3.0 vs. 3.6 vs. 3.7

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I am a nooooobie. Is there a rule of thumb when to use rechargeable batteries, and when to use higher voltage batteries? Can I use a 3.6 or 3.7 volt in a xenon bulb light? I have some seoul p4 lights, some cree lights some led lights and some xenon lights.I have a surefire m6 guardian as well as others, can I use rechargeable batteries for that? Thanks.
 
Hi Audiowiz,

:welcome: It all depends.If your xenon bulb is rated for 6 volts then you can usually drive it at 7.4 volts.The light will be whiter and brighter.The downside is reduced bulb life and the risk of instaflashing the bulb.So you can generally replace 2Xcr123 with 2Xrcr123 with decreased run time.If you wanted to use a single 18650 at 3.7 volts for increased run time you'd have to use a different bulb.

With LEDs is a little more complicated.Best to use manufacturers recommendation in that case.

Andy

I am a nooooobie. Is there a rule of thumb when to use rechargeable batteries, and when to use higher voltage batteries? Can I use a 3.6 or 3.7 volt in a xenon bulb light? I have some seoul p4 lights, some cree lights some led lights and some xenon lights.I have a surefire m6 guardian as well as others, can I use rechargeable batteries for that? Thanks.
 
You can use "rechargeable" (secondary) 3.7v cells with the M6 if you use the Lumens Factory HO-M6R bulb but not otherwise. See http://www.lighthound.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2965

There really isn't a rule of thumb. Most lights will tell you what the bulb or electronics can withstand. Li-ion secondary cells start at 4.2v fully charged which is a lot higher than the 3.0v a primary (non-rechargeable) cell is at, so you can't assume anything.

And if you're new at this be sure to read about the hazards of rechargeable Lithium batteries before using them. These are not NImH - they can and do explode and start fires (the polite phrase is "vent with flame").
 
Hello Jrv,

A slight correction...

The proper term is Rapidly vent, sometimes with flame... :) This is synonymous with rapid disassembly with flame, and is just shy of an explosion.

Tom
 
Hello Jrv,

A slight correction...

The proper term is Rapidly vent, sometimes with flame... :) This is synonymous with rapid disassembly with flame, and is just shy of an explosion.

Tom

Does that apply to the flashlight they're in too ? :devil:
 
Does that apply to the flashlight they're in too ? :devil:
The proper term for what happens to the flashlight is "Unforeseen radical impairment of the structural integrity of the flashlight due to inopportune superfluity of internal pressure." LOL
 
there are very specific combinations that work fine, but throwing out a general rule of thumb is difficult...

You can usually use 2 li-ion cells in place of 3 lithium primary cells to drive 9V tactical lamps.
You can usually buy a 3.7V lamp specifically intended for use with 1 li-ion cell in a tactical flashlight that was originally designed for use with 2xCR123 and a 6V tactical lamp.
You can sometimes overdrive certain 12V rated tactical lamps with 3 li-ion cells, but in many cases there are special "13V" tactical lamps designated for use in these configurations.

You can also usually overdrive certain 6V halogen lamps with 2 li-ion cells and get by just fine in custom mods. (like the 5761, or ROP, or various other medical lamps rated 100 hours at 6V)

As for your xenon light.... click on the link in my signature, if the light isn't discussed in that compatibility chart, toss a question specific to your flashlight in the incandescent section, maybe we can figure out a viable solution.

IMO you really should avoid "3.0V" lithium-ion cells, as they are usually just regular 3.7V cells with voltage regulators in them... some of the newer LiFeP04 cells rated "3.0V" might be a bit more suitable since they have a lower initial voltage, and therefor the regulator wouldn't be eating up as much power in the process, but there are ideal configurations available for most lights that involve reasonably safe protected li-ion cells with no regulators required.
 
The proper term for what happens to the flashlight is "Unforeseen radical impairment of the structural integrity of the flashlight due to inopportune superfluity of internal pressure." LOL

:crackup: :faint:

Gotta admire Tom's being consistent with his "rapid venting" description.
 
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