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I mean, seriously, what is it going to take to wake you Bush bashers up?

A dirty bomb set off in Chicago?

Maybe one in your backyard?

And don't think for one minute that somewhere, someone right now is trying to figure out a way to ignite such a bomb!

Good grief, folks.
 
Maine probably came to CPF and read my post and knew she was wrong. Or, she is principled up to the point of it costing her money. Who knows, she may be a flashaholic.

I don't like an actor or performer using their bully pulpit to change public policy. It is generally biased one way or another and appeals to the uniformed and easily swayed. To most of us, including Empath, /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif it is hard to understand why anyone would listen, but they do.

In some ways I respect these same actors for making the stand. Several of them will put their name on the line because they have studied a subject and truly believe. To stand for your principles in the face of genuine hardship shows integrity and I admire true integrity. I don't have the same admiration for the ones whose career is essentially over, they have nothing to lose and generally scream the loudest.
 
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I mean, seriously, what is it going to take to wake you Bush bashers up?
A dirty bomb set off in Chicago?


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No, then they'd say that he didn't do enough to protect us. If the bomber was linked to Iraq they'd say Bush's wreckless aggression precipitated the attack. See? They politically profit either way. I'm reminded of when the Democrats in congress shamelessly tried drumming up that Bush didn't do enough to prevent 9-11. Yeah right, like they wouldn't have howled what an inflamatory racist he was if he had the FBI start taking Arabic pilot-school students into custody on 9-8. Shortly thereafter they proved this. As they derided him for not doing enough pre-9/11, with the same breath they castigated him for flying off the handle with Jose Padilla. (suspected dirty-bomber-in-training for those of you that don't read as much as the liberals) Its sophistry at its best.

Found an intersting quote the other day:

"What if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction? . . . Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal." Bill Clinton 1998 (Back when a Democrat was in office and War was "Ok")
 
You don't have to agree with everything the president does/says. But if you're a true American I think you should respect him enough to not slam him in public. As far as I'm concerned we should cancel the citizenship for the dixie losers and they can stay overseas. I think the Brits would get pretty bored with their crappy country music pretty quickly.

If it weren't for military exercises similar to the one we're engaged in now these a$$holes wouldn't have the freedom to play their crap anyway.

My daughter just bought a DC CD and I've asked her to read the article and decide if she wants to return it or not. It is her decision of course.

If you feel our government is so wrong then maybe you should move to a "better" country. I hate these people who slam the US (Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, etc...) but won't leave. You don't like it...get out...end of story.

LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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WaltH said:
If you feel our government is so wrong then maybe you should move to a "better" country. I hate these people who slam the US (Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, etc...) but won't leave. You don't like it...get out...end of story.


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Nah, thats not necessary. If you don't like the government then get your self up on election day and do something about it. You don't like the folks we can choose from? Then circulate petitions and get other people on the ballet . You CAN do that here. It might be hard and an awful lot of work, but you can actually elect somebody different.

Just because I can't agree that we should sit by and not do something about Iraq, doesn't mean I think Bush walks on water. And just because I think he's doing the right thing here doesn't mean I'll vote for him when the next opportunity comes up.
 
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WaltH said:
If you feel our government is so wrong then maybe you should move to a "better" country. I hate these people who slam the US (Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Barbara Streisand, etc...) but won't leave. You don't like it...get out...end of story.

LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!

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I've never understood this attitude. If everyone who disagrees with the gov't. just left as opposed to trying to change/fix it, wouldn't we all still be British? And wouldn't Britain still be a monarchy?

Pat
 
I just found this on another forum...

The following letter was signed by 1,000 war veterans and given to the President on March 10, 2003.

March 10, 2003

The Honorable George W. Bush
President of the United States of America
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500


Dear Mr. President:

We, the undersigned veterans who have served our country in World War II,
Korea, Vietnam, the 1991 Gulf War and other military conflicts, respectfully
request an opportunity to meet with you about the threat of war between the
United States and Iraq.

Mr. President, we are patriotic citizens and veterans who respect the office of the
President and the ethics and values binding us together as Americans.

