very nice and so true.
 

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electronics4life said:
I know this probably sounds harsh. Shouldn't we help the people first? After all people have been helped, then we can worry about animals....

There's no rule that says that we can't do both things at once.

And helping the domestic animals is our responsibility. Those animals need and deserve our help. And so few people actually think about what happens to pets in situations like these. Many simply starve to death or die of thirst, trapped inside buildings, or wandering around abandoned.

Worry is not something you control. If you aren't worried about all of the cats and dogs and other animals down there, then I feel sorry for you.

The rational part of our brains likes to do risk and loss calculations, and weigh one side of a scale against another, as if we can weigh such things. But the sympathetic and emotional side of our brains--or, more correctly, our heart--knows that every being is unique and cannot be measured and quantified against any other. The parable of the lost sheep in the Gospels emphasizes just this truth. The good shepherd does not want to lose even one sheep. There are no "acceptable losses". There is no weighing out of the cost of keeping sheep safe with the cost of a lost sheep.

There may be parents who can say that they love one child more than another, but I can't fathom their mental makeup.

If I had to choose between my cats and evacuation, it would break my heart. I can easily imagine that I would not be able to do leave. And I don't have to imagine what I would feel like if I did.

And I couldn't begin to express how grateful I would be for the people and organizations that would take it upon themselves to rescue and care for them.

That is why my wife and I donated to the humane society, along with our donations to the red cross, Chop, and Rick258.

So to answer your question,

NO, we can't wait until "all the people are helped" before we help the animals because

(1) by then it would be too late
(2) helping the animals is helping the people. If you don't have any non-human members of your family, then just trust me on this one, OK?
 

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I've been staying away from this thread for a while, but it's bugging me.I'm going to tone down my initial reaction to the limited thinking in this thread. I will however paste text from emails sent to me. It has been de-personalized to protect the privacy of others.

Quote

This is what we are facing. Pray for us
------------------------
This is from one of the volunteers onsite at Lamar Dixon. The story
tells me
that it is likely going to be too late for very many horses to have
survived
this ridiculously long wait to rescue them. Many will die of
dehydration.
****************************************************************************
*******************************
Today we had a team of people go into what's left of the French Quarter
and
rescue some of the carriage horses. They all came from one barn. We
hope to
go to a few other of the carriage horse barns tomorrow.

This is a great story...the storm was over and the water was rising.
The
family needed to evacuate, but these horses were not only their pets,
but
their partners. The old man and the rest of the family were
rescued....the
middle aged son stayed behind to care for the family's horses. For 6
days
the man did all he could to save the horses. The jenny mule freaked out
one
day and drug him about 4 blocks through waste high water. He held on to
her
and got her back home.

One of the horses got caught on something and panicked. As he was
trying to
free the large draft horse, he heard her a pop and she fell to the
ground.
Her neck was broken and she died.

When we heard news at the barn that the got the horses, the told us
that one
was down in the trailer. When they got back, she was barely alive. The
LSU
Vet Team did everything they could to help her....finally the decision
was
made to help her over the Bridge. When we opened the back of the fourth
trailer to unload there was another horse down. This one did not make
it
either.

All in all, we have 19 very dehydrated, but happy carriage horses. Most
are
drafts and draft crosses. There are 2 mules and some beautiful Arabs.
Hopefully they will continue to recover. The saddest part was knowing
the
son had to see two more of his beloved horses pass over. He kept saying
that
he had tried so hard to save them. He went for six days with very
little
food or water just to save his friends. He was in waist deep water for
that
long.

After we got all the horses settled in, I took him to the shelter at
Lamar
Dixon and got him a change of clothes, a shower, a hot meal and some
medical
treatment. When he left for the night, he hugged me and kissed my
cheek. It
made me cry...what a hero.

Tomorrow we are going to try to go back and get some more of these
carriage
horses. To me, they encompass so much of the character that was New
Orleans.
They are giant, beautiful and kind creatures. I got quite a few nuzzles
and
kisses from them before I left tonight.

Although I am so sad for the ones we lost, am so pleased we got the 19
we
did. It was mass chaos trying to get these beasts out of the trailer at
night in a strange place after all they have been through. To make
matters
worse, they nearly had to jump over their fallen comrades to get out.

Tomorrow will be another long day.

Goodnight!




Habitat for Horses, Inc/Lone Star Equine Rescue, Inc
A Nonprofit Equine Rescue and Rehabilitation Center
habitatforhorses.org/lser.org
Become a member! Donate Now!
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Quote
erry gave you a rundown of the situation. There is not too much more I
can
add at the moment other than a personal reflection of what I saw, heard
and
felt.

RT and I left early this morning. We finally arrived at the Expo Center
in
Gonzales, a huge place, filled with thousands of people. Military guys
carrying M-16s and looking very pissed off guarded each gate. Somehow,
we
made them believe we were good people and just needed to drive to the
horse
area.

