Bonfire 300 lumen headlamp by Bright Medic

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Is this a Chinese knockoff that this company is marking way up,or is this a genuine american company,with good build quality and a good headlamp as stated by the company,many reviews and its others have copied them?

I'm on mobile internet, so I'll take a brief look. It's often quite hard to tell who owns a company. The company that makes most of your car's filters had its main domestic factory sold sixteen times in the past two decades. Did you know?

Anyway, my point about baldly lying about product specs stands. If someone is willing to lie so poorly, where they're sure to be caught, who knows what else they are lying about? It's my opinion that stating misleading specifications is lying. If I claim that a flashlight I sell emits 1000 lumen, I'd better have measurements of this lamp performing as claimed, or at least reasonable models (IE, driven at xx amps (ww lumen) for yy minutes, with zz optical losses). If I am just citing the maximum rated output from Cree's datasheets, I am lying about my flashlight.

While I wait for much of their site to load, I'll talk through some questions I'd want answered here.

Something that's common with a new manufacturer (As opposed to cloneshops) is to have a distinct look across all their products. Witness Zebralight and Quark's debut lines: A true signature (Olive anodize, floody beam patterns, chunky fins, rounded and sleek, unified user interface common to all products), or (Semigloss black, good knurling, impressively unified modes) is a sign of a real company doing real design and development. Do we see this with the company? Common look, UI, design philosophy?

Another common thing is, who are the vendors? Zebralight sells their own kit and ships from a real address, and they have vendors. FourSevens has vendors in Atlanta for my part of the US, and so on. Solarforce has vendors - even though they're clearly not doing anything truly new, they do it well and for a good price. What vendors work with BrightMedic?

I look for branding. SunWayMan had some branding changes early on, but they have those hallmarks I mentioned: Branding, styling, vendors. The name may mean something to someone. What is the BrightMedic branding?

Style: I'm looking at the BrightMedic 'About Us' page. It's crap. Seriously, I've made up better flashlight drama to explain to a ten-year-old why I always have flashlights. Really, what EMS person doesn't have a flashlight, today? Even if it's a crap light, in their situation there are light switches. And I'm not sold on the utility of a focused aspheric for medical procedures, as they mention.

Vendors: Amazon, and themselves. But only for some products. That doesn't tell me much, but it also doesn't tell me anything very good. Warranty-wise, they give a 45-day moneyback guarantee, but I haven't found much beyond that (Aside from the mandatory US warranties which are tricky to enforce). Their legal paperwork is fairly put-together from what I can see.

Branding: Each of their products looks VERY MUCH like existing products. Each acts like a generic LED-from-hell light with high/Medium/annoying strobe. The only light that doesn't look like stuff from Two-Year-Ago-DealExtreme is the clone of a two-year-old headlamp, or another-****-HID-light cloned from HIDCountry and beyond. If they really are a manufacturer of quality, they're sure trying hard to hide it.

The product specs are... ugh. It'd be like a candy maker promising that chocolate helps children grow. Clearly-false product claims absolutely stand against the manufacturer. They indicate a lack of reliability, a shortage of honesty and passion for quality, and just tell me to spend money anywhere else. The brightest 1xAA flashlight can almost manage 200 lumens -- with no optical losses. Theirs may produce 100. If their claims are 200% bogus, why buy their gear?

I could continue, but it'll be more of the same.

Branding: None. There aren't even corporate colors or styles.
Vendors: Almost none. Even I can sell merch on Amazon. They do seem to ship from the US, but that says nothing about where the gear is made.
Style: None. They're clear copies of old copies.
Honesty: You've seen their specs. Ugh.


Edit: To summarize, their gear probably works. You can't help but get a usable amount of light out of LEDs these days. But I don't see anything that urges me to either believe any of their product claims OR to give them any money. An American shipping address does nothing to change my conviction that these are turned out a dime a dozen (And possibly of questionable legal origin) overseas. The product line isn't some brave inventor's brainchild. It's copies of copies that work, with lies papered over the middling real performance.
 
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I'm on mobile internet, so I'll take a brief look. It's often quite hard to tell who owns a company. The company that makes most of your car's filters had its main domestic factory sold sixteen times in the past two decades. Did you know?

Anyway, my point about baldly lying about product specs stands. If someone is willing to lie so poorly, where they're sure to be caught, who knows what else they are lying about? It's my opinion that stating misleading specifications is lying. If I claim that a flashlight I sell emits 1000 lumen, I'd better have measurements of this lamp performing as claimed, or at least reasonable models (IE, driven at xx amps (ww lumen) for yy minutes, with zz optical losses). If I am just citing the maximum rated output from Cree's datasheets, I am lying about my flashlight.

While I wait for much of their site to load, I'll talk through some questions I'd want answered here.

Something that's common with a new manufacturer (As opposed to cloneshops) is to have a distinct look across all their products. Witness Zebralight and Quark's debut lines: A true signature (Olive anodize, floody beam patterns, chunky fins, rounded and sleek, unified user interface common to all products), or (Semigloss black, good knurling, impressively unified modes) is a sign of a real company doing real design and development. Do we see this with the company? Common look, UI, design philosophy?

