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I think that is the 4th link to the same EPA document (the other three earlier links go to the original scanned PDF itself--And I posted a section from it).

I guess my frustration is that here is a report from two test labs (I think that is what is it says) that both reached the same conclusion. No response such as "here is where they went wrong in their testing" or how a test with a 2007 model car with full emissions control (injectors, computer, O2 sensor, knock sensor, etc.) is helped with Fuelon... But, instead, a preemptive post right at the beginning that said:

B4 some 1 here quotes some bogus 1980 test from the EPA.

The EPA, FDA, FTC and others have interests.That interest is making money.If you think our G-Ment would not lie to us to make a buck..your a newbie.Not long ago, smoking was "good" for you.The list goes on.I will not go more into this..those that know..know.
And as Diesel Bomber has said, modern cars with O2 sensors will simply adjust the fuel/air mixture to bring everything back to optimum--regardless of the additive. For example, ethanol is supposed to add oxygen to the fuel and lean out the mixture for a cleaner burn. This only works in engines without O2 sensors--in the modern car--nothing will change (except poor fuel mileage as more fuel is injected to make up for the lower BTU content / extra oxygen per gallon of Ethanol).

There is also another reason why "modern" cars do not use lean burn techniques (which really do increase efficiency) now... Simply, the hotter combustion simply creates more Oxides of Nitrogen and a an exhaust gas mixture which does not respond well to normal catalytic converters. Honda had the original VTEC engine--but had to drop it as emissions requirements tightened. Turns out that the normal 14:1 stoichiometric air/fuel mixture works best with catalytic converters (which reduce emissions roughly by a factor of 100).

There are other techniques out there (like stratified charge--gasoline) engines which attempt to balance out the engineering issues of economy, power, and emissions... But, in the end, I don't see how an ounce or two of additive will have much positive change to a well running/designed/modern gasoline engine.

Regarding:

Tried acetone years ago.It does work.Not as well though. Fuelon has some acetone in it along with 100+ other things.

I believe that this is a real GM service bulletin--Found it quoted several places (but, this is the Internet after all):

Bulletin No.: 05-00-89-072
Date: October 24, 2005
INFORMATION

Subject:
Fuel and Oil Additives - Facts and Myths/Maximizing Fuel Economy
...
Chemicals that are normally used as solvents also should not be used. These include acetone, ketones, and methanol.
These solvents can be incompatible with your vehicles rubber or sealing components, and may dissolve the vehicle's paint finish. In the case of methanol, corrosion of metal parts in the fuel system also may occur.

Note: Never use acetone, ketones, or methanol additives in your vehicle. Some of these solvents may damage or corrode your fuel system. They are also very damaging to the painted surfaces of the vehicle if spilled.
If Fuelon contains Acetone--I assume that GM will void your warranty if they catch you putting Fuelon in your car and are having weird fuel system/engine problems.

See lots of reasons never to use Fuelon, have seen few reasons to use it.

-Bill
 

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How can a fuel additive improve performance and where is that performance realised? A start is to understand why turbo cars run very rich fuel mixes when on boost? Think pre-ignition and detonation. Now incorporate cam timing and tuning and relate that back to the octane rating. You should start to see the inefficiencies.

I did say it was very much simplified. I am very well aware that there are other complicating factors, that all parts of engine tuning are a compromise. What I don't understand is how Fuelon could possibly fix any of them.

I'd like someone to explain just how Fuelon works. That's it, that's all I want. Instead of claims of perceived increases in performance, I want an explanation of HOW these increases come about? What does Fuelon do? How does it work? Once that is explained to I may well go buy a bottle and try some. I suspect MANY others will as well. Until that explanation is forthcoming, Fuelon is snake oil and nothing more. I'll bow out of this thread until there's an explanation.

Have a good one, all. :buddies:
 

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***Note to self : Not 1 person in the peanut gallery said " I got that stuff..tried it and it did'nt work at all OR blew up my car"...not 1

I don't think there is a single person on this board or in this thread who wouldn't love for a product to be available which actually does what Fuelon alleges it does.

BUT...

There are LOTS of things in life that can be learned from others, and don't have to be experienced personally. There are others that just with careful consideration can be ruled out because they are simply another clever means to separate you from your money.

There's plenty enough doubt and a lack of multiple positive experiences with Fuelon to ensure that I ain't gonna try it.

:shrug:
 

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Again : I do not work for , or get paid in any way, shape or form from Fuelon.

After a little digging, I found why you love this stuff so much. Fuelon gave you your 60 seconds of fame "Seen in 100 +countries".
**Off topic a bit, PLEASE dont delete or close Mods pretty please :)

So many here want Pics or video..So here ya go.
Need Quicktime video player

MY world wide TV infomercial ( a clip of it).Seen in 100 +countries, translated ofcorse.Its actually 30 mins long the full version.

Shame CPF has no hats or shirts. I would wear them on TV and in pictures in Mags im in often.Screw my sponcers !!! :devil:

Anyway here is 60sec of me:

http://www.fuelon.com/fuelonmovie.html

From a 2 day event July 4-5 Summer Nationals . I won heads up AND bracket that day.
This car has custom HID lights )


https://www.candlepowerforums.com/posts/2091897&postcount=17
http://www.fuelon.com/fuelonmovie.html

If I'm not mistaken, that's a big'ol "Fuelon Power" SPONSORSHIP on your vehicle. But no, they don't pay you "in any way, shape or form..."

That makes at least three different threads where you're pushing this product, one of them created expressly for the purpose of pushing this product, and one of them being extremely off topic (fuel additives in a diffuser material thread???). So, just because they are a sponsor, AND they gave you 60 seconds of fame doesn't mean that your views for this product are maybe a little biased?? And you say that the other studies are corrupt and we're not giving it a fair shake.

One thread is voicing your opinion, two is a little enthusiastic, three is what I call ADVERTISING!!
 
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After a little digging, I found why you love this stuff so much. Fuelon gave you your 60 seconds of fame "Seen in 100 +countries".




If I'm not mistaken, that's a big'ol "Fuelon Power" SPONSORSHIP on your vehicle. But no, they don't pay you "in any way, shape or form..."

That makes at least three different threads where you're pushing this product, one of them created expressly for the purpose of pushing this product, and one of them being extremely off topic (fuel additives in a diffuser material thread???). So, just because they are a sponsor, AND they gave you 60 seconds of fame doesn't mean that your views for this product are maybe a little biased?? And you say that the other studies are corrupt and we're not giving it a fair shake.

One thread is voicing your opinion, two is a little enthusiastic, three is what I call ADVERTISING!!


Whoops! Busted! LOL

Way to go, Marduke! You just gave me my biggest laugh of the night!
 

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Woopsiedasiy......

No need to continue the theoretical discussion of engines then :)

Diesel_Bomber - sorry mate, no intention to offend. Just steer the thread on to how any additive could possibly improve economy. Thought it was better than berating FAASTCAR.
 

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The thread is disrespectful and rude from the starting post through the end. What more could be expected. The drama is through - thread closed.
 
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