Anybody use expandable batons?
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PhilAlex
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Asp is the grandaddy, but expensive.
Legal? Depends where you are.
Legal? Depends where you are.
Charles Bradshaw
Flashlight Enthusiast
Law Enforcement frowns on non-leo, carrying any form of weapon. If you have weapon, the presumption of guilt in crime is automatic. If under seat in vehicle and you don't have a concealed carry permit for it, then you ARE guilty of a felony.
Now, if I was out backpacking in the wilderness, I would want a couple of compact weapons for defensive purposes. Telescoping baton fits that category.
I don't mind being invited to dinner. I do mind being invited for dinner.
Now, if I was out backpacking in the wilderness, I would want a couple of compact weapons for defensive purposes. Telescoping baton fits that category.
I don't mind being invited to dinner. I do mind being invited for dinner.
SPECIALIST
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In certain states you can be certified by taking a four hour course and then you can get a carry permit. I wish my state would allow me to carry one. I would defently go with an ASP, they run about 60 bucks, not that bad if you consider how much everyone here spends on one flashlight. I carry in my car a 6D maglite as an alternative to a baton.
Charles Bradshaw: I dont exactly agree with your statement above, yes if you have a pistol under your seat with out a permit you will defentely be hauled in for UCW. But I would say that unless you are being a real jerk to the officer he will probably will not haul you in for basically any other type of weapon(that is unless you live in a socialist regime like England, California, New Jersey, or anywhere populated by sheeple) because almost anything could be considered a "weapon". I always dress as nicely as possible and carry myself well and have yet to be stopped by LEO. The bottom line is you carry a weapon concealed for a reason, and unless you flash it or use it on someone, a cop has no reason to pat you down or give you vehicle search.
Charles Bradshaw: I dont exactly agree with your statement above, yes if you have a pistol under your seat with out a permit you will defentely be hauled in for UCW. But I would say that unless you are being a real jerk to the officer he will probably will not haul you in for basically any other type of weapon(that is unless you live in a socialist regime like England, California, New Jersey, or anywhere populated by sheeple) because almost anything could be considered a "weapon". I always dress as nicely as possible and carry myself well and have yet to be stopped by LEO. The bottom line is you carry a weapon concealed for a reason, and unless you flash it or use it on someone, a cop has no reason to pat you down or give you vehicle search.
M
MeridianTactical
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I live in Mass, Batons are a no-no sadly... I can carry a gun (yes I have a CCW) but not a baton, where is the logic?
But if they are leagal in your area, get one! well worth having one, its a great equalizer. I would perfer one myself for less than leathal encounters.
Chris
But if they are leagal in your area, get one! well worth having one, its a great equalizer. I would perfer one myself for less than leathal encounters.
Chris
BuddTX
Flashlight Enthusiast
Does anyone know if they are legal to carry in TX?
I've often thought that an ASP light and baton would be much better than a 6D mag to keep in the car.
I've often thought that an ASP light and baton would be much better than a 6D mag to keep in the car.
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**DONOTDELETE**
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BuddTX:
I've got a CHL here in Texas. I'll check the manual to see what it says about batons. There is a section in it that describes weapons of differing types and their legality.
I've got a CHL here in Texas. I'll check the manual to see what it says about batons. There is a section in it that describes weapons of differing types and their legality.
GJW
Flashlight Enthusiast
They're a no-no here in CA.
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**DONOTDELETE**
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Well, I called the central office after wading thru the jargon in my manual. They said that the CHL didn't allow a person to carry a baton, mace, blackjack, etc.
So... I called my local law enforcement agency, and was told that you could not carry one unless you took a special class specifically for them. Officers have to do this.
Conclusion: pretty much a no-no, even here in Texas. I do see the logic in this,(It deters any old thug from carrying weapons), but I would think a baddie would want me whacking him with a glorified club rather than being ventilated by the smoke wagon. ;-)
So... I called my local law enforcement agency, and was told that you could not carry one unless you took a special class specifically for them. Officers have to do this.
Conclusion: pretty much a no-no, even here in Texas. I do see the logic in this,(It deters any old thug from carrying weapons), but I would think a baddie would want me whacking him with a glorified club rather than being ventilated by the smoke wagon. ;-)
Quickbeam
Flashlight Enthusiast
I'm not a lawyer, and I don't play one on TV
, but I spoke to an officer and he said that here baton carry is legal provided it isn't concealed - AKA you have to carry it in a holster like what the police use so that it's in plain sight. If you are on your own property you can carry it concealed any way you want.
I'm a proponent of pepper spray and pepper foam. The police here had recommended in an article that civilians carry no smaller than a 2 oz. canister if they decide to carry it. (NC weapons laws apparently aren't quite as draconian as other areas in the country.)
Fox Labs brand is supposed to be one of the most effective and is available from www.selfdefenseproducts.com. I've placed several orders with them and always been satisfied.
If you decide to go this route, be sure to learn about it's use and get some inert practice containers to practice with (and a partner).
I'm a proponent of pepper spray and pepper foam. The police here had recommended in an article that civilians carry no smaller than a 2 oz. canister if they decide to carry it. (NC weapons laws apparently aren't quite as draconian as other areas in the country.)
