The Malkoff M61!

[Chris H]

They are on Malkoff's site as a dealer sooo....I'm hoping they're good to go. We shall see upon delivery.

Cheers, Certainly shall!

Here in the UK

M61 + MD-2 + free shipping (well it certainly didn't charge me)=
$85 from One Source Tactical

M61 + $30 shipping (based on my order last year)=
$89 from Malkoff

So essentially I have just ordered an M61 way before I thought I would get hold of one and I get a free MD-2 body thrown in for my original not used Surefire LED drop in. BARGAIN

Cheers
Chris

 

[ginaz]

If people make up 'facts' about the M61 and post them, it admittedly does sow some confusion.

the M61 has longer run-time than Chuck Norris
the M61 runs so cool, it can chill a beer
the M61 has so much spill, it raised the sea level by 1/4"

 

[Owen]

He is also working on some new XPG-specific driver designs for both the M60 and M30, which was of great interest to me.

My guess is that the M61 should now run very well on a 3.7v LiIon (G. Malkoff has stated via e-mail correspondence late last year that we should expect the M60 replacement to be an even better match to a single LiIon than the M60 was due to the slightly lower Vf of the XP-G). This pretty much takes it to M30 territory IMO, somewhat replacing the requirement for an M31.
.................
Anyway, just the combination of idle speculation by me as well as wishful thinking. FWIW... :tinfoil:

Which is why the M61 is replacing (among other things), the M30. Which is stated earlier in this thread, IIRC.

The great thing about having this master M61 thread is that it contains pretty much all CPF knowledge on the M61, all there for the reading. If people make up 'facts' about the M61 and post them, it admittedly does sow some confusion.

It certainly does...

 

[DM51]

The great thing about having this master M61 thread is that it contains pretty much all CPF knowledge on the M61, all there for the reading.

Kestrel, this is very helpful - thank you :) !
If you see other threads or posts that would be better placed in this thread, please let me or another member of staff know and we'll move them here.

 

[Ggmesquita]

OK, just off the phone with One Source Tactical and guess what? It is (or at least was) the real deal! They told me it really comes with the M61! BUT...... they are out of stock for now and the next shipment will come in not less than 3 to 4 weeks! :duh2: AND they said it will take that long because "the manufacturer is moving their facilities" Does anyone know anything about that?

 

[Kestrel]

Sorry about that, guys. Should have used the "thread search" tool.

Actually, I'd like to apologize for my earlier post - I knew I could make a better case (i.e. a sounder argument) than what I wrote, but was too grumpy to take the time to do so - I had a slightly different topic in mind from a few posts back. I have subsequently edited my post. Sorry. :o

the M61 has longer run-time than Chuck Norris
the M61 runs so cool, it can chill a beer
the M61 has so much spill, it raised the sea level by 1/4"

LOL, good one. ;)

It certainly does...

Touche, Owen. :o
I was thinking of this short thread on the "M31" in addition to the current one (i.e. this M61 thread), with the relevant text quoted below:

Looking at the input voltages for the new Malkoff M61, it appears that it's regulated from 3.4-9.0v. The old M30 appeared to drop out of regulation below 3.3v. Does the new M61 remove the need for an M31, since it stays in regulation at so low a voltage? Will Malkoff come out with a 1.0-5.5v model of the M61?

It's possible that the M61 will replace the M60, M60F, and the M30 and M30F. This is thanks to the new reflector which offers an excellent balance and the more efficient XP-G LED. The official word, however, would have to come from Gene Malkoff...

(emphasis added)

I have the highest regard for carrot's posts and had this speculation above in mind when I posted yesterday evening. His post (a valid hypothesis IMO) made a lot of sense to me at the time, so I think I took it to heart excessively. :o
(and I really really want an M21 instead of an M31...)

Kestrel, this is very helpful - thank you :) !
If you see other threads or posts that would be better placed in this thread, please let me or another member of staff know and we'll move them here.

