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There are pros and cons to either. I own both and pick either depending on the task at hand. Although RCR123 is my preference. Its nominal voltage is closer (or slightly greater than) the Vf of most emitters. That generally yields more Lumens OTF. Its not uncommon for RCR123 lights to reach over 150L. I supplement the shorter run times with backup cells in my belt pack. I find it easier to EDC a small RCR123 light and a backup cell in my pack than a single larger 1AA light.

If you are after MAX lumens from a pocketable tool... 1AA is not going to push an MCE, P7 or M30.
 
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41 posts so far, and not a single one of you thought to report that it was in the wrong section? Good grief! :shakehead

Moving it to Batteries...
 
I have never used CR123A lights. The 2 for $19.99 price for the batteries stopped me from getting started.
If I need more light than my AAA/AA lights, I reach for my 3C P7 Mag.
 
Outside of the USA 123 are simply prohibitive expensive. And it looks like that for us foreigner ordering in the US and shipping will be soon not an option anymore (the Li panic in the airplanes...).
So, despite all the benefits :(
 
For simple, everyday flashlight useage, I am also leaning towards AA lights, for the simple and already stated reason of ease of availability. Even if you didn't have any new cells around, you could easily scrounge a few from wall clocks, tv remotes and childrens toys. For specific or occasional need of a powerful light, then a multi 123 light may be better. But, as flashaholics, we're not gonna settle for one type of light or batteries !
 
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Another plus for AA's is that they tend to be cheaper. CR123's are usually not cheap when bought in brick and mortar stores.

Just a quick search reveals you can get a Panasonic CR123 from here - http://www.battery-force.co.uk - for $3.23. For $3.06 from the same place you can get a pack of 10 AA Panasonic alkalines.

Let's be realistic here. 123's are readily available for a dollar or less each on the web. It would be silly to buy a 123 cell at a brick and mortar store at this point. As I have had a few failures with L91/92's I have sworn off them. Eveready is trash, period.

LSD NiMH for AA and AAA size with the option of using alkies in an emergency, and 123's for everything else when energy density and compactness is a priority
 
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Not that easy if you live in some countries. A lot of cheap and free-shipping battery online stores only deliver to US or add shipping costs to international purchases.

Unless you buy them in places like DX (usually crappy or faked cells) there is not real cheap places where to get cheap CR123, eneloops, E92, etc here. At least I didnt found them. I will be very grateful if you can list some online stores with cheap batteries and free/cheap delivery to Spain. Buying large amounts to lower the shipping for each cell is not an option.
 
Sorry to hear they're (CR123's) still hard to obtain in some other countries.
 
Buying large amounts to lower the shipping for each cell is not an option.

In some cases, that's a bad option to leave out. Some vendors have a flat shipping rate, regardless of the size of the order. If you could take advantage of buying in larger quantities, it could take some of the "sting" out of the purchase. With lithium cells that have a 10-15 year shelf life, there's no disadvantage to stocking up.

Anyone prefer AA over 123

I can't say I have a preference for one over the other. CR123's have more Wh in a smaller size, so are capable of powering smaller lights, with equivalent output and runtime. AA lithium's are somewhat easier to obtain. I don't use alkalines, so their availability would only be useful when lithium's couldn't be found. Actually I only use one CR123 and two L91's. I'm 95% Li-Ion and NiMH.:)

On the rechargeable side, AA's are a bit more practical, but RCR123's still have the advantage of being able to power smaller lights. That said, my AA NiMH's outnumber my RCR123's by about 4 to 1. I guess you could say I prefer the AA's, but not really. Also, I use AA's in other devices besides lights.

Dave
 
as I have previously stated more than once, RCR Li-Ion cells simply do not survive the "institutionalization" problem. "Institutionalization" means adapting flashaholic lights to a non-flashaholic work-a-day world. What will easily survive the normal consumer/use are primarily AA cells, or maybe AAA or maybe C and D cells. or maybe the non-rechargeable Lithium cells for police/military and firefighters. Who are we talking about? Plumbers, building maintenance personnel, mechanics, teachers, etc.etc.etc. This is most definitely NOT flashaholic territory where afficiondos and enthusiasts will willingly spend lots of $$ and time for an edge in light output or small size or some other esoteric feature (HID vs LED vs Quad-LED).