Fox Labs brand is supposed to be one of the most effective and is available from www.selfdefenseproducts.com. I've placed several orders with them and always been satisfied.
If you decide to go this route, be sure to learn about it's use and get some inert practice containers to practice with (and a partner).
Charles Bradshaw
Flashlight Enthusiast
There is on "slight" hitch: US Code, as Revised makes it a Felony to own or possess any weapon, or, anything the can be used as a weapon, IF you are disabled. It was snuck in as part of one of those "Crime" Bills.
Think logically about this. Anything and everything can be used as a weapon. The human body accounts for 48 'weapons', including the entire body. I counted up the parts usable as weapons.
Since I am disabled, merely existing is a crime. Shows you exactly how much the so-called Constitution is worth. (less than generic t-paper).
Novus Ordo Seclorum (New World Order)
on back of US Great Seal (motto and symbol of the Illuminati)
"The few and the secret shall rule the many and the known." The Book of The Law (Liber al vel Legis) Aleister Crowley.
Anyways, I have telescoping nunchaku in belt holster. Very nice and perfect for wilderness backpacking. I have other weapons, but no projectile weapons of any type.
hey, here is a nice use for spent batteries: sling ammo (not slingshot).
Think logically about this. Anything and everything can be used as a weapon. The human body accounts for 48 'weapons', including the entire body. I counted up the parts usable as weapons.
Since I am disabled, merely existing is a crime. Shows you exactly how much the so-called Constitution is worth. (less than generic t-paper).
Novus Ordo Seclorum (New World Order)
on back of US Great Seal (motto and symbol of the Illuminati)
"The few and the secret shall rule the many and the known." The Book of The Law (Liber al vel Legis) Aleister Crowley.
Anyways, I have telescoping nunchaku in belt holster. Very nice and perfect for wilderness backpacking. I have other weapons, but no projectile weapons of any type.
hey, here is a nice use for spent batteries: sling ammo (not slingshot).
BuddTX
Flashlight Enthusiast
Taking a 4 hour class is ok with me.
I am in strong favor of legal gun ownership of citizens, but I do not have a gun.
Something like a baton would make a nice defensive weapon in the house as well.
Don't even know if they make something like this, but the home defense gun that I would want, would be the most intimidating, meanest looking (Rambo, special op's, whatever), loudest cocking, 410 shotgun there is (410 is a small guage shotgun). (Maybe even smaller guage than 410 if one is made).
Why? The site and sound of a "mean" shotgun says that I am serious, yet if I had to shoot it, it's low kickback would be easy to controll, not travel throught multiple walls and possibly other houses, and not as likely to cause me "second thoughts" when shooting it, for self defense in my home.
If there are "low powered, mean looking" shotguns, please let me know!
OH, and yes, of course it needs to have a flashlight mount!
I am in strong favor of legal gun ownership of citizens, but I do not have a gun.
Something like a baton would make a nice defensive weapon in the house as well.
Don't even know if they make something like this, but the home defense gun that I would want, would be the most intimidating, meanest looking (Rambo, special op's, whatever), loudest cocking, 410 shotgun there is (410 is a small guage shotgun). (Maybe even smaller guage than 410 if one is made).
Why? The site and sound of a "mean" shotgun says that I am serious, yet if I had to shoot it, it's low kickback would be easy to controll, not travel throught multiple walls and possibly other houses, and not as likely to cause me "second thoughts" when shooting it, for self defense in my home.
If there are "low powered, mean looking" shotguns, please let me know!
OH, and yes, of course it needs to have a flashlight mount!
SPECIALIST
Newly Enlightened
I dont really like the idea of oc, pepper, mace, whatever, it has been shown not to work effectively on druged or extremely crazed people.
Althought i have heard very good things about fox labs spray. I guess i'm going to have to buy some and have some friends test it on me.
I like the ASP because if necessary you can crank up the leathality of the device by cracking someone in the head with the nice little metal knob at the end of it. If you cant carry an asp i would recommend maybe a 2AA maglite or a 9p surefire used as a imporvised Yawara or kubotan. I carry a 2aa maglite daily and will soon switch to a 9P maglite as soon as the get back into production.
Althought i have heard very good things about fox labs spray. I guess i'm going to have to buy some and have some friends test it on me.
I like the ASP because if necessary you can crank up the leathality of the device by cracking someone in the head with the nice little metal knob at the end of it. If you cant carry an asp i would recommend maybe a 2AA maglite or a 9p surefire used as a imporvised Yawara or kubotan. I carry a 2aa maglite daily and will soon switch to a 9P maglite as soon as the get back into production.
Jim Brown
Newly Enlightened
What's funny about all the legal mumbo jumbo and penalties and all that is the person that is going to commit a crime with these things doesn't care if they are legal or illegal!!! Thye are committing a crime anyway so what do they care? It's only the people that would use them for protection that the law means anything too. And for them it's a barrier to safety. That's why the gun laws seem to work in reverse...Only the law abiding are affected by them. Here in California a criminal can buy a gun instantly on many San Francisco streetcorners so what do they care about 10 day waiting periods or if they have a trigger lock on their rifle? It's all pretty silly and mostly designed to make people think they are safer with all the restrictions.