Another common thing is, who are the vendors? Zebralight sells their own kit and ships from a real address, and they have vendors. FourSevens has vendors in Atlanta for my part of the US, and so on. Solarforce has vendors - even though they're clearly not doing anything truly new, they do it well and for a good price. What vendors work with BrightMedic?

I look for branding. SunWayMan had some branding changes early on, but they have those hallmarks I mentioned: Branding, styling, vendors. The name may mean something to someone. What is the BrightMedic branding?

Style: I'm looking at the BrightMedic 'About Us' page. It's crap. Seriously, I've made up better flashlight drama to explain to a ten-year-old why I always have flashlights. Really, what EMS person doesn't have a flashlight, today? Even if it's a crap light, in their situation there are light switches. And I'm not sold on the utility of a focused aspheric for medical procedures, as they mention.

Vendors: Amazon, and themselves. But only for some products. That doesn't tell me much, but it also doesn't tell me anything very good. Warranty-wise, they give a 45-day moneyback guarantee, but I haven't found much beyond that (Aside from the mandatory US warranties which are tricky to enforce). Their legal paperwork is fairly put-together from what I can see.

Branding: Each of their products looks VERY MUCH like existing products. Each acts like a generic LED-from-hell light with high/Medium/annoying strobe. The only light that doesn't look like stuff from Two-Year-Ago-DealExtreme is the clone of a two-year-old headlamp, or another-****-HID-light cloned from HIDCountry and beyond. If they really are a manufacturer of quality, they're sure trying hard to hide it.

The product specs are... ugh. It'd be like a candy maker promising that chocolate helps children grow. Clearly-false product claims absolutely stand against the manufacturer. They indicate a lack of reliability, a shortage of honesty and passion for quality, and just tell me to spend money anywhere else. The brightest 1xAA flashlight can almost manage 200 lumens -- with no optical losses. Theirs may produce 100. If their claims are 200% bogus, why buy their gear?

I could continue, but it'll be more of the same.

Branding: None. There aren't even corporate colors or styles.
Vendors: Almost none. Even I can sell merch on Amazon. They do seem to ship from the US, but that says nothing about where the gear is made.
Style: None. They're clear copies of old copies.
Honesty: You've seen their specs. Ugh.


Edit: To summarize, their gear probably works. You can't help but get a usable amount of light out of LEDs these days. But I don't see anything that urges me to either believe any of their product claims OR to give them any money. An American shipping address does nothing to change my conviction that these are turned out a dime a dozen (And possibly of questionable legal origin) overseas. The product line isn't some brave inventor's brainchild. It's copies of copies that work, with lies papered over the middling real performance.
Excellent post and excellent summary.The company rep says he will respond to this thread,as I linked it to them directly so we SHOULD at least get a response from these guys.Ill give my impressions on it when I receive it in the next week or so and in the meantime I have a brand new black diamond cosmo headlamp and a dorcy metal gear 200 lumen flashlight to test out this evening :nana: Im going on a 3-4 mile night hike with a buddy who also has a new energizer headlamp to put through the paces....Oh and if anyone is interested the UFC fights are on tonight on FX for free!!! Flashlight testing,then beer and fights,what could be better???!!!!
EDIT-I also received a streamlight nano today...neat little light.
 
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Hi. This is John from Bright Medic. Our products are currently manufactured in China and some of our suppliers are also suppliers to other flashlight brands. We have agreements with these manufacturers to re-brand the products for sale under the Bright Medic label. And while it may be possible to find an online seller in China offering a product similar to ours, it won't come with a 100% satisfaction guarantee or fast shipping. There is also no telling what you might receive. While some of our products might look like others on the market, we still stand behind their quality. If you were to buy one and feel it didn't live up to your value or quality standards, we would be more than happy to give you a 100% refund, no questions asked.

We are a relatively new company excited by the potentials of Cree LED technology. The lights we sell are better than 90% of the portable lighting options currently issued to EMS & Fire personnel (we know this from personal experience). The method of re-branding described above was the way we were able to get our foot in the door in this business. Recently we have begun to work with designers to make more unique products with specifications that come in large part from the feedback of our customers. For example, we will be launching a newly designed headlamp in March which we are really psyched about. Stay tuned and we'll try to put up a post on this forum when it launches.

Regards.
 
Hi. This is John from Bright Medic. Our products are currently manufactured in China and some of our suppliers are also suppliers to other flashlight brands. We have agreements with these manufacturers to re-brand the products for sale under the Bright Medic label. And while it may be possible to find an online seller in China offering a product similar to ours, it won't come with a 100% satisfaction guarantee or fast shipping. There is also no telling what you might receive. While some of our products might look like others on the market, we still stand behind their quality. If you were to buy one and feel it didn't live up to your value or quality standards, we would be more than happy to give you a 100% refund, no questions asked.

