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flashlight said:
I've also gone off Maxtors after a no. of failures.

Yep, I got stung too often by their quality control problems in the past few years. I still have one drive that works perfectly. At the time I bought it, it was the coolest and quietest drive I had. So I bought another just like it. The second one would heat up to 150 ºF (66 ºC) whenever I defragged or formatted. It died in less than a year.

That was the last straw. My latest WD is now the coolest and quietest I have, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is the coolest and quietest you can buy.
 
I've been through lots of different backup strategies in the past. I relied on tapes for my home computer for a long time. About 5 years ago I switched jobs and have control over my computer at work now, so I have duplicated a lot of my stuff on both computers. I've also burned a lot of CD's, plus I still have my old tapes and zip disks.

The guy that built our work computers set them up with mirrored drives, so everything I save is automatically "backed up" onto a second hard drive. I recently reworked my home computer and took a different approach to managing the drives. I installed a pair of WD 250G drives, with a small partition for the OS and a couple of bigger partitions for data. Then I will make full copies from the first drive onto the second drive. I will make an image copy of the OS partition, but I will just use XCOPY for the data partitions.

Now that I'm saving digital images, I copy from the memory card to the hard drive, but I won't take them off of the memory card until I have copied them to a CD. So those files are automatically in 2 or 3 places at the same time.

For the average user, I think mirrored drives make a lot of sense. That way you get your data duplicated automatically, with no action required by the user. If a drive fails, you can install another drive and the drive controller will automatically build the data onto the new drive. You don't even have to reinstall or reconfigure anything. This does require hardware beyond what the average store sells though. I'm still running this way at work but I decided to try something different at home so my home hardware would stay more generic.

Another solution for the average user is the external drive, if they will automate their backups to occur frequently enough. I didn't want to do this myself because I wanted all the hardware to be in the same case. A separate drive helps in the case of theft though because it can be hidden on site or off site.

The best thing for someone to do is to have some form of backup strategy, and do it regularly. Don't put it off and don't ignore it. If you really want to be safe then have multiple forms of backup.
 
bjn70 said:
Now that I'm saving digital images, I copy from the memory card to the hard drive, but I won't take them off of the memory card until I have copied them to a CD. So those files are automatically in 2 or 3 places at the same time.

HeHe, me too. If I should lose just one of those stupid pictures I took, my life would be ruined :) And then I forget to delete them from the camera flash memory, but sooner or later I notice and delete them.

This strategy is particularly important when backing up a hard drive folder to another drive. If there is already a backup folder on the second drive, I leave it there and make a new folder. Actually I rename the existing folder to something like "backup_old" before I do the copy operation.

Every hard drive will die sometime, and it could well die during a copy operation, especially when you are copying large folders. It's happened before and it will happen again. I have so many backups, it would take a direct hit from an ICBM to get them all.
 
Thanks everybody. I have CDs with files I backed-up from Y2k. Several are no longer readable, especially the ones with cracks radiating from the center hole. :D I bought a utility once called Casper-the friendly ghost which was supposed to run in Windows. I suceeded in mirroring my main HDD once, and after a WD drive failure was able to move onto it! At this point, I seek an external, idiot-resistant 1394/USB2 backup solution. Mirroring the main drive appeals to me as it includes all the purchased software which can be a hassle if bought on line and you can't find the email with the license agreement, and didn't have the brains to print a hardcopy. (I've only pulled that one once!)

Larry
 
Here's What I Do

Larry,

Your experience with CDs is the reason I don't use them to archive pictures. I even bought the "good" ones (Mitsui gold) but I just can't chance it. I'm also with you as far as reinstalling software goes. I just don't want to do it, and in many cases it would be at best difficult to locate unlock keys. I'll tell you what I'm doing now for backups as well as what I will be doing shortly.

