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    Test Level Definitions

    IPX-0 No special protection

    IPX-1 Protected against falling water Equivalent to 3-5mm rainfall per minute for a duration of 10 minutes.
    Unit is placed in its normal operating position.

    IPX-2 Protected against falling water when tilted up to 15 degrees - Same as IPX-1 but unit is tested in 4 fixed positions -
    tilted 15 degrees in each direction from normal operating position.

    IPX-3 Protected against spraying water - Water spraying up to 60 degrees from vertical at 10 liters/min at a pressure of 80-100kN/m2 for 5 min.

    IPX-4 Protected against splashing water - Same as IPX-3 but water is sprayed at all angles.

    IPX-5 Protected against water jets - Water projected at all angles through a 6.3mm nozzle at a flow rate of 12.5 liters/min at
    a pressure of 30kN/m2 for 3 minutes from a distance of 3 meters.

    IPX-6 Protected against heavy seas - Water projected at all angles through a 12.5mm nozzle at a flow rate of 100 liters/min at
    a pressure of 100kN/m2 for 3 minutes from a distance of 3 meters.

    IPX-7 Protected against water immersion - Immersion for 30 minutes at a depth of 1 meter.

    IPX-8 Protected against water submersion - The equipment is suitable for continual submersion in water under conditions which are identified by the manufacturer.
    Last edited by roadie; 04-15-2009 at 12:34 AM.

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    i got the info from some webby, its nice to have the tablet explained, therefore sharing with everyone whom has doubts abt IPX or planning to get a light with has IPX ratings.


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    Cheers man.

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    So IPX-8 without deep says very little, may be same as IPX-7

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    Quote Originally Posted by fasuto View Post
    So IPX-8 without deep says very little, may be same as IPX-7
    IPX-8 means suitable for continuous immersion in depths over 1 metre. That's quite different from IPX-7 which is dunkable up to 1 metre. AFAIK the IPX-8 tests are specified by the manufacturer so they can be appropriate to whatever is being tested. Eg: 12 hours at 30 metres might be sufficient for a diver's flashlight or camera, but not enough for something desgined to be permanently submersed in extreme conditions.
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    Excellent. Nice summary chart, short and to the point.

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    And the x before the number stands for dust protection afaik mayby somebody could shed some light(wink wink) on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R@ndom View Post
    And the x before the number stands for dust protection afaik mayby somebody could shed some light(wink wink) on it.
    Actually IP stands for ingress protection the X I found this may help
    Example - IP Rating
    With the IP rating IP 54, 5 describes the level of protection from solid objects and 4 describes the level of protection from liquids.
    An "X" can used for one of the digits if there is only one class of protection, i.e. IPX1 which addresses protection against vertically falling drops of water e.g. condensation..
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    Quote Originally Posted by fasuto View Post
    So IPX-8 without deep says very little, may be same as IPX-7
    IPX-8 is ANYTHING better than IPX-7. It can be longer time, deeper depth, or both. The details are specified by the manufacturer.

    That is why you see so many definition of what "IPX-8" is all over the internet. Each manufacturer posts what they certify to, and people think what they Googled and found applies to all IPX-8 certified products, even from different manufacturers.

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    IPX8 is frequently quoted as a "standard", but it is virtually useless. It is supposed to be accompanied by a figure for depth to have any meaning, but that figure is only rarely given.

    Furthermore, it is a static test, not a dynamic one. There is no requirement to move the item when it is submerged, or to operate it (switch on/off etc).

    To say any item is "waterproof to IPX8 standard" by itself is therefore totally meaningless.
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    my uk100 light cannon is IP 68 16..well i know it dosnt leak at 70meters and the swich was just fine.
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    a bit more info on wikipedia (probably more than you'd ever need to know )
    the article supports what DM51 already said, IPX8 without additional info from the manufacturer doesn't mean very much
    Last edited by Helmut.G; 04-15-2009 at 09:55 AM.
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    LOL!!!

    IPX8 = "Whatever the he11 the marketeering teams wants to claim."
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    IPX-8 ... under conditions which are identified by the manufacturer.
    Update: Not-True [Exactly... rather than 8 being the highest level, it actually means nothing. A light can be declared IPX-8 without even passing IPX-6 standards, so really it is just marketing and says... we have o-rings and if you enough lubrication on the threads we hope it will survive a dunking.] It does appear that IP ratings are a scale and IPX8 is considered beyond IPX7 for continual immersion.

    To be fair though, unless your buying a dive light, most of the lights do fairly well and are not destroyed by a accidental submersion even if they need to be dried out a bit. Many of the lights have shown to operate under static conditions submerged is shallow water.

    So although the spec does not mean much, I'm pretty happy with the level of protection provided by most manufactures.
    Last edited by StandardBattery; 04-15-2009 at 03:17 PM. Reason: correct statement about IPX8 rating

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    Quote Originally Posted by StandardBattery View Post
    Exactly... rather than 8 being the highest level, it actually means nothing. A light can be declared IPX-8 without even passing IPX-6 standards, so really it is just marketing and says... we have o-rings and if you enough lubrication on the threads we hope it will survive a dunking.
    That's not true. IPX-8 is defined as equal to and greater than IPX-7 in some way.