Jim
Jim
dano
Flashlight Enthusiast
Well...let me chime in for a minute...
I can care less if a honest, law abiding citizen wants to carry anything for personal self defense. Unless it's used, I may possibly never know what joe-schmoe is carryiing.
Crooks have a funny way of making themselves known...Usually by breaking the law...D'oh!
I've taken only two collapsable batons from people, both were involved in other "activities" and both were charged accordingly...
I "found" 4 guns last year:3 on people, one in a car. 3 out of the 4 went to Federal court, one was remanded back to the State penal system,a s he was a Parolee-at-large..
Last year, lots of knives, mostly from homeless types who brandished. I had two cases in which pepper spray was used: One case was clearly self defense, but the Supervisor on the scene gave me grief for not arresting the victim who sprayed (it's not a crime to defend yourself, and my report reflected that). The other incident was clearly an assault, and the peron was charged accordingly.
Justa few weeks ago, I was picking up a shoplifter from one of the chain stores, and noticed a clip sticking out of a customer's pocket. I recognized the knife as a Benchmade AFO, and auto, which is illegal in California. If I wasn't dealing with the speed-freak guy who boosted a pack of AA batteries, I would have spoken with the knife-carrying citizen, of course, but then again, I have more important things to do...Discretion is a wonderful tool...
The moral of the story: Of all the incidents I pointed-out, only one was with an honest citizen, and he wasn't arrested. That's not to say that in a self defense situation the victim may be on the end of legal action, it's just unlikely, unless a firearm or shooting, etc, something with deadly force or serious injury will ALWAYS bring an in-depth and thorough investigation.
--dan
I can care less if a honest, law abiding citizen wants to carry anything for personal self defense. Unless it's used, I may possibly never know what joe-schmoe is carryiing.
Crooks have a funny way of making themselves known...Usually by breaking the law...D'oh!
I've taken only two collapsable batons from people, both were involved in other "activities" and both were charged accordingly...
I "found" 4 guns last year:3 on people, one in a car. 3 out of the 4 went to Federal court, one was remanded back to the State penal system,a s he was a Parolee-at-large..
Last year, lots of knives, mostly from homeless types who brandished. I had two cases in which pepper spray was used: One case was clearly self defense, but the Supervisor on the scene gave me grief for not arresting the victim who sprayed (it's not a crime to defend yourself, and my report reflected that). The other incident was clearly an assault, and the peron was charged accordingly.
Justa few weeks ago, I was picking up a shoplifter from one of the chain stores, and noticed a clip sticking out of a customer's pocket. I recognized the knife as a Benchmade AFO, and auto, which is illegal in California. If I wasn't dealing with the speed-freak guy who boosted a pack of AA batteries, I would have spoken with the knife-carrying citizen, of course, but then again, I have more important things to do...Discretion is a wonderful tool...
The moral of the story: Of all the incidents I pointed-out, only one was with an honest citizen, and he wasn't arrested. That's not to say that in a self defense situation the victim may be on the end of legal action, it's just unlikely, unless a firearm or shooting, etc, something with deadly force or serious injury will ALWAYS bring an in-depth and thorough investigation.
--dan
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Words of wisdom indeed.
I have often thought a quarterstaff would be an excellent weapon in the (not too thick) woods. An expandable baton would be much more portable.
How easily do they deploy? What is the maximum diameter of the shaft?
B@rt
Flashaholic
Maybe a dumb question... Are expandable batons the same thing as the ones that concist of a handle and a couple of interlocking springs with a weight on the end?
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Charles Bradshaw
Flashlight Enthusiast
Expandable = telescoping, at least to some degree. Usually 3 telescoping sections of tubular steel, though the end section may be solid.
Unlike the old fashioned baton and the PR-24 (side handle baton or TONFA), these are pretty much useless for thrusting attacks.
Unlike the old fashioned baton and the PR-24 (side handle baton or TONFA), these are pretty much useless for thrusting attacks.
Wingerr
Flashlight Enthusiast
The ones you're referring to, with the sections of spring steel and the weighted tip, are one version of the expandable baton; some others have solid sections. With the spring ones, they can be likened to swinging a sock with quarters at the end, since striking with just the spring portion isn't going to do much. The tip, however, develops a mean impact, storing up some of the momentum of the swing.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Bart.:
Maybe a dumb question... Are expandable batons the same thing as the ones that concist of a handle and a couple of interlocking springs with a weight on the end?
Please enlightenme
PhilAlex
Enlightened
Actually, a pal of mine who hikes a lot thru the woods LOVES his Sjambok.
Best snake killer in the world. Cheap. Impossible to carry concealed.
Deadly with minimum practise.
$10 from Cold Steel, or more from "Those" kinds of suppliers, if you know what I mean.
Best snake killer in the world. Cheap. Impossible to carry concealed.
Deadly with minimum practise.
$10 from Cold Steel, or more from "Those" kinds of suppliers, if you know what I mean.
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