LaCrosse BC-9009 / BC-900 - The Melt-Downs Continue...

MarioJP

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I got both my chargera in August 09. Its been 5 months both chargers are firmware 35. Still working, I lost count of how many times I have used this charger to recharge my cells. The only thing is the cells gets hot when they are bad cells. I also have charged brand new cells. Charger and cells are warm until it has finish charger at 1amp charge rate.

Maybe something has changed between august and now??
 
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The incident list in the first post has been updated to include the most recent reports from this forum and amazon.com. Including this Voltcraft IPC-1 reported by forum member saturnmond, it now totals 22 reports involving 25 separate melt-downs:



As well, thanks to all those taking the time to report their experiences to Amazon and the United States Consumer Protection Agency, the 'Item Under Review' designation continues at amazon.com. It would great to see everyone's efforts rewarded with a revision that finally addresses this hazard.

Pertinent contact numbers and hyperlinks compiled by forum member ShawnLam:

If you have a meltdown or overheating problem, please file a report online with the US Consumer Product Safety Commission. They need more reports in order to do a proper investigation and initiate a recall.

https://www.cpsc.gov/cgibin/incident.aspx
Please add your story here:

http://www.amazon.com/ ... /product-reviews/B00077AA5Q

http://www.shawnlam.ca/blog/battery-charger-meltdown

http://www.candlepowerforums.com ... post3193233

Call La Crosse and demand they recall this dangerous product. VP Sales 608 782 1982 x146

Call the US Consumer Product Safety Commission to report this incident. 1 800 638 2772

Call Amazon to request they no longer carry this dangerous product. 1 800 201 7575
 

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IIRC, voltcraft is the name the charger is sold under in germany??? I'm also pretty sure in the UK, the bc-700 is sold under the name technoline.

It kinda makes ya wonder whether or not La-Crosse actually has any intellectual investment in these things or if they're simply rebranding them as well:shrug:
 

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I wonder where mines is made from. These 2 chargers don't seem to have the defect compared to the most recent LA Crosse chargers.

They both say the LA Crosse Logo. I am currently charging 4 cells (2 on each charger) at 1800mA charge rate.

I come back an hour later the charger and cells are still warm no signs of overheating on both the chargers.

I guess I got the lucky chargers??

the date that I got both is aug 09. I think its the power supply unit that might be defective. Has anyone tried a third party adapter and see if that is the problem??

Just does not makes any sense that I am not affected or even aware of the issue until these forums. Could it also be that la crosse outsourced after aug 09??. its these little things we should pay close attention.
 
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I too....fall into the category of....one of the people who have had absolutely NO problems with my LaCrosse BC-900 chargers.

I have 2 of them, both purchased from Thomas-Distributing. They both have the v33 firmware in them.

I have used EVERY possible setting they have...and regularly charge 4 cells at a time using the 1000mA charge/500mA discharge rates. Warning - older cells can tend to heat up a bit at the very end of the cycle (true -deltaV). When they start doing that, I then drop down to using the 700mA charge/350mA discharge rates on those older cells. I also use the 500mA charge/250mA discharge and the 200mA charge/100mA discharge rates quite often as well, mostly on AAA cells.

I have caught a couple missed terminations, although they occurred using the lower charge rates on older batteries....definitely not a good combination.

I actually like my 2 Lacrosse BC-900 chargers every bit as much as my 2 Maha MH-C9000 chargers, although for different reasons.

Another thing.....

KEEP AN EYE ON NEW CELLS......at least for the first few (3-5 cycles). ALL NEW NiMH cells are subject to missing terminations during the first few cycles when using chargers that rely on -deltaV as their primary termination method. The -deltaV drop becomes much more pronounced after just a few cycles.

Yes.....even our beloved Eneloops and any other LSD cell too can suffer from this problem.

I've seen a few posts blaming the missed termination on low charge rates with new cells...quite true. When using low charge rates and new cells you are MUCH more likely to run into a missed termination. On a new cell definitely stick with the .5C - 1C charge rate, and even then....keep any eye on them.

FYI . . . . The biggest reason that you do not see missed terminations on the MH-C9000's is that it actually terminates using a set maxV point (1.47V - its supposedly secondary termination method) more often than it ever hits -deltaV (it's supposedly primary termination method). Although I did have a couple (out of well over a hundred or more AA cells) odd, off-brand cells that would hit -deltaV at 1.45V.

Maha was also having troubles with the -deltaV terminations, so they lowered the maxV so far (1.47V) that now, almost all cells tend to hit the set maxV point before they ever hit -deltaV. So the result is no missed terminations, but a slightly undercharged battery...even when compared to their other chargers that do actually use -deltaV.

Someone with a rev. F MH-C9000 may actually hit -deltaV much more than someone with a rev. G or H charger since the set maxV point was higher.
 
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See this is whats getting my attention. Obviously someone needs to test the power supply unit and simulate under load test using some sort of tester to test power supplies. the 4 cells i was charging earlier are now done without any meltdowns. Sure they were getting warm close to hot but the charge was terminated.

