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    Default Upgrades for SF E2E?

    I'm really considering getting the SureFire E2E beacause of the size and the pure quality of the product directly from the manufacturer. However, I'm really interested in possibly using this light as a base for an LED flashlight. What sort of options are available for taking an E2E (using regular primary 123 cells) and using LEDs? I'd really like to hear all the options. I've seen a few at various sites like the BOG 3W/5W, but thats about it. I'm going to do some searches and check the various CPF advertisers, but I figured I'd ask now so I can get some up-to-date and current answers. Thanks guys, I appreciate it!

    Oh, also, can someone tell me how if I were to get the E2E I could make and/or adapt the switch so that the light could stand on end? Thanks.

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    Check Surefires website. They clearly list KL4 and KL1 as options for upgrades.
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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    I suppose I should of said that I saw those as well, sorry. I'm curious as to the custom modifications that could be done by way of parts that aren't directly from SureFire, though I do understand that the SureFire parts are pretty much just as good, however pretty expensive. Just curious of the different options, thanks.

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    Question Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    Hi pcmike-

    Are you saying you are considering permanently modding the incan head on your E2E to LED?

    I'm sure this could be done, but I am not so sure you would end up with as satisfactory result as using SF parts made to do this.

    If you want a light about the size of an E2 that is LED only, you might consider the L4. It is about one half inch longer than the E2, but uses the KL4 5W head. I think you would be challenged to equal this LED output or quality with a mod.

    Also, another good choice, IMO, is add a KL1 head to your E2. Under $50 and good throw from the 3W Luxeon. You also maintain the ability to switch between incan and LED easily and quickly.

    I am not familiar with any third part drop-ins that will fit an E series head or how they might work.

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    Nope, not permenantly modify the head to LED, just screw old head off and screw new head on.

    When the K2 emitters come out do you think SF would make a new LED conversion module that would work with an E2E or possibly be able to screw onto the L4? I'd hate to get stuck with a $100+ light that can't be upgraded to the new K2s when they are finally released. Also, are the various LED heads interchangeable on the L-series of lights? Thanks.

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    Also, are the various LED heads interchangeable on the L-series of lights?
    pcmike - L4 heads can go onto E series bodies, basically you can take an E1e and put a KL4 onto it and thats called a TW4. Then take a MN02 or 03 and put that into the E1e incandescent head and put that onto an L4 body.

    The L1 and L2 are set-up in a away that the regulation boards are in the body not the head (like the KL1/KL4/KL5/KL6.) I have tried a L2 head on an E2e and found it to work, its just not regulated anymore in that set-up.

    A KL5 comes on an M2 body marked L5. I think the KL5 head is capable of being placed onto an E series body with appropriate adaptor (think E2C or LM61.)

    A KL6 comes on a M3 body marked L6. This head can be used on the M3, M4, and M6 lights. I am not aware of any adaptor to put the KL6 onto another body (M3-6 series to C/D/P/G or E series.)

    I think putting a KL4 head onto the L2 will be a fairly interesting set-up? Pretty much cancels itself out. The L2 on low will resist the voltage/current to the head and the KL4 head will try to boost it to power the LuxV.

    I am not familiar with the K2's.

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    Are Surefire warranties transferable? For example, if I bought a L3 off eBay does the lifetime warranty still cover me?

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    Check the http://theledguy.chainreactionweb.com/index.php Sandwich Shoppe for Aleph heads and tailcaps. Any Aleph head fits the E2e body, but you build it yourself by picking your own LED and regulator board. The Aleph tailcaps allow tailstanding, and you can transfer your E2e switch internals to the Aleph cap, or buy the McE2s two-stage switch internals.

    However, the E2e is a nice incandescent as it is. I leave mine stock and keep it in one of my jackets. In spite of it not being regulated and possibly blowing a lamp out, it's still a great little light with good throw.

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    louie, thanks for the answers. I understand that the E2E is great as is, but I'd prefer longer runtime in its form factor. I always carry a modified maglite that can put out 120L (out the front) for 70mins in my car and I have a modified Mag that can put out a minimum of 170L (out the front) for 67mins that sits on my desk. I'm looking for something that is small (E2E) size that can give me alot of light and long runtime. The E2E with an LED head or an L4 seems like what I need, but I'm open to other options that have the same quality. I just want to start out with the most versatile base light that is also the most affordable.

