PILA-review by a non-believer

Kiessling

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Hi guys.

Some of you might have noticed that I am not particularly fond of rechargeable batteries in general, and Li-Ions aren't an exception. You might think that my behaviour is strange at least, but I can offer reasons for my opinions:

Some disadvantages of rechargeables aka "Why I don't like them":
- They need care, I do not have that time nor the will
- I do not like chargers running in my home with potential risks associated, especially when I am not at home or asleep
- I'd like to be able to change batts "in the field" with usually available replacements
- If the batts are empty, I'd like to replace them, not wait for a recharge
- I'd like to be sure to have top performance with a new load, and not degrading rechargeables
- It will take a long time to pay for the expensive Li-Ions and their charger compared with now cheap CR123s
- Rechargeables are potentially dangerous, especially Li-Ions and when used in series
- Rechargeables represent one more variable that can go wrong in an already complex system, making diagnostics harder
- The lifespan of Li-Ions seems to be about 3 years top … regardless of the number of cycles

... and all this just to avoid a few bucks per week for fresh batteries .... no way. And I really like fresh batteries ... ya know ... maybe something Freudian ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
That was my opinion until a few weeks ago …


So … why this post then?

The culprit is JonSidneyB, the president ( /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ) of JSBurly's, our very own PILA specialist. Jon approached me with a challenge … he would provide some PILA rechargeable batteries for various lights and I was to test them and eventually try to do the most objective review I could come up with. This fellow is so convinced of the power of his PILAs that he thinks I'll be an easy convert once I try them out … while I was pretty sure that nothing could change the foundations of my world so easily, especially not a rechargeable battery /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/touche.gif

Here we are now … testing the following set-ups:

PILA1.jpg


I tested the batteries for about 3 weeks, used them in-house and on a small business journey including the charger, and tried everything I could to prove Jon wrong /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif …


The First Glance

They look good, well made and feel good in the hand. The positive end is quite flat and almost wants to hide, but otherwise nothing more to say. Likewise for the charger … relatively small with a solid feel.


Taming the Beast

Before using them, you have to think first. Which PILA will fit where and how will the converter and the LED digest the Li-Ion? This isn't trivial since certain combos will kill your nice light immediately, such as a BB/LuxIII and maybe even a BB/LuxV … /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif
This was a whole new world to me and I almost goofed several times while playing flashaholic's Lego with my E-Series lights /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif .
Further more, some of the body-tolerances are a rather tight fit and I almost had to force the PILA in, but it worked every time, so no complaints here.
The PILAs are protected cells /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif , which is great because I didn't have to worry about damaging the cells in prolonged usage AND I felt somewhat safer … protection OF the cell and FROM the cell /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crackup.gif


Feeding and Maintaining the Beast

Charging isn't worth discussing since the charger accepts different batteries (up to two) with different energy-levels without a complaint and does its job quickly. It worked every time I used it, even when the batteries where warm from the previous use. The charger won't get uncomfortably hot either, and a nice green light signals the newly available "guilt-free lumens". Using this word for the first time myself feels strange indeed … /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

PILAs are of course maintenance-free … BUT you have to treat them better than you average throw-away CR123 since they will spend quite some time with you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif . I learned with some bad experiences …

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… that it is best to check for a proper fit *first* upon using a PILA in a new light. The tolerances are somewhat different to a CR123 and the relatively flat (+)-end might have contact-difficulties, especially when ditched by an idiot user (that would be me /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif ).
I repaired it with a screw-driver but felt really really bad while doing so … /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


The Power of the PILA /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evilgrin07.gif

Well … not much to say here that isn't common knowledge already. Those batteries are certainly performers, especially in high-drain applications. The U2 on level6 would not reach full throttle, but apart from this one, the PILAs pumped out the juice admirably.
However, they still cannot compete with the CR123 primary cells in runtime, especially not in low-drain applications or low-modes.


Ergonomics

The term "ergonomics" in conjunction with a battery seems strange at first glance, but for me, that is what it's all about. The choice of a rechargeable system should make the usage of your tool easier in several aspects of life to be worth the trouble. While the above points were merely a check-up for the perfection of the implemented technology, ergonomic considerations will be the deciding factor.