I have tried to educate many different people in many different user environments and reduce the flashlight and battery complexity for them - all attempts have eventually failed and the people went back to something that did not require any gung-ho techno-geek to tell them what to do. They all like the smaller size and greater brightness from an RCR flashlight system....until they run in to the charging and multiple cell problems of RCR cells. They do not easily manage the problem of matching the RCR cell and charger. and then there is the problem of an "emergency" battery replacement when they are away from their specialized charger and they have to purchase a replacement Lithium cell or 2 in brick/mortar stores - ehhhhhh, that nonsense ceases very quickly! The final incentive killer is an protected RCR cell that cuts off the current when the cell voltage drops too low for safety. Try explaining that to a plumber who lost his light 20 feet into a narrow crawl space. Let that happen more than once and they will drop the idea of RCR Li-Ion cells instantly. Graceful degradation to any flashlight system is important. a more engineering word is "robustness".

Bottom line: I have progressively pulled back or exchanged all RCR Li-Ion cells and flashlights from over a dozen typical users, even those that do understand the nominal needs of RCR Li-Ion cells. Nearly all of the flashlights left in the hands of non-flashaholics are stuffed with non-rechargeable Lithium cells. and as those fail, and they do fail, I am replacing them with AA or possibly AAA flashlights with Ni-MH LSD cells.

Also, FWIW, I really have to admit that the LSD NiMH cells solved a major problem - self discharge. Now users are asking for more LSD cells for their digital cameras - they can rely on adequate charge left after sitting on the shelf for a couple months and still have a standardized rechargeable battery. Even Nikon brought out the L20 with standard AA cells although their high-end digital cameras require too much power density for the small size and they switched to non-standard Li-Ion battery packs.

as for protected RCR cells, here is a good example of a problem: an EagleTac flashlight lost it's reverse-polarity bumpers - as usual. The problem was that a loose bumper bridged to cause a short in the head of the light. The protective circuit in the AW RCR123 cell sacrificed itself to protect the user. However explaining the idea of "protected" Li-Ion RCR123 cells and why the protection is needed was not easy. another case of back to AA cells. 'nuff said.

signed - an old engineer who has lost too many technology battles....
 
LSD cells solve a lot of problems for many users. The other half of that equation, however, still is largely unsolved for the general population. A good charger that is affordable, easy to use, and treats NiMH cells properly so as to maximize both their utility and life cycle.

Some day maybe we will see the proliferation of good chargers, but for the general public, most of what they can easily see and obtain is trash. Too bad, because it holds the whole progress, commerce, and viability of reusable cells back from ultimate success.
 
I find that most AA lights are significantly bigger that 123 lights. Take for example the quarks. The AA quark is much longer than the 123 version but only the middle tube is somewhat smaller, with maybe 50% more volume.

I would say that Quarks are a bad example. The reason is that Quarks are designed to be "legoed". This means that the head and the tail have to be large enough to accommodate the width of the CR123 or 16340, and not slimmed down to the dimensions of the AA cell.

I would say that the Quark MiNi 123 compared to the MiNi AA would be a better example, because each light was designed to be as small as possible based on a specific cell dimension.
 
Li-ion is just too dangerous for the average user. People tend to get a flashligth, stick a couple of cells inside, put it in a drawer and forgot about it until the next blackout. Charging means "stick the cells in the charger until I need them" and so on...

Sometimes I come across forums that keep recommending 18650 and P7 because anything lower is just "too dim" and 2xAA format is just useless, but they never warn about lithium dangers. In fact they usually think li-ion is like Ni-MH but more powerfull.
 
AA only for me....except for my 1 18650, 1 N cell, 1 LR44, 4 AAA's and 2 Maglite Rebels 3 D cells that I just picked up at Lowes.......Do'h!:sick2:
 
Yes, AA's (eneloops) last 50 times longer and don't catch fire or explode.
 
As a rule of thumb, I don't want a flashlight that I can't feed using easily obtainable cells (like from a grocery store). I use 14500s in all my AA lights, but I like the fact that I can use a regular AA cell if the need arises.

The only power source that is compelling enough for me to break that rule is the 18650. I own three 18650 lights and will likely purchase more in the future, but even when carrying an 18650 light, I always have a AA or AAA light with me.

I do have a 2x123 light mounted to my Glock, but that's a special case.

--flatline
 
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