We had a long talk with the people at that location, including the vets
in
charge of the operation. From the mouths of those in complete control
of the
large animal rescue operation, we now know several facts -

1) This is now a military operation. Everyone takes orders from them.
It has
been taken out of the hands of FEMA, the Louisiana politicians, the New
Orleans mayor and the other government agencies.
2) Everything changes from minute to minute. Up until yesterday, hardly
anyone know what was going or who was doing what to whom. Rumors and
out and
out lies were being spread faster than hot butter, which is why we
could
never get a straight answer. It's a little better now, but not much.
For
instance, trucks delivering feed and hay must have a "permit" to come
into
the state, but no one knew anything about how to get a permit. It took
the
head vet several hours last night to find out who issued the permits
and to
obtain one for our delivery of hay from Illinois. The truck is being
loaded
tonight. The same trucking company has a load of water that in being
held up
at the border for the past two days because the driver didn't have a
permit.
3) We are working with the Louisiana Veterinary Medical Association.
They
are solely in charge of the animal rescue part. The HSUS isn't, FEMA
isn't
anymore, and no one else is. They are under the military command.
4) HSUS has collected a bunch of dogs and cats at the same location.
They
did not go into the zone and get them. Evacuees brought them and are
not
allowed to keep them in the shelter.
5) Someone spread a rumor that HfH/LSER was evacuating horses and
moving
them to Texas. Whoever did that almost killed our whole operation.
6) We are on standby until the military clears the areas. NO ONE is
going in
to rescue any animals until then. The vets and armed guys pulled out 69
horses from a stable in three hours two days ago. Those are the only
horses
at the center. One was left because the owner was taking care of him.
Why
they didn't make the owner leave is beyond me because everyone is to
leave
the Orleans Parish. Someone, somewhere, cared about a foundered horses
that
couldn't load. Amazing.
7) If anyone, any group, tries to evacuate horses, they will be forced
to
leave at gunpoint.

They will be expecting our shipment of supplies next week. Both Purina
and
Nutrena came through and are filling them up with feed. Some of us
pushed
for this and didn't hear back, but that doesn't matter. They did it and
everyone needs to realize how good these two companies are for doing
it.

We have more people doing more things than I could possibly list. The
enthusiasm and organizational ability of our group is shining in a
black
cloud of total confusion. It took awhile to pull it together, but
thanks to
the efforts of the many, it's being done.

One thing I want to scream and yell about, and the purpose of the whole
effort - the horses - are still standing out there or they are dead.
I'm not
going to express my feelings about this now because nothing good would
come
of it. The new changes have been made and rules set out. The moment for
us
to go in has still not come, but instead of waiting and wondering and
waiting a little longer, we've turned our attention to gathering
supplies.
We have a 32' trailer sitting in Lafayette, a trailer will be at the
ranch
on Tuesday to load the supplies, we've introduced ourselves to, talked
with
and explained ourselves to all the people that need to know and now we
wait
for the real hands-on experience of pulling horses out of danger with
the
possibility of returning them to their owners.

I am more than thankful that the operation was turned over to the
military.
Had it not been, thousands more would have died. What we saw this
morning
was nothing less than an entire nation turning into an effective
machine to
extract and protect the living humans. I can only hope, and pray, that
the
horses, dogs, cats, cattle and other living creatures will be next.

We will never know how many we could have saved had we had a chance. At
some
point, perhaps, there will be a time to look back on what should have
happened but didn't, but for now, let our thoughts be on what we can do
and
on how to do it in the most effective way possible.

Our world is changing right before our eyes. This part of the country
will
never be the same, and the country will be shaken to its core when the
final
death toll comes out. Our economy, or way of life, our belief in the
structure of our society will need to be rethought. I can only hope
that in
the process, the few in charge will understand that we hold dear not
only
the lives of our fellow humans, but also the lives of our pets. They
had
nothing to do with this, yet they are the last to be helped.

If we are allowed to go in, that makes us the last responders, and the
last
hope for their lives.


Habitat for Horses, Inc/Lone Star Equine Rescue, Inc
A Nonprofit Equine Rescue and Rehabilitation Center
habitatforhorses.org/lser.org
Become a member! Donate Now!
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We as humans have taken on responsibility for many animals, not just dogs and cats.
 

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"Our world is changing right before our eyes. This part of the country
will
never be the same, and the country will be shaken to its core when the
final
death toll comes out. Our economy, or way of life, our belief in the
structure of our society will need to be rethought. I can only hope
that in
the process, the few in charge will understand that we hold dear not
only
the lives of our fellow humans, but also the lives of our pets. They
had
nothing to do with this, yet they are the last to be helped.

If we are allowed to go in, that makes us the last responders, and the
last
hope for their lives."


Priorties and politics cannot impede the genuine spirit and strength of private Americans' resolve, the basic foundation uniting these United States. Through painful heartwrenching adversity, this nation arose and showed it's greatness, in so many ways. Such stories as this of heroic sacrifice inspire us all. The world looks to America for true leadership, not simply economic/military power. Let each allow individual conscience to guide them during these difficult times, trusting in their heart-of- hearts above all. Together we stand...united by conviction and one in faith.

Regrettably, Katrina must be seen as yet another opportunity to train and prepare, for what could well prove to be far worse situations in the near future. As the sole remaining superpower in this fragile world, much more depends on each of you than most may choose to realize, or wish to admit. I only wish I'd been born south of the border myself...Please know at least that we 'Canadians' feel for and support you as a people, in spite of what governments may do or media report.

God bless America!!!
 

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hmm weird, can't get the image link working either, and I can't delete this post.
 
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