if they had RHD lamps I would have modified them for LHD again another discussion.
Again, you're conflating RHD with LHT, and LHD with RHT. From a lighting standpoint, the position of the driver in the vehicle is unimportant, it is the position of the car on the road. There ARE considerations for importing RHD vehicles into the US based on other safety performance, like crash-worthiness, but for lighting purposes the only thing that matters is the traffic directionality.
One I never said I'd use fogs as headlights thats your presumption.
I probably made that assumption based on your implication:
It's so you can crawl around with nothing but the fogs.
From what in reading from your post you're on some kind of high horse.
I don't know how to respond to that. I'm just giving information and some opinion.
I now remember why I stopped coming back to CPF. There are ways of presenting your so-called facts without being condescending.
If they are merely "so-called facts" then they are opinions. Facts in themselves are facts.
And yes my driving experience is important to the discussion because it sounds like you've never driven only with fogs on and passed information on from what's on the Internet. Again proves you to be presumptuous.
Again, your driving experience is anecdotal and subjective. That's not to say the experience itself is worthless, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you're a better or worse driver than anyone else, or that you're better qualified to determine the proper selection, installation, and placement of lamps than the engineers who do it based on objective testing and working with much more data than one driver's (or several drivers' collective) experience.
If I've driven only with fog lamps on, then I'd have either driven with them on in the day, which is of limited utility (and not a substitute for proper DRLs); at night if I were to use fog lamps I'd keep my low beams on-- if the fog got any thicker that my low beams were too much of a problem, I'd get off the road entirely and wait for such conditions to pass. Driving at night with only fog lamps on is using them in substitution of headlamps.
All so Your posts are presumptuous in nature so far.
You keep saying that; I'll review my posts and check with a moderator to see if they agree.
Dont you think I would know to test and add a relay/harness before adding it if I has come this far?
You didn't say you had tested. The test results would have been interesting to see and would have helped us to help you.
The real reason why I'm here is because I've done my reasearch and I'm really looking for Schinwerfermann's advice.
No one thread belongs to any one person, essentially. You're not free to choose who responds to your posts, and dismissing people people using the tone argument fallacy can lead to you not getting the information and results you need-- and is a form of derailment.
And I was wrong in saying the SAE standard is out of date. But it could be improved upon. The glare control guide lines is one. Why are cutoffs still so bad on some new vehicles?And not making rear fogs mandatory is another.
To improve either the SAE or the UN standards would take years of research and testing and dollars and committees and legislation and so on. Headlamps are being improved constantly (such as the "glare-free high beams" being worked on).
Rear fog lamps are an unnecessary expense for many people depending on geographical regions and driving habits. It would also require additional driver education on their proper use, and additional enforcement of their use (or non-use).
So the lights are above average but that's relative how do I get them to be better?
The 9012 (HIR2) in the low beam socket, and the 9011 (HIR) in the high beam socket will go a long way towards getting more light out there. Again, this is assuming the lenses are as close to factory clear as they can be; bubbles, cracks, hazing, and crazing in the lens will take that light and generate more glare.