As such, we feel duty-bound to share with you our serious concerns regarding
issues of national security, the appropriate use of our military strength, and the
health and welfare of our active duty soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines. Those
of us who are veterans of the 1991 Gulf War can offer particular insight into the
ongoing troubles in the Middle East, and the likely consequences of another war
in that volatile region.

A dozen years ago, we helped liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation, and in the
course of combat operations came face to face with brutality and the
consequences of modern warfare. We learned how unpredictable the nature of
war can be. And we learned that war-related losses are not simply experienced on
the battlefield.

Following the 1991 Gulf War, we collectively failed to prevent Saddam Hussein's
violent repression of a popular uprising and the unprecedented refugee flight that
ensued. As a result, tens of thousands of innocent civilians died. In addition to
those deaths, the war and immediate post-war conditions resulted in the excess
deaths of 46,900 children under the age of five, according to the New England
Journal of Medicine (Sept. 24, 1992).

Over the long term, the 1991 Gulf War has had a lasting, detrimental impact on the
health of countless people in the region, and on the health of American men and
women who served there. Twelve years after the conflict, over 164,000 American
Gulf War veterans are now considered disabled by the U.S. Department of
Veterans Affairs. That number increases daily.

The possibility of large-scale war between the U.S. and Iraq looms before us once
again. For this urgent reason we would like to meet with you to discuss steps the
United States and its allies can take to protect U.S. soldiers, allied forces, and
Iraqi civilians from known and suspected hazards that would result from military
operations.

We understand the risks that come with war and that there are times when such
risks are necessary. However, we strongly question the need for a war at this
time. Despite Secretary of State Colin Powell's report to the Security Council and
the testimony of others in the administration, we are not convinced that coercive
containment has failed, or that war has become necessary.

Our own intelligence agencies have consistently noted both the absence of an
imminent threat from Iraq and reliable evidence of cooperation between Iraq and
Al Qaeda. Again, we question whether this is the right time and the right war.

Further, we believe the risks involved in going to war, under the unclear and
shifting circumstances that confront us today, are far greater than those faced in
1991. Instead of a desert war to liberate Kuwait, combat would likely involve
protracted siege warfare, chaotic street-to-street fighting in Baghdad, and Iraqi
civil conflict. If that occurs, we fear our own nation and Iraq would both suffer
casualties not witnessed since Vietnam. We fear the resulting carnage and
humanitarian consequences would further devastate Iraqi society and inflame an
already volatile Middle East, and increase terrorism against U.S. citizens.

Our concerns about the potential human and material costs of a military conflict
in Iraq are well substantiated. In the event of a war, the UN warns that 1.26 million
children under the age of five in Iraq will be at risk of death. Within the initial
weeks of conflict, the World Health Organization estimates 500,000 Iraqis would
need immediate medical attention. Ten million Iraqis would need immediate
humanitarian assistance and over two million Iraqis would be made homeless.

The scale of the crisis would be so large that the international community would
be unable to prevent widespread suffering. For these reasons and more, it
remains in our nation's best interest to avoid another war. The risk of excessive
civilian casualties like those predicted by the UN pose a grave risk to our national
security, making the U.S. more of a target of retaliatory attacks by terrorists.

Mr. President, as our Commander-in-Chief, we recognize the immense
responsibility you have to protect our homeland and keep our nation secure. As
veterans who honorably served our nation in its wars, we believe that our
perspectives, knowledge and expertise can aid you at this crucial time, as you
continue to deliberate on whether or not to commit our nation to war.

We therefore request a meeting at your earliest possible convenience. We look
forward to any opportunity to come together with you to discuss the matters we
have raised.


Sincerely,

Vice Admiral Ralph Weymouth, USN, Retired
Vice Admiral Jack Shanahan, USN, Retired
Brigadier General Evelyn P. Foote, USA, Retired
Colonel David H. Hackworth, USA, Retired
Colonel Larry Williams, USMC, Retired
Colonel James E Unterseher, USA, Retired
Colonel James B. Burkholder, USA, Retired
Colonel Roger F. Strand, USAF, Retired
Colonel Virginia A. Metcalf, USA, Retired
Colonel Mary H. Yeakel, USA, Retired
Colonel Henrik O. Lunde, USA, Retired
Colonel Bruce S. Jarstfer, USA, Retired
Colonel Thomas Patrick Chisholm, USA, Retired
Colonel James Steven Chandler, USA
Colonel James J. Kent, USA, Retired
Colonel Grace E. Squires, USA, Retired
Colonel Carol Anne O‚Donnell, USA, Retired
Captain Kris Kristofferson, USA, Retired
Captain Thomas C. Tindall Jr., USNR, Retired
Captain Herbert A. Blough, USN, Retired
Captain M. David Preston, USCG
Lieutenant Colonel Elizabeth K. McGillicuddy, USMC, Retired

Read the names of the rest of the veterans who signed the letter at:

Veterans For
Common Sense.


