Ansmann 2850 AA Cells Performance Results!

[MarioJP]

Was kind of tricky to get a measurement on the cells but I was able too.

The 1.8A draw is from the cells themselves not the 5V usb. In the tech specs it says that the usb is pushing 5V at 800mA to the cellphone. Depending on type of phone. If a smartphone let say requires 700mA like what my blackberry AC adapter says 5V 700mA.


This mobile USB charger pushes 800mA to the phone. The AA cells are going to be working hard to not only maintain the booster at a 5v output but also at a constant 800mA too. The Up Voltage booster is really putting a heavy strain on the AA cells. Sometimes the booster would make a pitching noise but very faint.

In the specs it says you can use 2AA or 4AA. Would highly recommend to use all 4. Using only 2 cells is going to be brutal for them. Its already a heavy draw with 4 already, imagine only using 2AA lol.

The bold 9700 ruined my Ansmann cells. The draw was just too high lol. My old blackberry curve only needed 5v at 500mAh. In fact the mobile USB charger would not only top off the curve. I would still have leftover charge to spare on the ansmann cells for another round before I have to put them in the charger. Would have to discharge the remaining charge if I decide to charge the AA cells.

Bold in the other hand can't even top it off though close to fully charged. Cells in the charger are fully discharged. In fact I do not need to discharge the AA cells anymore before charging lol.


These up voltage boosters needs to be better of its efficiency and less strain on the AA cells. Should be a mobile charger with a quad booster that uses 8AA cells. That way each booster gets its own pair of cells. Then have all 4 boosters in parallel to avoid heavy strain on the poor AA cells. Eneloops would be perfect for this task. As it stand this mobile charger has 2 boosters. Great concept but need more boosters.

 

[tinydancer]

I know this is an older thread, but I have been researching rechargeable AA batteries in expectation of purchasing a new digital camera for a trip to Africa.

I have been looking at these Ansmann 2850.

Then someone in a camera shop suggested that Ansmann got the technology from Sanyo and recommended that I get eneloop batteries instead.

I want to get two sets and a charger to take to Africa and depend on.

Do you now have any further opinions on these batteries, and what would you recommend getting?

I'd use them in the new Fuji FinePix HS-10.

 

[Egsise]

Any LSD batteries will do, stay away from batteries that are over 2100mAh.
Any LSD batteries are good in normal use, just get what are the cheapest and easiest to get.

LSD batteries that are known to be ok:
RayOVAC Hybrid
Sanyo Eneloop
GP ReCYko+
Panasonic Infinium

Rebranded LSD:
Duracell Precharged
Kodak Precharged
Sony Cycle Energy Blue(green is not LSD)
Ansmann max-e(golden e, green e is not LSD)
GSYuasa Enitime
Varta Ready2Go

 

[tinydancer]

thank you!

Don't think I'm dumb (although I am finding this topic very over my head!) I guess that I should stay away from these?:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._5035092_AA_2850mAh_Rechargeable.html#reviews

 

[McAllan]

Add Uniross Hybrio to the rebranded ones. At least some of them. Have some 1 or 2 years old which are exactly eneloops except the wrapping. But have read of other who have gotten some other cells. Without positively knowing it I could suspect those to be GP cells as I'm almost sure Uniross have re-branded GP cells in the past.

I believe most of the LSD cells are fine. As long as they in fact are LSD types. Not something counterfeit false or totally unknown cheaply off eBay.

I have a pair of Ansmann AAA LSD on the way. Looking forward to see how they perform. But wouldn't surprise me if they're just fine at or almost on par with eneloops and recykos. They were at least cheaper than the "original" ones. Usually their camera batteries are pretty good in contrast to the cheaper ones no name ones.

Also saw that Ansmann has come out with 2500 mAh AA LSD. For a minute I thought about trying those and replacing some of my worn (although not dead) cells with those but didn't. Would have been interesting to see how they performed because all other manufacturers (which I know of) only rates them 2000 or 2100 mAh depending on their rating policy so in fact they're most pretty much comparable.

 

[Egsise]

Actually Ansmann 2500 max-e is not the same as Ansmann 2000mAh max-e, there is a difference in the label color so i would guess that the chemistry is not the same.
LSD? Not likely.

 

[McAllan]

Actually Ansmann 2500 max-e is not the same as Ansmann 2000mAh max-e, there is a difference in the label color so i would guess that the chemistry is not the same.

The color of the label decides the chemistry:crackup:
However I recall that the difference between ordinary NiMH and the LSD types are not the chemistry but the separator between the plates.

LSD? Not likely.

Oh yes as your own pictures are about to show ;)

"Forgeladener Akku!" -> Precharged accu.
"Nach jeder Ladung über 1 Jahr einsetzbereit" -> After each charge ready to use after 1 year.