We are a relatively new company excited by the potentials of Cree LED technology. The lights we sell are better than 90% of the portable lighting options currently issued to EMS & Fire personnel (we know this from personal experience). The method of re-branding described above was the way we were able to get our foot in the door in this business. Recently we have begun to work with designers to make more unique products with specifications that come in large part from the feedback of our customers. For example, we will be launching a newly designed headlamp in March which we are really psyched about. Stay tuned and we'll try to put up a post on this forum when it launches.

Regards.

I have seen these on amazon...err,this brand on amazon.I actually have one "in my cart"right now,lol
 
Jon,
I look forward to seeing your work coming soon! I think your lights probably work well, even if the stated specifications are a bit fuzzy. Thank you for such a quick response. It is good to see a company willing to stand up for their products. Best luck, and have a great new year!

-Kris
 
Jon,
I look forward to seeing your work coming soon! I think your lights probably work well, even if the stated specifications are a bit fuzzy. Thank you for such a quick response. It is good to see a company willing to stand up for their products. Best luck, and have a great new year!

-Kris
I agree 100%...As I read this thread I seen a lot of negativity and what seemed to be "hating"on this company.All I have seen is good reviews,but Im a noob here so what do I know?
Any specs or details on the new headlamp Bmedic?
 
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I'll take responsibility for the negativity in this thread, and apologize for it if it was undue.

It's just kind of fishy when, among other things, lights are advertised with overrated lumen ratings and priced at twice or more the average going rate for those lights. The most egregious example of the latter is the LED Lenser H7 clone on Bmedic's site which is priced higher than an actual authentic LED Lenser H7 on Amazon.

And it's also kind of odd when new members qualify their statements by saying "I'm a noob" but then express skepticism when members (i'm not including me) who have been here for years, one who has posted dozens of technically detailed headlamp reviews, state some readily known facts about the questionability of the lights on Bmedic's site. One even going so far as to tell a more knowledgeable member that he needs to do more "research".

It just sounds very shilly.
 
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I'll take responsibility for the negativity in this thread, and apologize for it if it was undue.

It's just kind of fishy when, among other things, lights are advertised with overrated lumen ratings and priced at twice or more the average going rate for those lights. The most egregious example of the latter is the LED Lenser H7 clone on Bmedic's site which is priced higher than an actual authentic LED Lenser H7 on Amazon.

And it's also kind of odd when new members qualify their statements by saying "I'm a noob" but then express skepticism when members (i'm not including me) who have been here for years, one who has posted dozens of technically detailed headlamp reviews, state some readily known facts about the questionability of the lights on Bmedic's site. One even going so far as to tell a more knowledgeable member that he needs to do more "research".

It just sounds very shilly.

Quite a lot of people... but they have paid $6-8 and nobody claimed that it can give more than 150 lumens ;).
i.e. :
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/retract...-126410?item=4



"That is the knockoff version.If you do your research you will see that bright medic and amazon are the ONLY authorized sellers at this point."

Thats not thecyclops telling anyone to "do more research",it was him letting the other member know that he was wrong,that sounded like a genuine humble reply,and an honest/truthful answer....and he was right.Just saying.
EDIT-LOL,and I just seen that that"new member"joined before you :)
 
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Anywho....
Does anyone have an opinion on the zebralight H51 vs the black diamond ICON 200 vs the princeton tec apex 200? Its tax time and the misses is letting me have a few toys :) Or should I start a new thread for that??? If I should,I shall.Thanks!!!
 
Didn't you read bmedic's post? The stuff they sell is the same stuff that other people sell. Bmedic said that it's the same stuff.

thecyclops implied that other people's lights are knockoffs of bmedic's lights, but that's wrong. They are the same. Szem was right.
 
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Didn't you read bmedic's post? The stuff they sell is the same stuff that other people sell. Bmedic said that it's the same stuff.

thecyclops implied that other people's lights are knockoffs of bmedic's lights, but that's wrong. They are the same. Szem was right.

"And while it may be possible to find an online seller in China offering a product SIMILAR to ours, it won't come with a 100% satisfaction guarantee or fast shipping. There is also no telling what you might receive. While some of our products might LOOK LIKE OTHERS ON THE MARKET, we still stand behind their quality. If you were to buy one and feel it didn't live up to your value or quality standards, we would be more than happy to give you a 100% refund, no questions asked.
Yes sir,I did read his post.
But Im a noob.Not gonna argue with a senior member :)
Would you care to respond to my post about the differences between the 3 headlamps I listed in my previous post?It would be most appreciated.
 
If you don't mind using Google translate or can read Polish, Szemhazai has good reviews of the Apex 200, Icon 2012, and HL30 on his site.

As for the H51, there's a 15 page thread about it. It's informative.

But Im a noob.Not gonna argue with a senior member

I don't know who you're referring to there. I know it isn't me. As you said "that 'new member' joined before" me which is true. Also, I made it pretty clear that "i'm not including me" among members who are knowledgeable.
 
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Bright Medic is getting some nice free advertising here. If they want to be involved with CPF/CPFMP they should contact Greta the owner of CPF. Closing this for now.

Bill
 
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