    When the exact information is not known for an IPX-8 claim, IPX-7 certification is inherently (and correctly) assumed as a bounding condition.

    The product can do AT LEAST 1M depth for AT LEAST 30 minutes. The "conditions identified" can be >1M, or >30min, or both, but NOT LESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marduke View Post
    That's not true. IPX-8 is defined as equal to and greater than IPX-7 in some way.
    I stand corrected. I'm happy with what most manufactures are offering.

    Just to clarify, this is the IP (Ingress Protection) standard, and X signifies no protection rating against solid objects.
    Last edited by StandardBattery; 04-15-2009 at 03:20 PM.

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    Am I missing something because even the highest IPX 7,8 doesn't sound like a rigorous standard. What rating do submarine lights or deep sea explorer robots meet to function at extreme conditions? Is there another international standard unit used besides IPX for more extreme conditions?

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    The way that definition reads (and I believe I first saw that in a much older thread) you would think that IPX-8 means it's automatically a full blown diving light. However, I don't believe any of our IPX-8 "certified" lights are suitable for real diving. Maybe some fun in your swimming pool but I'd say that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mega_lumens View Post
    Am I missing something because even the highest IPX 7,8 doesn't sound like a rigorous standard. What rating do submarine lights or deep sea explorer robots meet to function at extreme conditions? Is there another international standard unit used besides IPX for more extreme conditions?

    IP certification is meant for dust, dirt, splash, and dunkable electronics. It is not intended to describe any sort of submergence rating whatsoever.

    Dive ratings are much more rigorous, and ideally also take dynamic pressures into account. That's why a "200m" watch is really only meant for swimming or snorkeling at best. The dynamic pressures experienced at those shallow depths doing those activities are similar to a static pressure at 200m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mega_lumens View Post
    Am I missing something because even the highest IPX 7,8 doesn't sound like a rigorous standard. What rating do submarine lights or deep sea explorer robots meet to function at extreme conditions?
    Components on these type of things use IP ratings. While "IPX8" itself doesn't tell you much, it can be rigorous. It can involve testing from 1 metre to over 1000 metres, and from 30 minutes to any amount of time. The ratings are used on components of ships (it's a requirement of the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea), oil rigs, underwater vehicles etc. The conditions of the test vary accordingly.

    But for the average flashlight, it will likely just mean you can drop it in a puddle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mega_lumens View Post
    What rating do submarine lights or deep sea explorer robots meet to function at extreme conditions? Is there another international standard unit used besides IPX for more extreme conditions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mega_lumens View Post
    Is there another international standard unit used besides IPX for more extreme conditions?
    Barbolight example: IP68M (-200m. 20 Atm.)
    I think that say a lot more than a Fenix IPX8
    IPX8 should be folowed by "conditions which are identified by the manufacturer" without that conditions says nothing

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    often curious what each meant!

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    Default Re: IPX standards explained!!!

    It's not "IPX," it's IP[variable][variable]

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    Default Re: IPX standards explained!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by LukeA View Post
    It's not "IPX," it's IP[variable][variable]
    No, it can be even longer, but wikipedia explains it ok.

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    The IP standards are easy enough to understand but! for flashlights it would be easier just to say,
    1.your light is splash resistant only!
    2. your light is dunkable static only! max depth 1M
    3.your light is dive rated and can be operated to a depth of ????M

    IPX8 can cover the first two
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    The IPX standards are useless if you are looking for a water resistant light.

    Lights left at 1 meter of water in static state has little to no water pressure regardless how long it is left in the water

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    Quote Originally Posted by dd61999 View Post
    The IPX standards are useless if you are looking for a water resistant light.

    Lights left at 1 meter of water in static state has little to no water pressure regardless how long it is left in the water
    True, but IPX8 doesn't necessarily mean it was only tested at 1 metre. It's just that most flashlight manufacturers seem to think around 1 metre is enough. Unless you take it diving or swimming, it probably is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fasuto View Post
    Barbolight example: IP68M (-200m. 20 Atm.)
    I think that say a lot more than a Fenix IPX8
    IPX8 should be folowed by "conditions which are identified by the manufacturer" without that conditions says nothing
    Thank you Fasuto.

    "M" after IP68 means that it will keep that condition even actuating on its moving parts. i.e. switching it on-off.

    There is another one, IP69, and is used for parts exposed to high pressure water jets (for example car wash machines) . In my opinion was created because IP68 does not mention pressure.

    It would be interesting too to explain about IK standards, which are related to resistance to impacts... althought interesting IK procedure is less realistic than Mil. Std. 810 STD. "Drop test".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zatoichi View Post
    ......It's just that most flashlight manufacturers seem to think around 1 metre is enough. Unless you take it diving or swimming, it probably is.
    Like I said the IPX rating (even if tested at 5 meters) is useless if you are looking for a water resistant light.

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