"Vorgeladen" -> Precharged
It even says "more than 1 year standby" in English :thumbsup:

 

[McAllan]

Btw. If interested - have a look at the Ansmann website to see for yourself.

 

[MarioJP]

So why now are we seeing LSD cells at 2500mAH. I thought these cells can't go higher than 2000mAh. Are these in fact LSD cells?. How well do they perform?

 

[McAllan]

So why now are we seeing LSD cells at 2500mAH. I thought these cells can't go higher than 2000mAh. Are these in fact LSD cells?. How well do they perform?

Yes they are LSD according to manufacturer. How well they perform I don't know. Was about to try some but didn't feel like spending unnecessary money at the moment.

Btw. Seems like lower capacities have got a new label more like the higher capacity ones.

Perhaps they do have a bit higher self discharge than the ~2 Ah ones. But if they can sit unused on a shelf for 1 year and still have even half the capacity left they're still LSD. Ordinary NiMH would be not just about empty but totally empty and needing exercise/break in to gain capacity too.

Can't find what they state charge maintainability to be but should surprise me if they're lower than 70-75 % after one year. Although I do not expect them to be quite up to the normally 80 %.

 

[Egsise]

The color of the label decides the chemistry:crackup:
However I recall that the difference between ordinary NiMH and the LSD types are not the chemistry but the separator between the plates.
"Vorgeladen" -> Precharged
It even says "more than 1 year standby" in English :thumbsup:

No the color of the label does not mean that the chemistry is different, that was my personal guess.
If Sanyo would suddenly change the wrapper and capacity of Eneloops, would we think it is still the same high performing Eneloop that we all know? :crackup:

Yes they are LSD according to manufacturer. How well they perform I don't know. Was about to try some but didn't feel like spending unnecessary money at the moment.

Btw. Seems like lower capacities have got a new label more like the higher capacity ones.

Perhaps they do have a bit higher self discharge than the ~2 Ah ones. But if they can sit unused on a shelf for 1 year and still have even half the capacity left they're still LSD. Ordinary NiMH would be not just about empty but totally empty and needing exercise/break in to gain capacity too.

Can't find what they state charge maintainability to be but should surprise me if they're lower than 70-75 % after one year. Although I do not expect them to be quite up to the normally 80 %.

50% charge after year is still LSD, now thats just cheating?
Why don't you buy some Ansmann 2850mAh AA's, do some tests and decide how trustworthy Ansmann marketing claims are.
Or you can save your money and read this thread from the beginning. :crackup:

Oh and Ansmann does not have a LSD cell manufacturing facility, I guess they use cells manufactured by GSYuasa.
And that is again just my guess based on performance comparison and similarities on size, positive and negative ends between GSYuasa Enitime and Ansmann max-e.
Check the test in my signature.

 

[vali]

I got some AAA LSD cells claiming 900 mAh from another brand. Guess what? they deliver 750 mAh without big differences between charges or samples.

Seems to me the marketing guys are fooling people again.

 

[McAllan]

If Sanyo would suddenly change the wrapper and capacity of Eneloops, would we think it is still the same high performing Eneloop that we all know? :crackup:

Of course they will change the wrapper if they too come out with a higher capacity to differentiate it. For some time they will continue to market the older type.
Also it is permitted to update their design. Nothing in this world is static ;)

50% charge after year is still LSD, now thats just cheating?

Depends on your view. This was just some guesses and speculations from my side. But as I said even though would be way better than non LSD types.

Why don't you buy some Ansmann 2850mAh AA's, do some tests and decide how trustworthy Ansmann marketing claims are.
Or you can save your money and read this thread from the beginning. :crackup:

It doesn't matter whether what company states that 2850 mAh capacity. That can only be reached when cells are new and under certain conditions. No matter if it is Uniross, GP, Panasonic or Sanyo or whatever with the current technology.

Oh and Ansmann does not have a LSD cell manufacturing facility, I guess they use cells manufactured by GSYuasa.
And that is again just my guess based on performance comparison and similarities on size, positive and negative ends between GSYuasa Enitime and Ansmann max-e.
Check the test in my signature.

And so? Neither do many of the other battery companies and some only manufacture some of their cells. Could also look a bit like GP. If done on only one or two cell of each that could just be minor variances so we would no know for sure. Fine with me - I don't use my lights in -22 C ;)
Besides Ansmann is like Uniross. They buy the cells from others and not necessarily from the same manufacturer(s) all the time. Is it a bad thing?
Lets take Uniross as an example again. My version of their Hybrios look and perform just like Eneloops except their wrapping. However some cells I've got from them before (ordinary NiMH) looked just like GP. They were labelled 1300 mAh but most of them reached 1500 mAh(!) without trouble on the Conrad Charge Manager 2010 (previous version of Voltcraft Charge Manager). Even after 6-8 years (I don't remember now) when I throwed them out in favor of 2 Ah LSD types they were still able to corner the 1300 mAh mark. And they were cheap too. That's an example of some cells that have impressed me.