… money: while the initial investment is rather steep (you'll need at least one charger, maybe a car charger and several batteries), it pays off on the long run IF you use your lights on a regular basis. For the occasional user I do not see the point.

… time: not good. Effort investment is needed to use the PILAs whereas primary CR123s do not require any actions.

… ease of use: High initial effort investment, but once you've got it all figured out … piece of cake.

… handling: After having figured out how and in which light to use them, there's no problem at all.

… at home: A blast. Most of the disadvantages disappear.

… travelling: Depends on where you go (electricity for the charger?) and how long you'd need your lights without a recharge-possibility. For me it is too much trouble carrying the charger, the spares and additional CR123s, but in situations with heavy use in civilised environments it might actually be less painful to carry your PILA-system than a ton of primary cells.

… safety: It seems that the PILAs might be less safe than CR123, especially when used in series in high-drain lights, but I am no expert here. I personally do not like chargers working when not supervised by me.

… performance: Less than primary cells but quite acceptable, depending on type of usage.

… reliability: No problem I think as long as you don't use old cells … but in the years to come that might actually become a problem.

… versatility: Not as good as CR123, but as you choose your light system according to your need this point can be considered moot /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif .

… geek-factor: Definitely very high /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif



Conclusions …

PILAs are great cells that seem to offer a very high quality standard and a high performance, they pass my personal quality-requirements with flying colors. However, in most important points they are inferior to primary CR123s, at least in my world. The one thing that saves them is cost, where they can annihilate all primary cells … but only if the lights are used on a regular basis.
So … if you use your lights a lot and can accept and / or overcome the disadvantages that come with a rechargeable system, the PILAs are a viable alternative to CR123s and might even be your only reasonable choice. For the occasional user I do not see a point here.

Am I a convert now?
No. The ergonomics of rechargeables do not fit my needs.
BUT … I had to shift my position somewhat and accept that PILAs do have something to offer for me, too, which is using them as workhorses at home to reduce the cost of CR123s significantly while switching back to primaries when leaving my home / castle.

Will I continue to use them? (Which, after all, is the question where we stop the talking and start the doing, thus the question might be considered more valid than the above one … /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif )
Yes, certainly I will. At home. And I am glad I have them now.

So Jon … you got a partial victory /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif … and I might even stop my crusage against rechargeable cells eventually. Maybe … /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink2.gif


Any of you who are still undecided about those Li-Ions, feel free to ask all the questions you'd like and rest assured that my answers will be as realistic as it gets given my well-known doubts about rechargeables in general …


bernhard



P.S.: a note about PILAs and the Wiz2 driver: because of the cut-off point of the Wiz2 you will experience an abrupt and dramatic shutdown of the light that won't occur with 2xCR123.
 

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Jeez...it's about freaking time Bernhard. Don't worry, those Pilas will grow on you.

Way to go JSB! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Nice writeup! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

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I disagree that the CR123s win on the time issue. You still have to take the time to purchase your CR123s - either an online order (and wait for delivery) or a visit to the store (at much greater cost of both time and money of course). With either type you can have one or more batteries in the pipeline ready to go, so it really isn't much of an issue.

I think it would also be fair to add an "environmental" factor, which I believe the rechargables would win.
 

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mrg3013 ... I have to spend more time to use a PILA-system than using my CR123s .. including ordering and storage.

Enviroment is a fair point though /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Peter ... they have grown on me more than I would have like /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif, but I honestly don't see them replacing my primary cells anytime soon ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Hello Bernhard,

Excellent review!

It is good to see you slightly moved from your original position on rechargeable's.

Pila's certainly have a place in our lights.

Tom
 

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I never thought I would see the day. Bernhard and rechargeables /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif
 

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Bernard:

Glad you like them, but:

If you don't use Pilas in some incandescent lights then you are missing the whole point of having it: it acts almost like a regulator. That's why I swear by them now in my C3 and c-size mag mods now...