Thanks but I don't deserve any kudos here - it's been great having virtually all the M61 info posted in this thread, due to both the efforts of the mods and the inclination of all of these folks to post in this thread rather than making seprarate threads.


Anyway, my apologies for a rather poor post on my part yesterday, I could have stated my thoughts better but was unusually grumpy yesterday evening. I should have taken more time to write a better post, sorry. :o

 

[Paul_in_Maryland]

Re: The Malkoff M61! (3.4V vs. 3V)

The lower input voltage of 3.4v and the lower vf of the xpg will result in flat regulation for a while on a single 18650 until the voltage in the cell drops below 3.4v. The more efficient xpg will also give more runtime.

What a pity that 3.4V puts the M61 just out of reach of two NiZn AA cells. The M30 series-dropins are regulated at 3.0V+, perfect for a pair of nickel-zincs. I hope this means that we can look forward to an M31.

 

[Kestrel]

Re: The Malkoff M61! (3.4V vs. 3V)

What a pity that 3.4V puts the M61 just out of reach of two NiZn AA cells. The M30 series-dropins are regulated at 3.0V+, perfect for a pair of nickel-zincs. I hope this means that we can look forward to an M31.

Some M30 data from another thread:

M30 on a regulated power supply at various voltages and the current draw there of.
1.5V 0.84A 1.26W
2.0V 0.88A 1.76W
3.0V 0.97A 2.91W
3.2V 1.00A 3.20W
3.6V 1.10A 3.96W
4.0V 1.29A 5.16W
4.2V 1.42A 5.96W
4.5V 1.60A 7.20W
5.0V 1.89A 9.45W

So from what I see here, the M30 would operate at an initial wattage of ~3W on 2x NiZn compared to ~4W on 1x LiIon (and ~2.3W on 2x NiMH)

While the M30 is considered to be regulated at a range of relatively low voltages, it appears to be in a rather odd way - I for one am hoping to get a driver in a new low-voltage Malkoff drop-in which performs better than the M30 at the lower voltages that you anticipate using. (For starters - I'd love a Malkoff XP-G drop-in that performs at maximum wattage from ~2.5v (2x NiMH, 1x CR123) all the way up to ~4v.)

 

[kyhunter1]

Re: The Malkoff M61! (3.4V vs. 3V)

Gene, please give us a low voltage M31!

What a pity that 3.4V puts the M61 just out of reach of two NiZn AA cells. The M30 series-dropins are regulated at 3.0V+, perfect for a pair of nickel-zincs. I hope this means that we can look forward to an M31.

+1

Some M30 data from another thread:


So from what I see here, the M30 would operate at an initial wattage of ~3W on 2x NiZn compared to ~4W on 1x LiIon (and ~2.3W on 2x NiMH)

While the M30 is considered to be regulated at a range of relatively low voltages, it appears to be in a rather odd way - I for one am hoping to get a driver in a new low-voltage Malkoff drop-in which performs better than the M30 at the lower voltages that you anticipate using. (For starters - I'd love a Malkoff XP-G drop-in that performs at maximum wattage from ~2.5v (2x NiMH, 1x CR123) all the way up to ~4v.)

 

[ElectronGuru]

they are out of stock for now and the next shipment will come in not less than 3 to 4 weeks! :duh2: AND they said it will take that long because "the manufacturer is moving their facilities" Does anyone know anything about that?

Malkoff essentially has two production facilities, his factory and himself. He can build them sooner, but not as many. The few shipping now are essentially advanced units, from his own bench, made available only on his website. The factory can build more units but takes longer to get up to speed. Once that happens, bulk shipments (including those to dealers) will begin. I can only hope that 'moving' means product changes and not building changes. Changing both at the same time would be a major undertaking.

What we are experiencing now is very much like it was, before the factory came on line the first time. And for the same reasons.