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    Quote Originally Posted by pcmike
    Are Surefire warranties transferable? For example, if I bought a L3 off eBay does the lifetime warranty still cover me?
    Yes, if an L3 exists......

    To my knowledge, if its a Surefire product, it is covered under warranty (minus bulbs and batteries.)

    EDIT: After playing with a KL4 head on a E1e body with McGizmo two stage switch with a Battery Station RCR123, I so WANTED one. But I am saving my beans up for a HDS U60 and Surefire A2.

    Same goes for an L4 with the McGizmo two stage switch (can be set-up with a specified resistance to my knowledge), like an L2 but smaller (L2 still has the max 100 watt output while the L4 has a 60 lumen output.)
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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    The Aleph series from McGizmo is a good place to start, have a look through the thread here

    He also sells tailcaps that will let you stand your E2e on its end.

    It might work out slightly more expensive to go this route, but because everything is custom built, you can choose a specification more suited to your own needs than an off-the-shelf solution might.

    For instance, outright brightness might be more important to you than battery life, in which case you can specify a unit with a high drive level. And because of the modular design of the Aleph heads, you can even buy different "Light Engines" (basically the component that contains the LED and the electronics) with different specs, and switch between the 2 as needs dictate. In effect, you can have a LED version of Surefire's High output and Low Output Lamp Assemblies.

    His tailcaps also have a hi/low function like Surefire's L1 and L2.

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    Well this thread has kind of turned me onto the Aleph system. I haven't quite worked out a spec. yet, but I'm thinking of something in an Aleph body w/ a McR-19 reflector in a I think it's the Aleph-19 head using 2x123 w/ a Downboy (what voltage, I have no clue), perferablely I'd want a low/high (which I guess I can do via a tailcap? Are all these parts still available? I don't want to get too excited on a spec and then find out its not possible to build! Very interesting...

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    There is a lot to be said for the Surefire heads. I bought recently an E2E, E1L and the KL4 head. That gives me the option of putting either LED head on either body depending on the combination of runtime and output I want. The KL1 has very nice throw and runtime and the more I use it the more I like it. The KL4 was love at first sight. It is a wonderful floodlight. Much more output than the KL1. I just added a two stage tailcap from Lighthound to them tonight. It is another great feature that lets you use either KL head in a two stage mode. Love it. Going to order another one as soon as I play around with it a bit and decide if I want the same resistor as in this one (30 ohm) or another one. Also maybe a different style tailcap.

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    The Aleph parts are available for sure from the Shoppe - specifically
    http://theledguy.chainreactionweb.co...cPath=48_56_58
    I think you can buy direct from Don (McGizmo), too.
    These parts are nicely made and allow amazing customization. If you don't need the Surefire logo, you can buy it all from the Aleph lineup.

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    Anyone happen to have a runtime chart for the various resistor values offered for the Aleph 2-stage tail switch when used on a 2x123 (using primary lithiums) body?

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    I think there's so many combos that no one has done runtimes, but check Roy's runtime thread. I know one of my generation 2 KL1s with high dome mod will run about 1.5 hours on one LiIon CR123 on full, and about 8 hours with the McE2S 22 Ohm. Then the go instantly dark due to the LiIon protection circuit. That should be about 2 hours on a primary lithium 123 and maybe 10 hours on low, then more time on dimming light. I didn't have the patience to try a run with 2 cells, especially something like 60 ohms!

    However, you get a lot less light than an E2e incand.

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    I was considering getting an aleph, but man it looks like its gonna really add up rather quickly. What I was considering was something like: aleph3 head + db917 + 2x123 body + twok + 2stage switch (15ohm). The head + LE alone is like $169.99 from lighthound, plus the body ($25) + switch ($44), I figure it'd be somewhere around $250 before shipping and all that jazz. For that kind of money I'd probably just buy a HDS light and call it a day, though I'd def. lose the runtime on high (which is what I want, so forget the HDS).