Well......???
 
Well what?

Sorry, try again; That boat don't float.

I know at least one of the supposed signatories personally and while he is concerned (and very angry) about the lack of governmental response to complaints about the "Gulf War Syndrome" he fully supports the war with Iraq, even without ANY international support; and he knows that all that fear mongering of millions of casulties is an out and out leftist, anti-American lie His main complaint about the current situation is that we didn't finish the job in '91, or at least "roll" a year ago.

Notice how many of the signatories are women??? Sasha needs to give them a lesson in common sense. And how many of the rest are chairborne paper pushers, not combat soldiers.

And even if you did find a thousand (or even ten thousand)American veterans to sign a bit of stupidity like this, there are ten million of us that would tear it up, make you eat it and send you on your merry little Neville Chamberlainish way.

And Kris Kristofferson--- Ahh Give me a break. He WAS a Captian and an OK, very above average kind of guy, but he isn't RETIRED Army like your little list says; he quit. The only reason he joined up is because his Daddy, a Two Star "made him".

Even though the guy is a fellow Ranger, I'm afraid he goes on the boycott list too.
 
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Sasha needs to give them a lesson in common sense.

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Aww... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif ... flattery will get you everywhere... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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And even if you did find a thousand American veterans to sign a bit of stupidity like this, there are ten million of us that would tear it up,...

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Once again... Amen, brother Silviron! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif
 
well, good for the vetrans. it is their right to speak out for their beliefs.

it is also Bush's right to ignore them.

that letter seems to insinuate that there are huge numbers that oppose Bush and a possible war, and that Bush just ignores the world...

but, the last time i checked, we were still 21-6-6, and Bush was still exercising a great deal of patience by lobbying countries/leaders/UN, etc.
people act as if we should change our policy just because a few people/countries disagree with us.

the majority still supports Bush and the US's position. this seems hard for some to accept.

Bob
 
Silveron,
Ooorah, get some, get some!

If you post it on the interent you could get a thousand people to sign a petition endorsing cow dung as the fifth food group. I think I liked the flood Congress with faxes and calls idea better than this one. What ever happened with that?
 
Well, Lets see, what else--- Hmm-

Admiral Shanrahan: 30 -40 years ago, he was considered a pretty decent sailor. Now, he wants to sue automakers because SUVs have "destroyed the environment". Can you say "senile" boys and girls???
{Hush Darell, this isn't the time or place...}

Admiral Ralph Weymouth: His wife is French. Enough said.

Colonel Virginia A. Metcalf: Ran the Physical Therapy section for the Army Medical Corps 1979 - 1983. Hardly qualified as a tactician or Intel analyst.

Colonel Grace E. Squires: Another Medical Oficer: Actually served in a combat zone. Ditto the above though.

Captain Herbert A. Blough: Another Doctor. ditto the above.

Lieutenant Colonel Elizabeth K. McGillicuddy: in the leadership of N.O.W. and big abortion rights advocate.
 
Oh I do have to find a *snicker* smilie... B@rt? Whatcha got? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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The Dixie Chicks can say anything they want, but I suspect their real motivation was insecurity feeding a desire to curry favor with an English audience hostile to our president. It certainly didn't hurt their overseas boxoffice.

I don't think of myself as a knee jerk flag waver, but I'm old fashioned enough to feel repelled by Americans demeaning America or its government while on foreign soil.

Some may find this a rather quaint position, and I'm not sure why I feel it so strongly. Perhaps it's genetically rooted and hearkens back to atavistic connections to the tribe.

When I was younger I used to take this country pretty much for granted.

I'm older now.

Brightnorm
 
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