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Evening all from the UK! Great forum you have here, glad I found you in time as it appears I could have made a very ill informed purchase. Please can you recommend me a torch I can use in my day, please see below completed checklist:

1) How would you prefer to purchase the light?
From a UK supplier (online or in person, not fussed provided they're an official distributor), most places sell the same brands you can get in the US

2) Budget: An easy question, but you may change your mind after answering the rest! :-)
up to £100 / $160

3) Format:
I want a flashlight (hand held/self contained).
4) Size:
around 15.24cm / 6" in length (pref shorter)
body diameter cannot exceed 3.2cm / 1 17⁄64in due to fitting in my stab vest holder
no restriction on head or cap size

5) Emitter/Light source:
LED
6) Manufacturer:
I want to buy a light from a large/traditional manufacturer that is ready to go out of the box. Would like some sort of guarantee period.
7) What power source do you want to use?
I don't know/I need more information on power sources.

7a) If you have selected a rechargeable option
Not sure due to previous answer

8) How much genuine out the front (OTF) light do you want/need? Sometimes you can have too much light (trying to read up close up with a 100 lumen light is not a happy experience).
I need something that will do both the distance and the close up stuff, forgive me if I ask for too much.

Basically I need something that is dim enough to be able to write in a pocket notebook held at approx 38cm / 15" away from me so as not to burn mine or members of the publics eyes whilst at the same time having something that can reach a substantial distance to see if people are laying down in a field or running away into the distance, hence a Turbo mode may be needed for these short and not so frequent instances
9) Flood vs Throw: Flood covers an area, Throw reaches out to a distance.
All Flood: I am doing "arms length" tasks like reading and campsite cooking.
Narrow Throw: I want a beam with a very tight "hot center" and minimal "side-spill". Good for distance viewing, fog, and looking through dense undergrowth.
Turbohead: I want a far-distance projector with a sharply focused spot of light and minimal or zero side-spill. Good for extreme distance and impressing your friends.
Can I get something that might adequately cover all three?
9a) Distance: How far away will you typically need to see with this light (check all that apply)
Definitely looking for something that will do less than 1 yard/meter (reading, other close work) on a dim setting and can jump to 150m / 164yd ad beyond for the odd occasion of searching for people. There needs to be something in between for when searching buildings as well

10) Runtime: Not over-inflated manufacturer runtime claims, but usable brightness measured from first activation to 50% with new batteries (Measured on maximum continuous output).
Up to 30 minutes (I want the brightest [and potentially smallest] light for brief periods)
30-60 minutes (I have plenty of batteries just ready to be changed)
Either of the above two for the turbo type scenarios but for the low level stuff I'd expect to last a lot longer. I'll have replacement batteries in my duty bag in the car also

11) Durability/Usage: Generally the old phrase “you get what you pay for” is very accurate for flashlights.
Critical (Police, Fire, Search & Rescue, Caving, Survival).
It's got to survive fighting and the splash of rain. It won't be exposed to underwater scenarios though, but it's a bonus if I drop it down the toilet.

12) Switch Size, Type, and location (choose all that apply):
I don’t know. However, I like the idea of multiple activation points that go to different modes, i.e twist end cap for defence and electronic switch for momentary and constant on mode

13) User Interface (UI) and mode selection. Select all that apply.
I want a programmable light
I want a selector ring.
I want a strobe mode. (Oscillating pattern to confuse/blind aka "Police Mode")
I want SOS mode. (blinks in ---...--- emergency pattern)
I want a beacon mode. (Regular flashes at full power to show location.)
A mixture of any of these is desirable, the low light mode, defence and turbo/spot light are essential though.

14)Material/Finish/Coating
I don’t care. But preferably black or dark coloured

15) Water resistance
IPX4 (Splash resistant)
IPX7 (Waterproof to 1 meter/30min)
Either of the above.

16) Storage conditions
In house (temperature/climate controlled environment)
Emergency kit (long standby periods)
17) Special Needs/extras: Is there anything else you want or need that hasn't been mentioned? Select any/all below.
Other than my dimensions detailed above I can't think of any.
 
I started off looking at a Lenser P7.2, I already have a T7 and an L5 so thought I couldn't go wrong until I started reading reviews on here and got the feeling Lensers aren't that highly rated. Then I looked at the Fenix PD35 which for slightly more than a P7.2 packs more of a punch but then I saw the Eagletec TX25C2 which seems to outdo both, so now I don't know where to go from here. Any advice would be welcome.
 
WOW...for your stated budget there are a lot of choices that will suit your needs.

I think you should look at something that uses an 18650 Li Ion battery. Which means you will need to buy a few batteries and a charger. But it is well worth the trouble and you will get great performance. For what you specified I would guess you need a low setting of around 10 to 15 lumens and on the high side 500 or better. one or two modes between the high and low would be good. For your strobe mode i would recommend you look for what is called a "hidden" mode. That simply means you will not be stepping through the strobe mode just to turn the light off or switch modes.

You mentioned a Fenix PD35. I think that would be a very good choice. You can get one of those and a set of 18650s with a charger for your specified budget, maybe less.
 
I've just retired from the Job and I would recommend the Surefire P2X Fury, it has 15 lumen low mode for checking documents etc and 500 lumen high which is superb.

I bored mine out with sandpaper on a drill bit so it will accept a 18650 battery, works fine and lasts longer than 2 x CR123's.