    The other thing I was looking at what using a Aleph body ($25) + switch ($44) + KL1 ($51), which would be around ~$120. That would definitely be less then buying a E2E then buying KL1, but not by much until you figure in that you still need a $44 switch for the E2E to get two levels. If you used E2E host, you're looking at what $95 + $51 + $44, or $190, but you'll have a xenon + LED. With the LED you're looking at 3hrs on high, 6hrs on low and with xenon the standard of 1.25hrs @~60l. At this point I'm really not sure what the heck I want to do if anything. I'm trying to decide if I REALLY NEED ANOTHER FLASHLIGHT in the first place.

    So many choices!

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    I think I'm just going to go with the E2E and use it as a Xenon light for awhile and then know that I got a TON of options later down the road. Anything I should be aware of when it comes to purchasing an E2E on eBay? Different versions, different years, different s/ns, please do tell!

    Also, whats the overall consensus on E2Es versus OTHER surefires when it comes to upgradeability and the most amount of options?

    THANKS GUYS, this thread has been all too helpful!

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    Too bad I can't make use of the 6P instead of the E2E w/ the aleph line of parts...... or is there a way?

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    Could someone please respond to the questions in the last few posts as this morning/afternoon based on this thread I'm going to go to a local gun range and hopefully purchase a SF. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    E2E / E20 / E2D all pretty much the same. Different lamps, and the E2D has the strike bezel, but all should be the same body type. The E-series is the smallest of the Surefires, and is the most versatile. You can use the different lamps, different heads. You can use an E2C adapter, and use the C series heads. You can add a cell extender with a C-Series head, and a P-91 lamp for 200 lumens. You can also use the E2C to use the KL3, and KL5 heads. Plus all the mods. There is just to many possibilities to list them all. If this is your first SF you can't go wrong with the E-Series. If it will see lots of use, I would recommend the HA3 finish.
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    Sorry, I can answer about the older versions I rather new to the flashlight game. The incandescent bulb in the E2E is great. You will really like it.

    I think the E series probably has a bit more options than the other Surefires. For instance it is easy to have both a one cell and two cell body. But realistically you can do most of the things that you can do with the E series within other Surefire lines as well. It seemed to me when I got them that the main advantage over the other Surefires is the smaller size.

    I have a 9P as well. I can get two diifferent LED heads for it, like for the E series. I can even use Pila rechargeable batteries in it with an incandescent lamp. But it is a lot bigger than an E series. I can easily carry either an E1 or E2 in my pocket. The 9P is a bit tough to do that with. I keep the 9P at home near its batteries charger and have the E lights with me when I am away from the house.

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    I went around to a few places this morning to pick up a NEW E2e. Let me tell you, I'm pretty impressed. It's not dark yet, but I can speak forever about the quality of construction on this light. This is my first SF (I've owned and returned a SL Scorpion) and hands down, I'd rather have a SF over a SL.

    First, I went to a local gun range.. they had one E2e left and the box had already been opened. Rather then be rude and call the guy on it, I took it out of the box and inspected it and noticed the clip was bent and had marks on it and the barrel had two marks. I politely told the man I was just looking and not interested in purchasing and walked out. I was pretty disappointed that he didn't tell me the light was used when I had spoke to him on the phone. Not to mention, he was selling it for $105. Such a rip in my book.

    My next stop was 30miles out of my way to another gun range/store. They had a huge SF display and had everything in stock. Not to mention they were selling all the SF at full retail price which was nice. They even offered me the E2e in either a blister pack or box, I chose the box. It was $100.07 with tax for the HA version (pretty much only one they stock since no one seems to buy the others they said).

    Overall, I'm impressed. I just wish the clip was reversed like on the McLux lights so that the bezel was face down in your pocket. However, since the light will mostly be in my bookbag anyhow (and not in my pocket) this really isn't a big concern. I just really love the construction and the fact that the beam quality is prefect (from what I can tell in day light). Just awesome!

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    pcmike...great questions and responses! This has me on the E series now. Was consideringthe L2.

    I'mthinking of the E2D so I can stand it on end in stock form. Also have Aleph 1x123 body and McE2s....with a KL1 or Kl4 later, I'd have some variety.

    Curiously, are the two stage SF (L1/L2) compatible with the E body or would the McGizmo two stage be a nicer option? This all ads up though.
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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    My opinions on flashlights seems to be changing just as much as I change my underwear (daily). I'm currently considering taking my E2e back and getting a Mr. Bulk Chameleon, or a Orb LED, or McLuxIII-PD. The E2e is a nice base, but thats about it. It's little too long for an EDC and not flexible enough for an EDC in stock form. I'm pretty much decided that what I want is an LuxeonIII LED based light that is fully regulated and has multiple brightness levels. The Chameleon offers all of what I seem to want right now and more!

