A Collection Of Runtime Graphs

[BigWaffles]

Re: Want to post some runtime graphs

Excellent data :thumbsup: Thanks for your effort :thumbsup:

I did not look at this thread for a long time due to the title. You may want to change the title now that you are beyond "wanting to post runtime graphs" to "a collection of runtime graphs" or some such.

To do this - edit the first post in the thread and select the "advanced" feature to get at the title. It is under your control there.

Thanks for your encouragement and the suggestion. Title Changed.


C.P.T.

 

[Bullzeyebill]

See Gene's website re specs for the M60LL. It will answer questions about use in a G2.

Bill

 

[PCC]

Re: Want to post some runtime graphs

Unfortunately I don't have the equipment to take such nice closeups of the two drop-ins. I try to get a close shot and the camera won't focus. Oh, well.:sigh:

Just by looking, the Terralux TLE-1F has a round yellow emitter with two wires running out of opposite sides (4 wires total). The Niteize 1W looks similar to your Cree XR-E (square yellow emitter) but the 4 wires run directly into the yellow emitter, not a base. Not very good descriptions, I know. I'll keep trying with the camera.


C.P.T.

Those are good descriptions. Note on the XR-E that there is a bar running across the top right next to the emitter platform. That's how you can tell that it's a Cree.

As for my macro setup, I'm using an old Nikon D70 DSLR, M2 extension tube, BR2A reversing ring, and an old 35-70mm zoom lens at the 35mm setting. The lens being reversed allows me to get in close like that. It's great for taking pictures of things up close but you cannot take pictures of people with it :eek:

 

[jasonsmaglites]

big waffles,
where did you get the niteize 1 watt for the mag shootout. can we get a link for the noobs?

 

[Illum]

big waffles,
where did you get the niteize 1 watt for the mag shootout. can we get a link for the noobs?

it looks like this
http://www.niteize.com/productdetail.php?category_id=28&product_id=166
lighthound sells them
https://www.lighthound.com/Nite-Ize...-fits-Maglite-C-D-Cell-Flashights_p_2790.html

 

[22hornet]

Hello, Bigwaffles,

I know you already have done a lot for us, but please, please give us a runtime graph for a Malkoff Maglite drop-in kit.:help::anyone::bow::thanks:

Kind regards,
Joris

 

[BigWaffles]

Hello, Bigwaffles,

I know you already have done a lot for us, but please, please give us a runtime graph for a Malkoff Maglite drop-in kit.:help::anyone::bow::thanks:

Kind regards,
Joris

22hornet,

By request, here is the Malkoff for the 4-6D Maglite. I got this around the first of the month and just got around to testing it. This is in a 4D Maglite running on Energizer Alkalines.

The horizontal scale is in hours. It took 12hrs to drop to 4000Lux. I quit the test at 162 hours because it just kept going.

At this point I'll believe any claim Gene Malkoff makes on his website about his drop-ins, these are everything he claims and then some. This light will put a spot on trees across the lake in front of my house. Very impressive.

Edit: Just for comparison, the same drop-in in the 6D Maglite puts out just over 14000Lux. If I get board next week or so I'll re-run this graph on the 6D to see what the extra 2 batteries do for the runtime curve.


C.P.T.

 

[BigWaffles]

One last Malkoff graph to post. This is the M60 in a Surefire 6P host running on Surefire primaries.

This test was right at the limits of my Lux meter. The meter tops out at 20,000 Lux and it was on overload for the first couple of minutes.

The drop-in has good regulation and works as advertised. Gene claims 1.5+hrs on his website and he is dead on. This dropped out of regulation at almost 1.5hrs exactly.

Not sure why, but this drop-in put out 5000Lux more than the Maglite drop-in even though it is rated at 10Lumen less. Thoughts?

One thing to be aware of, this unit really puts out the heat. I tested it in an all-metal 6P and after 1hr the head was almost too hot to touch and the body was uncomfortably warm. It never got any hotter but I wouldn't recommend running this for any length of time in a Nitrolon body (even with the metal head). I will be getting a 9P host for this drop-in. I can't test the output as it is well over the limits of my Lux meter but I guess it will be in the 22,000Lux - 23,000Lux range. It will make a nice small powerhouse.

Not much else to add except this thing is awesome.


C.P.T.

 

[csshih]

Impressive work, C.P.T.

Not much else to add except you're awesome.

-- Craig

 

[BigWaffles]

Just for comparison I made a compilation graph showing the Makloff M60 with the Surefire G3 - P90 and P91 Lamps. All of these are run on Surefire Primaries.

As you can see, with the 1.5hr runtime, the Malkoff M60 has the others beat hands down. I really liked my G3/P91 for its high output but hated it for its extremely short runtime; looks like I can now have both. It's amazing that a 2 battery Malkoff M60 will out perform a 3 battery G3 with a P91 High Output Lamp. Later.


C.P.T.

 

[Bullzeyebill]

It would interesting to see how Malkoff for 4-6D graph would look like using NiMh D's? Thanks for your work.

Bill

 

[greenLED]

BigWaffles, thanks for all the effort you put into this.

Have you thought about using a public FTP site to upload the raw files? That way people can pick and choose which graphs they want to make, etc.

Can't think of any such services right now, but I know they're available. You upload a file and then share the corresponding link.