As a serving Police Officer you can buy direct from the UK importer at a discount, however I found it cheaper to buy from the USA and pay the import duty.

My bored P2X below.

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An alternative to vest mounted carry below is the ESP LHU-14-37

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This is my duty light. I carry it no matter if its day shift or night shift. It's a Solarforce P1 with a custom drop-in contained in a Surefire V70 holster.

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All these guys no what there taking about and all look like good options, as you can see some of our members are or have also been in active service of some kind and know what they are talking about the only things I could think of is reinforce that it is defiantly worth going 18650 lions.

I also second the PD35 (I don't own one but am pretty sure I'm going to get one for general EDC)

I'm not sure if it would be quite right but many also the TK22 SE version, as it has a spikey bezel for self defence, although its not as bright and is bigger as it has a large head compedered to the stream lined PD35.

Also being in the police I'd imagine you might not need the bezel on the TK22SE as you have multpal other means of defence (I'm asumeing such as tazers/and your own training)

I think what ever you get, if its one of these options mentioned in the above posts it will serves you well and certenly better than a P7.

Also Plus one on the strobe being a hidden mode as you don't want to keep having to switch though it.

So I can only really aggre with the excellent advice that has already been given by those above me.
 
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@ Dave D .... I like it... That body looks a lot like the older Stratum Body. I took my Stratum apart like that and bored it out for 18650s as well.

Me is thinking that is the way the OP should go too.
 
Evening all from the UK! Great forum you have here, glad I found you in time as it appears I could have made a very ill informed purchase. Please can you recommend me a torch I can use in my day, please see below completed checklist:

<BIG SNIP>y.

Mikester,
I would like to suggest that you read through this thread if you haven't already.
There are so many considerations discussed for law enforcement.

[h=2]Police Study of tactical use of Strobe[/h]

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?356772-Police-Study-of-tactical-use-of-Strobe
 
Thanks for all your responses.

The fury looks great but sadly over budget for me.



Poppy I will read now, thank you
 
Hey Dave D, I've got a little duty light I'd like to try boring. What grit/type of paper did you use, and how did you attach it to the drill bit?

I wanted to have my SureFire P2X Fury bored so I could use the 18650 rechargeable batteries but I couldn't wait the months that it takes for those that offer the service to get enough customers together to make it worth their while.

I searched CPF and youtube and discovered that a member had bored a 6P using sand paper taped (with Duct Tape) to a bar in a power drill.

I did the same, it took me an evening (which was longer than I expected) starting with 60 grade paper, it would have be quicker starting with 40 grade. I finished it off when the bore was large enough to accept my Nitecore 3100mAh battery with 400 and then 1200 grade Wet 'n' Dry paper, with a bit of washing up liquid in the water, to achieve a polished finish.

Very easy to do and only cost me the price of the sandpaper.
 
Thanks for that mate. I intend to have a chop at boring out my Elzetta, so I'll have a check of youtube and see how I go.
I wanted to have my SureFire P2X Fury bored so I could use the 18650 rechargeable batteries but I couldn't wait the months that it takes for those that offer the service to get enough customers together to make it worth their while.

I searched CPF and youtube and discovered that a member had bored a 6P using sand paper taped (with Duct Tape) to a bar in a power drill.

I did the same, it took me an evening (which was longer than I expected) starting with 60 grade paper, it would have be quicker starting with 40 grade. I finished it off when the bore was large enough to accept my Nitecore 3100mAh battery with 400 and then 1200 grade Wet 'n' Dry paper, with a bit of washing up liquid in the water, to achieve a polished finish.

Very easy to do and only cost me the price of the sandpaper.
 
They have been sold on eBay by UK sellers for between £55 - £65, worth keeping an eye on.

i've been burnt buying branded torches on ebay before with them being very good counterfeits but it's obvious when you compare the output to items bought from recognised distributors.
 
now thinking about the olight m22 warrior, it seems to be reviewed well on here. Should I be concerned over quality with it being a product of China? Anyone use this operationally?
 
now thinking about the olight m22 warrior, it seems to be reviewed well on here. Should I be concerned over quality with it being a product of China? Anyone use this operationally?

I've no experience of the M22, you may want to consider the Klarus XT10 or XT11 which is becoming popular in the UK with AFO's.

They are available in the UK from reputable dealers and have now been upgraded to 820 lumens, although you'll want to loose the strike bezel.
 
If you really want one of those P2X Furys, a USA dealer here called "Brightguy" has them for 118.50 USD. Which is well within your stated budget. That dealer has a very good reputation and I have dealt with him on several occasions. Highly recommended.

I'm not allowed to post links, but if the address is not already obvious, then there is google.
 
If you really want one of those P2X Furys, a USA dealer here called "Brightguy" has them for 118.50 USD. Which is well within your stated budget. That dealer has a very good reputation and I have dealt with him on several occasions. Highly recommended.

I'm not allowed to post links, but if the address is not already obvious, then there is google.

The only problem is authorized Surefire dealers are bound by agreement not to ship outside USA per international Surefire dealer agreements.

But graymarket Ebay vendors are happy to ship anywhere with nice pricing too.
 
It's not just sales/marketing agreements. I'm not sure that indviduals/private parties are bound by ITAR agreements, but they might be.

Something to look into, just because...
 
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