New Energizer e2 Advance and Ultimate Lithium

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Passed by a local Sam's Club near 77077.

Found a new type of battery called the Energizer Advance Lithium. Yellowish packaging. Manufacturer claims it lasts 4x longer than Energizer Max. At Sam's Club, costs $14+ for a pack of 12. 10 year shelf life.

The original e2 Lithium (bluish packaging) has now been re-branded Energizer Ultimate Lithium and claims 8x longer than Energizer Max. The original e2 Lithium before Advance Lithium came out claims 7x longer. This one cost $19+ for a pack of 12 (same original price). 15 year shelf life.
 
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Black Rose said:
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I would like to clarify. Ultimate Lithium does not look new. It's just the re-branded original e2 Lithium.

The new battery here is the Advance Lithium. Which is a lesser brethren to the Ultimate Lithium.

Advance Lithium is lesser than Ultimate because:

Lasts 4x longer vs. 8x longer (compared to Energizer Max).
10 year shelf life vs. 15 year shelf life.
Cheaper.

Looks like Energizer is filling-in a gap in their product line between their longer life alkaline (their e2 Titanium brand) and their original Lithium.
 
I wonder how the new Energizer Advanced Lithium vs the old Energizer Lithium vs the new Energizer Ultimate Lithium compares in terms of performance, runtime, etc?

Who here has done comparisons?

If I want to make a donation to someone here who can do this work and post the results, who would you guys nominate, recommend, vote for, volunteer? No BS.
 
ltiu said:
I wonder how the new Energizer Advanced Lithium vs the old Energizer Lithium vs the new Energizer Ultimate Lithium compares in terms of performance, runtime, etc?

Who here has done comparisons?

If I want to make a donation to someone here who can do this work and post the results, who would you guys nominate, recommend, vote for, volunteer? No BS.
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We will see..

I've sent a pack of Advanced and Ultimates for chevrofreak to test :D
 
Energizer Ultimate Lithium is the original standard L91/L92 'renamed'

Energizer Advanced Lithium is the new product. My understanding is that it uses an earlier version of the L91 technology so it has less capacity and shelf life as a result. When L91's first came out like 15 years ago they were ~1700mah and are now like 2900mah. The Advanced Lithium product is to replace the Titanium line of Energizer batteries.

I suspect that the primary motivation in offering this new, less expensive (about 10-12%) product is primarily to fend off the forthcoming lithium primary batteries that Rayovac willl be offering relatively soon.
 
MattK said:
I suspect that the primary motivation in offering this new, less expensive (about 10-12%) product is primarily to fend off the forthcoming lithium primary batteries that Rayovac willl be offering relatively soon.
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After the lawsuit brought on by Energizer is resolved :sick2:
 
LOL

Actually, I think they'll be released before the lawsuit is resolved. Rumor is that ROV expects to win or they never would have even intro'd the product and thus, barring an injunction, isn't concerned about extending damages - since they expect to win.
 
I think someone discovered that Energizers patent expires/expired this year.

It would be nice to have an alternative (i.e. introduce some competition and break the monopoly Energizer has on those particular cells).
 
The factory that makes our Titanium CR123A's makes the ROV Primaries so I can get them in a heartbeat - I've just always been afraid fo being sued into the ground. :)
 
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The Advanced Lithium product is to replace the Titanium line of Energizer batteries.
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One big advantage is that Advanced Lithium will not leak like Titanium does. I can leave these batteries inside my flashlights long term and not be too worried.
 
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MattK said:
My understanding is that it uses an earlier version of the L91 technology so it has less capacity and shelf life as a result. When L91's first came out like 15 years ago they were ~1700mah and are now like 2900mah.
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I think the Ultimate Lithium is still around 2900mah judging from the tech specs ... http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/ea91.PDF

Look at the tape player industry standard test.

100ma for 1 hr per day. Service hours = >30 hours total. Exactly the same as an L91 ... http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/l91.pdf

In fact, if you look at all the tests between the two closely, all the tests look the same!
 
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ltiu said:
One big advantage is that Advanced Lithium will not leak like Titanium does. I can leave these batteries inside my flashlights long term and not be too worried.
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That is a VERY BIG advantage. I can't begin to tell you how many walkmans and
flashlights have died a horrible acidic death from leaky alkalines!
 
MattK said:
Energizer Ultimate Lithium is the original standard L91/L92 'renamed'
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There is one minor difference between the L91 and these new Ultimate lithiums.

The Ultimates say "Last up to 8x longer..." vs "Last up to 7x longer ..." for the L91s like you offer.

Probably just those marketing folks putting a new spin on it...I used to work with some marketing folks...interesting experience to say the least.
 
Black Rose said:
There is one minor difference between the L91 and these new Ultimate lithiums.

The Ultimates say "Last up to 8x longer..." vs "Last up to 7x longer ..." for the L91s like you offer.

Probably just those marketing folks putting a new spin on it...I used to work with some marketing folks...interesting experience to say the least.
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Well, when they said lasts up to 7x, they compared it to regular alkaline. Read the packaging of the original e2 Lithium.

Then when they said 8x longer, they compared it against Energizer Max. Read the packaging of the new Ultimate.

Energizer Max is known to under-perform relative to other regular alkalines:

http://lights.chevrofreak.com/runtimes/AA cells.png
 
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