Nick
 

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I walk an hour each evening in the dark, I use a McGizmo A3 with a Pila as my main light and a light with a cr123 as a back up is the Pila goes out (on protection) I have discharged the Pila a lot over the last few months, so much so that I am well ahead compared to using cr123's. It all depends on how you use the lights. Pilas are great!!!!!
 

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Bernhard,

What are the possible problems in using a Pila w/ a BB converter? I ask because I just got a PM6 w/ BB700 and X3U LuxV and dropped a Pila 168 in it and it looks great, at least as bright as w/ two 123's in it. But is there something about a BadBoy converter that contraindicates its use w/ a Pila? I certainly don't want to hurt my new toy.

--kirk
 

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Bernhard, that's why one of the requirements for my working lights is that they are both support rechargeable AND primary cells /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif your review is an excellent look at both the strength of rechargeable AND primary CR123s and as such it is valuable. Usually, rechargeable reviews are more focused on replacing CR123s entirely.

One of the things that I dislike is the charger. When travelling, I like to travel light. Try packing the Maha C777Plus2 plus power brick - it's a BIG charger! Whereas the SC3 is so pretty /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

What I would try to do is standardize on one kind of rechargeable (if possible) or keep types to a minimum. A universal charger or sticking to Pilas/Pila chargers only would help simplify the logistics. I use unprotected 18650s, and I have enough of them that I simply charge them up one time, and throw half a dozen into a cardboard box that's sized not to let them short against each other. I then use them like disposable batteries except that I throw discharged cells back into another box rather than in the trash /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I can come back and empty the box of discharged cells when I have the time, usually slap 'em on the charger and start reading CPF. Having enough cells and spares ready to go is expensive but the most convenient route. For my 18650s, I pull them from laptop packs so I practically get them 'free', hence being economical enough to have extras around when I need them.

Assuming I have no access to a charger, that's why I have 30 CR123 cells in a drawer ready to go at a moment's notice. For the U2 or an L4 it would be a no brainer, when the rechargeable runs down, pop it out - load two fresh CR123s in. Kinda just like changing batteries the normal way, minus throwing away depleted cells. CR123s have their advantages. You can always come back to your rechargeables when you have the time while using CR123s in the meantime.

However, I happen to know another Surefire user who seems to have more money than time (?!??!?! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/huh.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif) who is only interested in primary cells. Oh well.. to each his own, or for some of us, the best of both worlds.

Welcome to the best of both Kiessling! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif remember you can always switch back and forth whenever you feel like it.
 

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270winchester ... unfortunately I only have 2 incans ... a SF M6 and an E2D ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif ... so no go for me here.

Glow_Worm ... a Li-Ion with a BB and LuxV can burn out the converter for some unknown reason. This seems to be the case withthe newer revisions of the BB, I am unsure about the issue with older versions and generally speaking, I am an ignorant here, sorry. Might ask Wayne ...

Thanx for the warm welcome in your world, guys ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nana.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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I used to be the same way, my BB500 R2H minimag gulped alkalines constantly. That changed when I read the rechargable 2200 mAH Powerex cells would provide around 2.5 hours of use VS 1.5 hours of use out of alkalines in that high drain application.

The damning evidence was when I went to Iraq. I had 8 GE-Sanyo 2300 mAH NiMH AA cells, 4 Powerex 2200 mAH AA cells, two Powerex 11,000 mAH D cells and two Powerex 750 mAH cells. I rotated 48 sets of batteries through the BB500 R2H cells through the minimag mod along with 3 sets of alkalines in 5 months.

My other cells were put to good use, my camera ate 10 sets, my roomie's camera at 12 sets and he became addicted to NiMH rechargables. His speaker system gulped 3 AAs per change and he was always using the speakers. He recharged over 40 times on those GE-Sanyo 2300 mAH AA cells!

12 rechargable AA cells were running cameras, flashlights and speaker systems on a daily basis. That charger never went a day without charging something. There is nothing like "free" lumens and decibelts to go along with thousands of "free" pictures.

Do the math and those 12 rechargable AA batteries saved a ton of alkalines. My BB500 R2H ate the equivalent of 155 AA alkalines, the speakers 150 alkalines, and the cameras 66 alkalines. $48 in rechagables for the price of 371 alkalines (18 Rayovacs cost $6.30 at a total price of 129.85) My charger ran $55 so I still saved $25 and have free batteries the next couple of years!