I touched the charger itself, the charger is just warm even at the bottom. The cells were warmer than the charger.

The pictures that I have seen about the melted charger needs to test the power supply unit. After all transformers can cause a lot of problems if there is a defect.

Second possibility,especially when La-crosse is hearing these reports I wonder if they changed the design of this charger that made the problem worst??.

I think the power supply should of been tested first. here are the specs of my chargers

they are both BC-9009 with firmware 35

Both chargers comes with a 3V 4A AC adapter. If the power supply has been changed then that can be a problem.

I even forced this charger to charge Ni-ZN cells and whats strange is these cells don't heat up at all.

so the only 2 possibility I can think of is

1.after aug 09 some design changes were made??
2.Power supply since aug 09 is pushing too much than what the charger can handle.??

I did read somewhere where the power supply that are coming in these new units the volts is 3.3v-3.5v if that is the case this is very bad and disaster is waiting to happen. Charger as it is already at its limits at 3 volts. 3.3v to 3.5v is just pushing it. If the MOSFET fails this is bad.

why would they up the voltage is beyond me.
 
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Well, it is Monday evening Jan. 04, 2010 here on the East Coast and Amazon has the "for Sale" out on the hot little items again. What do we make of that? Pease don't blame me – I just report the facts.
Want it delivered Tuesday, January 5? Choose One-Day Shipping at checkout.
 

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I see its back in stock. Wonder what kind of test that they did and what is la crosse saying. I am just try to figure why I am not having this problem yet identical packaging.

Other things I want to know is how long before the meltdown happens??.
 
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I wonder if Amazon are putting themselves into a legally vulnerable position by continuing to sell an item despite numerous reports of fires/meltdowns?

Some years ago the advertising jingle of British Coal was "Come home to a real fire". Maybe LaCrosse could adopt that?
 

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For what I seen is its not big enough for them to be too concern. The questions is exactly what kind of "review" they did on this "item"??.
 

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Damn...now that is bad.....did you read the description, all that was left was the casing of the battery.
 

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Some years ago the advertising jingle of British Coal was "Come home to a real fire". Maybe LaCrosse could adopt that?

And if British Coal wasn't willing to share, perhaps they could adopt one of these:

"LaCrosse chargers, let us light up your life!".

"LaCrosse chargers, let us light up your life's possessions!".

Or, if Ikea was willing to share, "LaCrosse chargers, Unböring!"
 

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I am just try to figure why I am not having this problem yet identical packaging.

Other things I want to know is how long before the meltdown happens??
Other people have reported the button melting incident on the discharge cycle, doing a 500 mA discharge, 1000 mA charge. Just after the discharge ends and the charge starts, one of the buttons melts and sinks. If you really want to melt your charger you could try that and see...
 

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I see its back in stock. Wonder what kind of test that they did and what is la crosse saying. I am just try to figure why I am not having this problem yet identical packaging.

Other things I want to know is how long before the meltdown happens??.

At the risk of stating the obvious, there are many classes of failure. It could be a design flaw, in which case you will see a melt down if you reproduce certain conditions. Or it could be a quality control issue, with some units displaying a manufacturing flaw. In this case you might never see the problem. Of course it could also be a problem that appears with time e.g. a wire is too thin, gradually breaks, and hey presto, your house is toast.
 

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Other people have reported the button melting incident on the discharge cycle, doing a 500 mA discharge, 1000 mA charge. Just after the discharge ends and the charge starts, one of the buttons melts and sinks. If you really want to melt your charger you could try that and see...

whaaaa! :eek:oo:. I have lost count of doing exactly what you have said. I also do a discharge before charging my cells.

I even have done refresh cycles have it sit there for hours. I been using these features a lot.

I even discharged 4 ni-zn cells that are between 1.9V down to 1.6V. During discharge it gets warm but does not melt.

I am starting to wonder if its a design flaw of the charger itself or the AC power adapter is pushing too much current than what the charger can handle or combination of both??.

I literally have used the refresh/discharge modes like there is no tomorrow.

Sometimes I charge cells at 1.8A and the charger is still warm during charging. (just don't charge bad or crappy cells at that rate).

Just curious. I want to know what is the voltage coming out of the AC adapter from these new units??
 
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Mario, my first car was rated as a POS by Consumer Reports, but I drove it trouble free for almost 9 years.

In other words, not every BC-900/9009 is going to go :poof:
 

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Mario, my first car was rated as a POS by Consumer Reports, but I drove it trouble free for almost 9 years.

In other words, not every BC-900/9009 is going to go :poof:

And what is the likely of 2 of these chargers not going poof. Sometimes I use both at the same time to charge 8 cells, yet neither of the chargers does not have the problem of overheating or melting. This is what's getting my attention. Need to find the source of the problem or many of the problems of these new units after Aug 09.

Knowing how the Economy is going today it is possible that LA Crosse technologies secretly outsourced their production??. Although the charger does says "Made in China"
 
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I will not buy a car that is notoriously known to set itself ablaze regardless of maintenance and safe driving.
 
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