 

[AR_Shorty]

For those that are interested. I just got an email from One Source Tactical letting me know that the MD2/M61 lights are in stock as of yesterday and mine is shipping out today. Get em' while you can!:rock:

No longer listed on their website.:(

 

[jblackwood]

Don't worry about it, Kestrel. When I'm wrong I'm wrong . . . it happens so infrequently that I don't have to think too hard to remember those times!! :D
Just kidding, of course. :poke:

Ever since I got into Li-ions, I've tried to be mindful of the voltage requirements in order to get the most out of runtime and regulation, but mostly so the light wouldn't go :poof:!

We are, after all, here to help each other and I'd hate to be one of the folks who are mucking up the threads with inane babble and not too much to add.
:grouphug:

In that spirit, I just got an email from One Source Tactical telling me that when they tried to reorder M61's, they were told that it would be another 12 WEEKS before they'd get another shipment. :eek: So much for me getting one in this first wave (tint be damned). :( You snooze, you lose. I didn't order mine until last night from One Source, though, so take that for what it's worth.

This was me last night . . . :tired:, then I decided to get the M61, which led to :broke:, but still I was :D. Getting the email was not unexpected, but still, you can't blame a guy for being a little :scowl:, or at least :ironic: . . . still, this is all extremely fun and lovecpf.

A big ole :thumbsup: to Gene for designing some real favorites for us (I'd thank others too, but this thread is about Gene).

 

[RWT1405]

Got my M61's in today! I'm happy as a pig in...... well, you know! LOL

My .02 FWIW YMMV

 

[carrot]

Got my M61's in today! I'm happy as a pig in...... well, you know! LOL

My .02 FWIW YMMV

A pig... in bacon? How delicious! :lolsign:

 

[etc]

Re: The Malkoff M61! (3.4V vs. 3V)

What a pity that 3.4V puts the M61 just out of reach of two NiZn AA cells. The M30 series-dropins are regulated at 3.0V+, perfect for a pair of nickel-zincs. I hope this means that we can look forward to an M31.

If there is ever a M61L or M61LL, then you can use AA cells.

 

[jblackwood]

A pig... in bacon? How delicious! :lolsign:

Mmmmmmm, pig in a bacon . . . . arghrgrgrghrgrhgrhgrhg. :sick2:

 

[PoliceScannerMan]

Mmmmmmm, pig in a bacon . . . . arghrgrgrghrgrhgrhgrhg. :sick2:

Reminds me of chilli cheese BBQ bacon Pork melts I once made. :D

I think whoever said the M61 is like a morph of regular (M60) and flood (M60F) was spot on.

I just went outside with all three, M30W, M30WF, and the M61. I was shining all three up close and far and mid range. The M61 is the best of both worlds!!! :twothumbs

Now dont get me wrong, if your doing close work, the flood is the way to go. And if you need to put a beam out there the regular is the way to go. But for a jack of all trades, the M61 is a homerun. IMO, the M30/60 out throws, but not by a whole lot. And conversely, the Flood out floods, but again, not by a whole lot! :thinking:

I cant wait, I have two MD2 clips (Along w the M60LL that was on sale for $39) showing up tomorrow. Never EDCed a MD2, but I'm gonna start!!! :cool:

 

[5Sport]

I orderd mine on friday, I received an E-mail on monday saying that it was shipped, and I received it today. Nice beam, nice bulid, and brighter than the P60L from Surefire.

Nice Job Cathy and Gene.

So far so good. As long as this holds up, I will be a repeat customer. This is my first purchase from them.:D

 

[FroggyTaco]

I have the highest regard for carrot's posts and had this speculation above in mind when I posted yesterday evening. His post (a valid hypothesis IMO) made a lot of sense to me at the time, so I think I took it to heart excessively. :o
(and I really really want an M21 instead of an M31...)

All I feel comfortable saying here is don't give up hope. Nothing has been decided, but let Gene get up to speed on M61 production so he has time to "tinker".......

Travis

p.s.- Buy a flood now if you are on the fence about owning one.

 

[damn_hammer]

If mine is too green it will be going back. The XP-G in my Preon I is not green at all, on any level that I noticed so my expectation is set.

M61 arrived yesterday. Dropped into a Z44 bezel on an orange G2 body/tail. Very bright, and pure white to my eyes. Nice.