The different varieties of LSD cell

minimig · Jul 24, 2009

I found another variety of LSD cell.
It is made by Sanyo, made in Japan.

Half the capacity of Eneloops, only 1000mah for AA.
Probably made for low power items like remotes, wireless mouse, etc.
Price here converts to about US$7.45 for the 4 pack.

I wonder how popular this cells will be?

Miguel

minimig · Jul 24, 2009

Here's some more pics.

Miguel

Sugarboy · Jul 25, 2009

Hi there,

i'm pretty sure Uniross Hybrios are just relabeled Yuasa LSDs.

i remember there's an official sticker on the package saying it uses the new Yuasa LSD technology ..

Ultralast is just another name of Uniross.

Sugarboy · Jul 25, 2009

Hybrios are NOT Eneloops, should be OEM of Yuasa.

Ultralast is just another name of Uniross ..:laughing:

Mr Happy · Jul 25, 2009

Sugarboy said:
Hybrios are NOT Eneloops, should be OEM of Yuasa.

This is not true. At least three different kinds of cell have been seen wearing the Hybrio label, maybe four. One of those kinds is indeed indistinguishable from the eneloop, but the others are different.

As far as I can tell, Uniross/Ultralast is willing to source cells from any convenient manufacturer to wear the Hybrio label, which unfortunately devalues the Hybrio brand since you can't tell what you are getting.

davidt1 · Jul 25, 2009

Man, those Rayovac Hybrids are crap. I had them for about six months. They were OK for a few months. Now they need to be recharged every 2 weeks. Bought some Eneloops. They are much better.

Black Rose · Jul 25, 2009

davidt1 said:
Man, those Rayovac Hybrids are crap. I had them for about six months. They were OK for a few months. Now they need to be recharged every 2 weeks.

Interesting....of the 38 Hybrids I have, only 2 cells (both AAAs) have lost thier LSD capability after 16 months of use.

snakebite · Jan 7, 2010

funny you mention your hybrids dieing off.
every one of mine that died got dented on the - end from dropping the light.
another obsevation on the rayovac type lsd cells is that the wrapper is fragile.i have several hybrids and radioshack cells with ragged wrappers.i made packs for phones with some so they would be safe.another possibility on your cells is you have a battery cooker.

Bimmerboy · Feb 13, 2010

Perhaps I'm missing something, stretching things, or just bored, but why did no one take note of Minimig's posts? I find it a bit eyebrow raising that the Sanyo "Harmolattice" LSD cells appear physically identical in every way to Eneloops, and Japanese Duraloops down to the overlay patterns in the clear wrapper, yet they're only rated for 1000mAh.

What's at play here (seperator thickness, or other possibilities), and does this give legs to the barely contested notion that there absolutely cannot be any difference between the Eneloop, Duraloop, or any other "true" clone? I can't help but wonder if there are any patented internal variations, no matter how slight.

Anyone see any fresh data on this stuff, or shootouts if you will? Most pertinent info seems to not have been updated in a while. Assuming that people who have tested the various "loop" clones still have the same sets hanging around, do they still perform equally now that they've aged more?

Mr Happy · Feb 13, 2010

I recall some discussion of Harmolattice cells when they first came out. It seems they probably have less "battery stuff" inside them, meaning they have a lower capacity and can be sold at a lower price. I do not remember anyone actually having any in their hands and testing them, so we do not know all the details of weight, actual capacity, voltage characteristics, and so on.

Bones · Feb 14, 2010

Bimmerboy said:
...
What's at play here (seperator thickness, or other possibilities), and does this give legs to the barely contested notion that there absolutely cannot be any difference between the Eneloop, Duraloop, or any other "true" clone? I can't help but wonder if there are any patented internal variations, no matter how slight.
...

No legs here.

A quick check of the specifications reveals that the Harmolattice AAA cell is approximately 15% lighter than the Eneloop AAA and the AA is about 30% lighter than its Eneloop counterpart:

Bones said:
I've been digging around for a little more information on this cell, and determined that Sanyo has also released an 600mAh AAA version.

As shown on this chart from Sanyo.com, it bears the model number HR-4UQ, whereas the AA cell bears the model number HR-3UQ:

Incidentally, after almost having an accident when I first noted the 6000mAh capacity of the last model listed on the chart, I realized it was the Eneloop D-cell.

Hyperlinks to more Harmolattice data:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com ... post3026689
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Bones · Feb 14, 2010

Bimmerboy said:
...
What's at play here (seperator thickness, or other possibilities), and does this give legs to the barely contested notion that there absolutely cannot be any difference between the Eneloop, Duraloop, or any other "true" clone? I can't help but wonder if there are any patented internal variations, no matter how slight.
...

Perhaps it's worth mentioning that the Duraloop and other such cells are not clones, per se. A clone infers a copy of an original. In actuality, it's believed they're original Eneloops wrapped in a different jacket, with the only difference between the two being the jackets themselves.

gr8divas · Aug 8, 2010

This forum looks great, so much information on LSD batteries...

Sorry for OT

I was trying to find details about different LSD batteries and this is only 2nd site I found with good information after searching for 4 hours

Anyway Anybody can provide more info about where I can buy "Eneloop Lite"

march.brown · Aug 9, 2010

Black Rose said:
EDIT: I tried to get a photo of the positive end of the battery showing the vent holes, but the macro setting on my camera won't focus in that close.

I use a Panasonic DMC-TZ1 camera which has a macro position on the mode selection switch , but the camera won't allow the zoom to be used in the macro mode.

I bought a set of +1 , +2 , +3 and +4 dioptre lenses and I simply hold a lens in front of the camera lens for ultra close-ups ... It means that I can use the zoom too ... Not very pretty to look at , but it works well.

The +4 dioptre close-up lens means that the subject has to be closer than 25cm from the lens ... Just zoom in till you get the image size that you need ... If your camera has a filter thread , then get a screw-in close-up lens ... Unfortunately my camera doesn't have a filter thread so I just have to hold the close-up lens in place.

Good luck for your future macro pictures.

was.lost.but.now.found · Aug 9, 2010

gr8divas said:
Anyway Anybody can provide more info about where I can buy "Eneloop Lite"

maybe I'm missing something, but half the capacity at a greater cost? I'll take the full calorie version.

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