Old4570, I'm sorry you are seeing my posts as trying to be antagonistic or silly. That is honestly not how I am trying to speak about this, and I appreciated you presenting the cells in the first place, as I had not heard about them. I'm used to being able to challenge someone bringing a new product to our attention, and honestly do not think there would have been as much uncertainty, had we seen the typical discharge performance graphs we are used to when evaluating new batteries. I have not said (or implied) that there is necessarily anything wrong with these Panasonics, just that we don't yet have the typical performance information we need.
I also don't have anything against CK personally which I never heard about before, but this is a large community that may want to try these cells he is listing. As such, it makes sense to assume people are trying to be constructive in their questions, rather than assuming we have some blood oath to AW OR CPF and need to be attacked. If these cells work better for certain applications than AW or other IMR cells, then that's great, and would be a pleasure to use. Before I can make that determination I would have the same questions if God Almighty brought forth these new PSS Panasonics to the market. My comments about several talking/behaving in a way that generates animosity towards people like me asking about them was not restricted to xxllmm4.
We need to be able to get a fair evaluation and learn about new products rather than just accepting their value and agreeing they work as well as is being claimed in this thread. I would have thought having a back and forth set of conversations about how to appreciate these cells among the many out there would have been useful, but alas we are not getting anywhere useful, so I'll bow out.