 

[22hornet]

C.P.T.,
Thanks a lot! I think the runtime graph of the Maglite 4D Malkoff is quite revealing.
The bad: regulation is not very flat.
The good: great output and - this is really interesting, I think - it remains at a low level for a looong time. This low level is actually as bright, or brighter, than the 1W nite-ize for a 2AA minimag and this output beats the Nite-ize 10mm dropin for the 2-6cell Maglites.

Thanks, Gene, thanks C.P.T.

These runtime graphs really answered some long-lived questions.

Kind regards,
Joris

 

[Alan B]

BigWaffles, thanks for all the effort you put into this.

Have you thought about using a public FTP site to upload the raw files? That way people can pick and choose which graphs they want to make, etc.

Can't think of any such services right now, but I know they're available. You upload a file and then share the corresponding link.

Google spreadsheet would work well for this. The pages can be imported easily into excel for local graphing.

 

[Kestrel]

One last Malkoff graph to post. This is the M60 in a Surefire 6P host running on Surefire primaries.

Is there any way to add two more sets to this graph:

• M60 - 6P - 2xRCR123's and
• M60 - 6P - 1x17670.

I've read (& participated in) some debate recently about the viability of running the M60 on a single 17670 - slightly lower output, minimal regulation, long graceful decline on ~1500 total mAh vs the M60 on 2xRCR123's - complete regulation, abrupt shutoff w/ cell protection circuit - 1100 total mAh. I would go out on a limb to suggest that 1x17670 is a more useful configuration imho.

I know your runs are all primary cells but I would find some rechargeable LiIon comparisons very interesting. I would volunteer either but I only have 2x17500, which cannot duplicate the undocumented behavior of the M60 on 1x17670.

Thank you very much for your graphs, very interesting work.

 

[Illum]

22hornet,

By request, here is the Malkoff for the 4-6D Maglite. I got this around the first of the month and just got around to testing it. This is in a 4D Maglite running on Energizer Alkalines.
...

Initially I was shocked by that runtime seeing that the output dropped so suddenly, then I saw the hour intervals, now I'm impressed:devil:

Its good to see the moon mode going that smoothly though, makes me wonder whether the alkaline based LED lights [like AA magLED] uses mediocre drivers that can't use the energy left in those alkalines:shakehead

 

[greenLED]

Google spreadsheet would work well for this. The pages can be imported easily into excel for local graphing.

Can you make a Google doc open to the public? I've only ever shared docs via e-mail to a few peeps.

 

[JamisonM]

22hornet,

By request, here is the Malkoff for the 4-6D Maglite. I got this around the first of the month and just got around to testing it. This is in a 4D Maglite running on Energizer Alkalines.


The horizontal scale is in hours. It took 12hrs to drop to 4000Lux. I quit the test at 162 hours because it just kept going.

At this point I'll believe any claim Gene Malkoff makes on his website about his drop-ins, these are everything he claims and then some. This light will put a spot on trees across the lake in front of my house. Very impressive.

Edit: Just for comparison, the same drop-in in the 6D Maglite puts out just over 14000Lux. If I get board next week or so I'll re-run this graph on the 6D to see what the extra 2 batteries do for the runtime curve.


C.P.T.

I can't thank you enough. I have always wanted to see the runtime for a 3D and 4D maglite with Gene's drop-in installed. Any chance of seeing the runtime of a 3D and 4D with Gene's drop-in powered with NiMH?

 

[BigWaffles]

It would interesting to see how Malkoff for 4-6D graph would look like using NiMh D's? Thanks for your work.

Bill

Is there any way to add two more sets to this graph:

• M60 - 6P - 2xRCR123's and
• M60 - 6P - 1x17670.

I can't thank you enough. I have always wanted to see the runtime for a 3D and 4D maglite with Gene's drop-in installed. Any chance of seeing the runtime of a 3D and 4D with Gene's drop-in powered with NiMH?

Unfortunately at this time I don't have any rechargables except Eneloop AAs. Also, my charger only takes AAA and AA; I'll have to look into it. Is there a charger that will take all sizes (RCR123, 17670, AAA thru D)?

Google spreadsheet would work well for this. The pages can be imported easily into excel for local graphing.

Can you make a Google doc open to the public? I've only ever shared docs via e-mail to a few peeps.

Per your suggestions, I'm checking into Google Docs. My first upload removed the graph from the spreadsheet; I'm not sure it supports that function. I might only be able to post the raw data in the spreadsheets. I'll play with it some more tomorrow.

Thanks to all for the support on this, I'm having fun and learning quite a bit.


C.P.T.

 

[JamisonM]

Unfortunately at this time I don't have any rechargables except Eneloop AAs. Also, my charger only takes AAA and AA; I'll have to look into it. Is there a charger that will take all sizes (RCR123, 17670, AAA thru D)?

I'm sorry, but I don't know of such a charger, but if you don't mind, I'd wouldn't mind seeing the runtime with 4 eneloops. You say you have only eneloops like it's a bad thing. They're great batteries and I'm currently using four of them in D adapters in a 4D maglite with Gene's older copper heatsink drop-in as my dog walking light and I love it. If I can see the runtime with 4AA 2000mAh NiMH cells, I can use that as a bases of guestimating the runtime I'd see with higher capacity NiMH. At least, that's how it works out in my mind.