gary3911
Newly Enlightened
This thread was created by moving some posts from this thread. The tangential topic was consuming the basic topic of the thread.
Please keep it civil. It's a volatile topic. - Empath
I didn't create this thread, the first post you see below is a reply to a post in the "Is the TK10 a preconception-buster?" thread.
-Gary3911
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This is my take, whether you want it or not:
I will not be buying a TK10, and possibly not another Fenix.
I bought a batch of Fenixes for my company field technicians to use at work.
The dealerI bought them from has been prepping me for the TK10, telling me about how wonderful it is etc.
When I bought the Fenixes, all my technicians binned their AA mini M@gs and went crazy over their new LED lights, and they carry them all the time. I, however have never carried a Fenix. Every day (and all of us use our lights daily) I use my 6PL at work.
Now why do I do this, and why have I stated that I will not be buying a TK10? Is it because I am a snob? Is it because I have an irrational hatred of things made in China?
No. And neither am I "prejudiced" as FederalLG puts it. In fact, that is entirely the wrong term to be using in a consumer debate. I do not use a Fenix, and won't buy them because I don't trust them. I own many SFs, and some other assorted lights like Streamlights. I own two lights from Chinese brands (ie the actual brands are Chinese, rather than just the manufacturer). They are an L2D and a Nitecore DI. They are both terrible terrible disappointments to me, although the DI much more than the L2D.
These high-end Chinese-brand lights share one thing to me - they are simply cosmetic copies of existing products that have been made without too much thought to either (1) the actual functions of the features that are being copied and/or (2) the actual reasons for said features. The Nitecore DI is the worst offender in this category - basically it's been designed as the CPF wet dream. AA? No prob. Free lanyard and spares? Got that covered. HAIII? Do it. UI that matches the Novotac? Step this way sir. - They do all this to make it the product that you think you want. This is so transparent in the ridiculous marketing - Edge clearly think that they will sell a lot of lights to people that think that the light will give them some kind of "tactical edge" so they stick on a paracord lanyard, plaster SWAT team members all over the instruction manual and give a keychain light a spiky bezel. Why?
Do they actually think that they are making a light that SWAT team members are going too all start carrying as back-up as they drive around the crack-dens of urban America? Obviously not, as said SWAT team members will be driving around with anything but - probably E1es or SF backups if they have anything at all on their keys, and probably SFs or Blackhawks up top. But isn't this the point? The reason people want to buy the Gladius or the M2 or whatever is that they are apparently utilised by those that necessarily demand high-performance. SF Do not go out and ask CPF what they want in their next light, as that is exactly the space that these Chinese-brands occupy - essentially putting the cart before the horse. It would be like Hummer building vehicles to the specs of musicians and sports stars and then expecting the military to follow. Can you imagine the marines saying "Oh wow - gotta get me one of those Humvees - I mean, J-Lo seems to trust it"
It's totally wrong to even think that "prejudice" is even the correct term to apply here. I mean, is this so ridiculous that we are basically rejecting the entire notion of branding? Are we seriously saying that it is somehow wrong to make consumer decisions on the basis of past experience? If you buy Kellogs cereal and enjoy it, you keep on buying it. That does not give you an irrational hatred of Nestle cereal. If you buy a new Humvee because you have a lot of money and your last one was great - that's fine. But does it make you a racist because you don't want a Toyota Landcruiser?
I am not in the market for a "tactical light" such as the TK10 purports to be, because I don't actually need one. I do not kick down doors at work, or wrestle with crack-heads or point pistols at insurgents. However, if I did do that for a living, I would want a product made by a company that makes lights for people that do kick down doors, wrestle with crack-heads and point pistols at Osama - NOT by the company that makes lights that look like they are for shooters, but have basically been designed by taking an internet poll of a bunch of flashlight geeks, of which only some are shooters.
And that is not prejudice or a preconception. That is a sensible decision based upon reasoning and experience.
Please keep it civil. It's a volatile topic. - Empath
I didn't create this thread, the first post you see below is a reply to a post in the "Is the TK10 a preconception-buster?" thread.
-Gary3911
...............................................
This is my take, whether you want it or not:
I will not be buying a TK10, and possibly not another Fenix.
I bought a batch of Fenixes for my company field technicians to use at work.
The dealerI bought them from has been prepping me for the TK10, telling me about how wonderful it is etc.
When I bought the Fenixes, all my technicians binned their AA mini M@gs and went crazy over their new LED lights, and they carry them all the time. I, however have never carried a Fenix. Every day (and all of us use our lights daily) I use my 6PL at work.
Now why do I do this, and why have I stated that I will not be buying a TK10? Is it because I am a snob? Is it because I have an irrational hatred of things made in China?
No. And neither am I "prejudiced" as FederalLG puts it. In fact, that is entirely the wrong term to be using in a consumer debate. I do not use a Fenix, and won't buy them because I don't trust them. I own many SFs, and some other assorted lights like Streamlights. I own two lights from Chinese brands (ie the actual brands are Chinese, rather than just the manufacturer). They are an L2D and a Nitecore DI. They are both terrible terrible disappointments to me, although the DI much more than the L2D.
These high-end Chinese-brand lights share one thing to me - they are simply cosmetic copies of existing products that have been made without too much thought to either (1) the actual functions of the features that are being copied and/or (2) the actual reasons for said features. The Nitecore DI is the worst offender in this category - basically it's been designed as the CPF wet dream. AA? No prob. Free lanyard and spares? Got that covered. HAIII? Do it. UI that matches the Novotac? Step this way sir. - They do all this to make it the product that you think you want. This is so transparent in the ridiculous marketing - Edge clearly think that they will sell a lot of lights to people that think that the light will give them some kind of "tactical edge" so they stick on a paracord lanyard, plaster SWAT team members all over the instruction manual and give a keychain light a spiky bezel. Why?
Do they actually think that they are making a light that SWAT team members are going too all start carrying as back-up as they drive around the crack-dens of urban America? Obviously not, as said SWAT team members will be driving around with anything but - probably E1es or SF backups if they have anything at all on their keys, and probably SFs or Blackhawks up top. But isn't this the point? The reason people want to buy the Gladius or the M2 or whatever is that they are apparently utilised by those that necessarily demand high-performance. SF Do not go out and ask CPF what they want in their next light, as that is exactly the space that these Chinese-brands occupy - essentially putting the cart before the horse. It would be like Hummer building vehicles to the specs of musicians and sports stars and then expecting the military to follow. Can you imagine the marines saying "Oh wow - gotta get me one of those Humvees - I mean, J-Lo seems to trust it"
It's totally wrong to even think that "prejudice" is even the correct term to apply here. I mean, is this so ridiculous that we are basically rejecting the entire notion of branding? Are we seriously saying that it is somehow wrong to make consumer decisions on the basis of past experience? If you buy Kellogs cereal and enjoy it, you keep on buying it. That does not give you an irrational hatred of Nestle cereal. If you buy a new Humvee because you have a lot of money and your last one was great - that's fine. But does it make you a racist because you don't want a Toyota Landcruiser?
I am not in the market for a "tactical light" such as the TK10 purports to be, because I don't actually need one. I do not kick down doors at work, or wrestle with crack-heads or point pistols at insurgents. However, if I did do that for a living, I would want a product made by a company that makes lights for people that do kick down doors, wrestle with crack-heads and point pistols at Osama - NOT by the company that makes lights that look like they are for shooters, but have basically been designed by taking an internet poll of a bunch of flashlight geeks, of which only some are shooters.
And that is not prejudice or a preconception. That is a sensible decision based upon reasoning and experience.
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