The $35 set of Powerex D cells were only charged 6 times for a savings of $18 but I used them for my bicycle frame light and they are about even in cost at this point. I figure I have free battery power for the next few years to feed the 2D Mag R2H Madmax+ for lighting.

I used 10 lithium AA batteries, two of them lasted 5 months in my shortwave/clock radio and have played music over 100 hours! The other lithiums were used in Peak and Arc flashlights. The Peak UV 5 LED is on it's original battery with the Peak 5-LED snow in brass on it's 3rd lithium. (originally attached to their magnet/clamp device to troubleshoot medical equipment) The Arc AA I lent out used the other lithium and I am waiting for it to arrive in the mail in a few weeks.

The reason the Inova T4 excites me is the Lithium-Ion battery pack with charging cradle. High current draw devices need rechargables, low current draw (or not commonly used for long periods) require lithium batteries. Alkalines are when you run out of batteries, they make a good backup technology.

For my use, alkalines are for the Peak 3 LED AAA lights ($12 for a 4 pack of lithium AAA batteries is insane!) Rechargables rule in the frequently used domain...
 

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Shoot-my guess is he had no clue as to the bombardment by the Pro Pila guys and gals Hats off to you for taking this on and doing a good job. Oh I really do wear a ball cap most of the time and I did take it off to post.
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The payback for AA NiMH is even more dramatic and faster because they can be exchanged one-for-one in almost any AA compatible device, there are almost no voltage issues at all, they're a cheap and established technology.

I used to think AA powered cameras were inferior to their lithium ion cousins, until now that I realize that for the cost of one spare battery you could carry a few dozen AA NiMHs that would give you much more shooting time, size and weight not being the primary consideration here.

And then there's always alkalines when you don't have time to charge your NiMH. The Rayovac 15 minute system is very impressive however - go off, have a coffee and your cells are ready to go once more.

I forgot to mention one more thing about lithium ion batteries - their self discharge rate is relatively low compared to NiMH. You can leave them sitting around in a box as I describe and they will retain most of their charge.
 

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high end AA NiMh are juz short of bout 600mAH from Energiser's E2 titanium Advanced alkalie series compaired to those NiCd which would b around 1800mAH short to reach the E2's 3100mAH capacity...
I m a pila lover now... saves a ton... i think it already saved me a bit as i use C3 often... 2 150S is perfect replacement for any 3cell (almost) 123 cell torch...
my runtime initally when i got my pila is 55min30sec for 2 test...
After months it dropped a bit to around 54min
I only dislike the voltage cut-off part as the light dimmed so little thats its hard for me to tell if its dying soon or not. Its like a partially regulated incand!
Its still 1 great voltage feeding cell that i loved till now... nothing like cheap batteries!
 

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Thanx to YOU Jon for doing this! Cost you money and could have been a less-than-desirable result ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
bernie
 

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How did I miss this thread ? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohgeez.gif
Jon, very good idea /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Bernie, tomorrow it'll snow more than ever /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif
Nice review, congratulations /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/happy14.gif
 

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Nice job as always Bernie! Yes indeed, Jon is as generous as they come. My love of Li-Ions over NiMhs is about what Kevin said. They can sit around for weeks and still hold most of their charge. That throws most of the maintenance chores you describe right out the window! I like NiMH's a lot but they must be charged constantly. Also, all of the Pilas are wrapped twice. If you have a tight fitting application, just carefully strip off the outer layer and viola! Perfect fit. In fact I stripped off ALL the outer layers on all of my Pilas because of tight fits in some of my usages. Just be aware, there's some strange labels under those outer Pila labels.
 

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[ QUOTE ]
Kiessling said:
270winchester ... unfortunately I only have 2 incans ... a SF M6 and an E2D ... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif ... so no go for me here.

[/ QUOTE ]

I am getting ready to do a small run of 3.6v bulbs for the E2 series lights, if you're interested, let me know.

I have no Pilas to test them with, yet, I was going to order some a couple days ago but it seems JSB is out of the AC chargers /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
 

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