First of all, I've got a lot of pictures, particularly size wise. I've been playing around with RAW. One of my cameras lets me shoot RAW plus JPEG, so I can really eat up the MB in a hurry. I'm also bad about not deleting pictures. Bottom line is that, as best I recall, I've got about 45GB of pictures on my hard disk at home. My current backup strategy fails if there is a fire. I've basically got my pictures on three drives, my C:\ drive, a second internal drive, and an external drive. I use Acronis True Image (v8?) to automatically do full and incremental backups onto an external drive. Right now I'm doing 2 full and 5 incrementals weekly. This will shortly change (for reasons below) to one full and six incremental. This (knock on wood) will protect me from catastrophic disk failure. I've already used it when something went wonky with my C:\ drive several months ago, so I know that restore works fine. I also use XCOPY and the Windows Task Manager to daily automatically copy my pictures to a second internal drive. I just recently started using the /a switch with XCOPY (along with the switches already used), so only those files and folders that have been changed (or are new) are copied. After that copy is done, those same files are copied from the second internal drive to my external drive. All of the picture copying occurs mid-morning while the backups happen during the night. Needless to say, I run everything 24x7 at home.

Since I'm still vulnerable to fire, I recently purchased a Fire King Media Vault. It is big enough to hold an external drive (if the external case isn't huge). The max internal temperature on the media safes is 125 degrees. I'm waiting for this to be delivered. When it is, I'll start rotating external drives. I've got a second one already. At that point I'll change the Acronis True Image to do a full backup and six incrementals. After the 6th incremental, I'll put that drive in the media vault and use the second drive for a week.

I've also decided that my following step will be to acquire a 3rd external drive. I'll then work out some rotation such that I've got one drive offsite (daughter, mother, or sister-in-law's house), one drive in the media vault, and the 3rd drive in use. My worst case scenario there would be to lose two weeks worth of pictures in the event of a something bad enough to also wipe out my media vault.

As long as we're talking about external drives, let me throw in my (admittedly limited) experiences there. I currently own three external drives (with the 3rd one at college with my son). In each case I bought the external cases and hard drives separately. The first case I bought had a fan, USB2, and firewire. Firewire in actual usage is supposed to be faster than USB2 (despite the specs to the contrary). I never could get the firewire to work right. Since speed wasn't a big issue on the backups, I decided to just go with USB2. No problems. Subsequent external cases have been strictly USB2. I've found that fans on cases can be noisy and cause annoying vibrations. The latest external case I purchased (just last month) is aluminum and fanless. So far so good with it. The last three drives I've purchased have been Seagate because of the 5 year warranties, but one of my external drives (as well as more that one internal drive) is Western Digital.

Mike
 
Re: Here's What I Do

alphamicro, how does the vault work? Won't a running drive get very hot if there's no ventilation inside? That's why it's always better to get external hard drive casings with built-in fans (unless you live in Alaska or the like I guess) although fanless drives are quieter.
 
Media Vault

Actually the FireKing Media Vault is like a small safe. Here's a link: http://www.fireking.com/products_records_data.html
It weighs almost 75 pounds, so I imagine once I decide where to put it I won't be moving it often (or ever). The drive isn't running when placed in the vault. When I've gotten a week's worth of backups (plus all of the pictures copied separately), I'll unplug the external drive and put it in the vault.

The external fanless case is my first. I'll have to decide before getting another drive and case whether to go fanless or not. Some of the hard drive coolers for internal drives are nothing more than a piece of metal to absorb & dissipate heat (although some incorporate fans). I noticed that many (I think most actually) of the all-in-one external drives (drive already in the case when sold) that I've looked at in retail stores don't have fans but rely on conductivity for cooling. I'm not sold on fanless enclosures, but I'm not writing them off either, at least not yet.
 
Re: Media Vault

I see. I'm a big fan of fanless casings actually (pardon the pun), that's one of the reasons I run a water-cooled PC - the quieter the better - but here in the tropics, although my CPU's around 45C, my HDD can run up to 55C & ambient temps can be around 36-38C some days. :sweat:
 
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