    Be sure to checkout the Chameleon over at flashlight-forums (do a search for it as I'm not sure I can post a direct link on this message board) before they are all spoken for! They seem to be an incredible baragin thus far!$

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    This how we ultimately end up buying a multitude of different lights. My purposes for this one is strictly a home light for when the sheep hit the fan.

    Before then it was a small light for my overseas travel that was a 1x123 format. HDS was too much $$ and I'm somewhere between the Fenix L1P and ?

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    Yea, the HDS is too much for me as well. My limit is ~$200. Anymore is just insane for an EDC light. I mean is there REALLY that much difference (except for the LED and board) between the cheapest HDS light and the most expensive to warrant the HUGE price difference? There probably is and I'm just not seeing it, but it just seems excessive to me at this point. Don't mean to step on any toes with that comment; like I said I probably missed something that justifies the price difference (even if it is just exclusivity, I understand that too)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonC8301
    pcmike - L4 heads can go onto E series bodies, basically you can take an E1e and put a KL4 onto it and thats called a TW4. Then take a MN02 or 03 and put that into the E1e incandescent head and put that onto an L4 body.

    The L1 and L2 are set-up in a away that the regulation boards are in the body not the head (like the KL1/KL4/KL5/KL6.) I have tried a L2 head on an E2e and found it to work, its just not regulated anymore in that set-up.

    A KL5 comes on an M2 body marked L5. I think the KL5 head is capable of being placed onto an E series body with appropriate adaptor (think E2C or LM61.)

    A KL6 comes on a M3 body marked L6. This head can be used on the M3, M4, and M6 lights. I am not aware of any adaptor to put the KL6 onto another body (M3-6 series to C/D/P/G or E series.)

    I think putting a KL4 head onto the L2 will be a fairly interesting set-up? Pretty much cancels itself out. The L2 on low will resist the voltage/current to the head and the KL4 head will try to boost it to power the LuxV.

    I am not familiar with the K2's.
    excellent post... i had no idea you could put a L2 head on a E2e/E2L body and get it to work... i'll have to do that when i get home! so cool... i'd be interested to see the runtime on it since its unregulated...

    however... i was told that a KL1 head doesn't work on an L2 body.... so i would assume that a KL4 head wouldn't work either... but i'm not sure... basicly though the KL4 head is the L2 head is it not?



    Quote Originally Posted by RA40
    pcmike...great questions and responses! This has me on the E series now. Was consideringthe L2.

    I'mthinking of the E2D so I can stand it on end in stock form. Also have Aleph 1x123 body and McE2s....with a KL1 or Kl4 later, I'd have some variety.

    Curiously, are the two stage SF (L1/L2) compatible with the E body or would the McGizmo two stage be a nicer option? This all ads up though.
    for the most part the L1/L2's are not E-series compatable... however i have an L2 and a bunch of E-series accessories and i haven't combinded them...

    jason above wrote that he got his L2 head to work on an E2e/E2L body... i'll try that once i get home...

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    i truely love the E-series lights... they allow you so many options! thanks for the great thread guys!

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    Default Re: Upgrades for SF E2E?

    I think there are probably more combo's out there than may have been openly posted. Just have to experiment to see what may work. I'm really excited that Aleph parts fit the E series. Maybe the Aleph CR2 and/or the 1.5x123 bodies for a slightly smaller form factor.

    First I have to save some $$ up.
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    I love my SF e-series lego set (E1e, E1L, E2d, 3 KL-1's, 2 vital gear FB-1's, E-series bezel spare)
    But i wouldn't knock HDS tell you tried it, or Mcgizmo either. I have pretty much used my Basic 60 exclusively for 7 mth's and see no need for most other light's. You learn a multi level light will end up not being a major battery eater since you find that you don't need full blast all the time.
    And with LED's like HDS and mcgizmo Li ion batteries run great in them, and don't cost nothing to run other then the first "buy" for a charger
    and say two batt's (about roughy 30$). you running nothing but winner's when you go with mcgizmo, HDS, and SF.VDG
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