Wouldn't surprise me if maxE+ only make 2400 mAh on the Charge Manager (or C9000 at the other side of the Atlantic - although I have a C9000 also but I do consider the CM to be a tad better). But 2.4 Ah imho would be nice anyway. As long as their charge retention is still near of those of lower capacities. Even with ordinary NiMH those with lower capacities hold their charge better - no magic here. The 1300 mAh did hold their charge way better than some 2300 og 2700 mAh types I also have. Or my 7 Ah D size. Not much capacity compared by todays standard but self discharge isn't too bad. Have thought of replacing them with 8-9 Ah LSD types though of pure convenience.

 

[Bones]

Something to keep in mind when considering whether to purchase higher-capacity NiMH cells in lieu of the lower capacity, low self-discharge variety:

Energizer, the owners of the best selling brand of NiMH cells in the world, decided to drop their 2500mAh cell in favor of a 2450mAh version, and then decided to drop it in favor of the 2300mAh regular-chemistry cell which they're currently marketing as their flagship rechargeable.

Considering their typical in-store pricing, I don't think these decisions were driven by cost...

 

[Egsise]

And so? Neither do many of the other battery companies and some only manufacture some of their cells. Could also look a bit like GP. If done on only one or two cell of each that could just be minor variances so we would no know for sure. Fine with me - I don't use my lights in -22 C ;)

Well if there would be 2500mAh LSD cells Ansmann would not be the only one selling them, doh.

There's variance on the cells?
On performance perhaps, but physically the cells look a lot like each other, even in -22°C. :D

 

[McAllan]

Well if there would be 2500mAh LSD cells Ansmann would not be the only one selling them, doh.

Why don't you at least do a little "Googeling" before you come out with such statement

Then you'd end up with this one pretty easily.
Seems like it is probably a GS Yuasa. I don't know their NiMH but their SLA are fine. If you're so wise you could probably direct me to a test which shows long term stability/reliability of the GS Yuasa cells? And you'll probably argue about the inferior performance at -22 C. As said I and probably many other will never use our lights in -22 C (-7.6 F) and as such extreme low temperature performance does rank very low compared to other factors.

Just for reference. Here's the 2500 mAh LSD Ansmann from a distibutor I believe at least previously had a high recommendation here (or was in on steves digicams?)
Anyway click here.

 

[Egsise]

Ansmann max-e or GSYuasa Enitime, same product so what?
The problem is, GSYuasa is not very well known for their AA LSD cells, either is Ansmann, finding long term results might be difficult.
And because both are not well known, or sold as cheap or widely as RayOVac Hybrids or Sanyo Eneloops why even bother to test them..

I understand that -22°C is rare for most people.
Maybe you want to test in which temperature the different brand cells start to show differences?
It could be just 0°C so it would be nice to know....average temperature in Denmark from december to march is only around +2°C right?

Or just buy the Eneloops or Hybrids that perform well also at cold, the price is the same as with the other brands so why bother gambling?

I prefer to buy cells from http://eu.nkon.nl/ or http://batterycity.eu/ easier and faster than from overseas.

 

[McAllan]

I prefer to buy cells from http://eu.nkon.nl/ or http://batterycity.eu/ easier and faster than from overseas.

BatteryCity is also my preferred battery dealer as they have a large selection and good prices for many cell sizes. Although I prefer using their danish site. It was there I first saw the Ansmann 2500 mAh LSD.

Thanks for the nkon link. I might order something from there sometime. I don't order much overseas either. Too expensive when everything is calculated. Not so much of shipping in many cases but also because of tax & duty (mostly not worth mention duty as it's very small in most cases) but also because of the "tax & duty calculation"-fee to the carrier. If not the national postal service (USPS in USA, PostDanmark in Denmark and so on) the fee can be quite prohibitive - the national postal's fee is expensive enough as it is. And then many companies tends to only ship with UPS or FexEx - means a very heavy "tax & duty calculation"-fee. Tax and duty and fees can easily be as much as the item and shipping itself :sigh:

 

[vali]

And because both are not well known, or sold as cheap or widely as RayOVac Hybrids or Sanyo Eneloops why even bother to test them..

I did! Or more correctly, I am doing! Check my sig.

The ones I am testing are AAA and are advertised as 750 mAh. With a C9000 I got around 750 mAh in all of them. So, for those cells, the claimed capacity is correct.

Are the capacity of the 2500 cells 2500 mAh? I dont know. I can think of 3 different options:

- Around 2100 mAh like the highest capacity LSD cells available from other brands, but claiming a false and overestimated capacity.

- A "new type" of NiMH that have higher self discharge to get more capacity. But according my test Yuasa's LSD already self discharge faster than other brands...

- Real 2500 mAh LSD, which I really doubt about it (but it is a possibility).