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LeifUK

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My Quark AA2 R5 arrived yesterday about 9 days after it was posted from the States to the UK. It's a nice light, but I have a few comments.

I found it very hard to remove the clip, mainly because there were no instructions with the light, and I did not want to cause any damage. In fact it is fairly easy once you realise how it works. Remove the end, remove the o-ring and then unscrew the thin clip ring. I nearly destroyed the o-ring before I realised that it was present and that it needed removing. I then tried to push the clip off and found it very difficult especially as I did not want to cause damage and was not entirely sure what to do. In the end I pressed a piece of plastic against one of the curved ends of the clip to remove it, choosing plastic so as not to mark the light. Afterwards I found damage to the threads that engage the small clip ring, with tiny bits of metal hanging off. This might have occurred when removing the clip, and this should not happen, especially when I tried my best to be careful.

Secondly there were two small chips in the finish, at the corners of the small rectangular cutout in which the clip sits. It looks like they were caused by the sharp sides of the clip pressing against the external surface of the light. They detract from the otherwise flawless finish. It is possible they occurred when I removed the clip, though that is unclear. Either way to find that something I don't want (the clip) caused damage to the bit I do want (the light) is annoying.

I don't think that removing the clip should damage the light and in my opinion the clip needs rethinking. At the very least it needs instructions. And I'm not sure it should be so hard to remove, or 4Sevens should explain how to do it easily if that is possible. Having 4Sevens supply lights without a clip would in my opinion be even better although I am not sure if that would be economic as I might be in a tiny minority.

Lastly the light is supplied in a box made of thick cardboard, and an internal case made of very thick transparent plastic. The outside box is very elaborate, too much in my view. Obviously this makes for nice presentation, but it is very wasteful, and most consumers are educated enough to see beyond the box. My Fenix light arrived in a very thin plastic tray enclosed in a thin cardboard box. That is much less wasteful, meaning that less material goes into landfills, which can only be good. Phone manufacturers such as Nokia pack phones in a cardboard tray (like an egg box) within a cardboard box. It looks good, and is environmentally friendly. I personally do not feel too good about the amount of waste in the 4Sevens box.

To end on a positive note, it's a very bright light, with plenty of spill, a smooth beam, excellent deep threads and well made (subject to the comments above).

Oddly enough my Akoray AK-106 has a better finish (flawless) albeit only with type II hard anodising.
 
My Quark AA2 R5 arrived yesterday
I found it very hard to remove the clip, mainly because there were no instructions with the light, and I did not want to cause any damage. In fact it is fairly easy once you realise how it works.
While I agree it could have come with instructions, it's not hard to figure it out. I went to the 4Sevens website to view the clip to confirm its design before removing the clip on my AAx2. There were no flaws with my setup, although the lockring was darned tight.
Having 4Sevens supply lights without a clip would in my opinion be even better although I am not sure if that would be economic as I might be in a tiny minority.
The clip wasn't that hard to remove for me, although I put it back on afterwards because I don't use the lanyard and the clip prevents the light from rolling when set down.
Lastly the light is supplied in a box made of thick cardboard, and an internal case made of very thick transparent plastic. The outside box is very elaborate, too much in my view.
The box is very nicely done and may be too much. Perhaps 4Sevens could offer two boxes, one for display and one that is very generic for an OEM look - and offer a discount on the basic box? The fancy box is good for big stores, but I don't think 4Sevens sells lights in any retail outlets, do they?
To end on a positive note, it's a very bright light, with plenty of spill, a smooth beam, excellent deep threads and well made (subject to the comments above).
I agree, it's an excellent light. No complaints here!
:twothumbs
 
The clip wasn't that hard to remove for me, although I put it back on afterwards because I don't use the lanyard and the clip prevents the light from rolling when set down.

I have to admit that I found actually removing the clip once the little ring was off extremely difficult, as it seems to be made from sprung steel. I am curious exactly how you did that.
 
I didn't have a problem removing the clip but I'm fairly mechanically inclined having been raised on a farm. I could see where people could find it aggravating.

Personally I've felt Fenix lights could be packaged a little bit better and really like the 4Sevens packaging. It shows pride in their product which is a good thing.

Just my opinion.
 
I didn't have a problem removing the clip but I'm fairly mechanically inclined having been raised on a farm. I could see where people could find it aggravating.

Personally I've felt Fenix lights could be packaged a little bit better and really like the 4Sevens packaging. It shows pride in their product which is a good thing.

Just my opinion.

I have in the past worked as a machinist, making precision components for a telescope, and have done a lot of machine work as a hobby. What I meant was that it was physically difficult to remove. I had to apply significant pressure with a piece of plastic pressing against the clip to remove it. And I was concerned at causing damage.

Regarding packaging, Americans use about twice the resources per head per year compared to Europeans (though we are bad compared to poorer countries so I am not getting at you) so maybe our attitudes differ. I just don't feel comfortable throwing away so much plastic and cardboard which serves no real purpose apart from a few minutes of presentation.

Having pride in a product is good. It's a good product too. Having just come back from a run with the light, it's the gnats nadgers.
 
i have an ld20 with clip and kind of wish it came separately because it is strong and will probably scratch the anodizing if i try to remove it

regarding the packaging, it all gets recycled these days rather than just thrown away doesn't it? it does in the u.k. anyway
 
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i have an ld20 with clip and kind of wish it came separately because it is strong and will probably scratch the anodizing if i try to remove it

regarding the packaging, it all gets recycled these days rather than just thrown away doesn't it? it does in the u.k. anyway

I can't vouch for the accuracy of this though they quote DEFRA sources:

http://www.recycling-guide.org.uk/facts.html

Apparently only about 17% of waste is recycled in the UK. So the vast majority of the packaging goes into landfill, or maybe some is burnt. And cardboard creates methane which is a very potent greenhouse gas. (I'll stop there as I don't want to get into politics. :eek:)
 
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this though they quote DEFRA sources:

http://www.recycling-guide.org.uk/facts.html

Apparently only about 17% of waste is recycled in the UK. So the vast majority of the packaging goes into landfill, or maybe some is burnt. And cardboard creates methane which is a very potent greenhouse gas. (I'll stop there as I don't want to get into politics. :eek:)
i thought recycling was mandatory

i guess using less packaging would be for the better
 
I can't vouch for the accuracy of this though they quote DEFRA sources:

http://www.recycling-guide.org.uk/facts.html

Apparently only about 17% of waste is recycled in the UK. So the vast majority of the packaging goes into landfill, or maybe some is burnt. And cardboard creates methane which is a very potent greenhouse gas. (I'll stop there as I don't want to get into politics. :eek:)


I am very glad you are stopping there we hear enough each day about the green concerns and I escape to forums like this to escape the total nonsense talked about climate changes etc.:mecry:
 
I have one - exceeded all my exceptions, 3 weeks from now you will care less about the packaging, nicks, or clips

It is a sweet light I would recommend without hesitation
 
LeifUK,

nice touch with how slipped through custom charges and royal mail fees net (from other post)!

I had some problems with removing the clip from my AA quark, but it was only due to the fact I didn't know what I was doing. the o-ring was stopping the clip cover ring from going all the way up, hence the release of the clip was impossible and indeed a little bit frustrating (no damage). once I realised what was wrong with this approach and removed the o-ring - it was a smooth process. I agree they could've mentioned this in the manual, so we all don't make the same mistake :)

I share the sentiment about the packaging. it's pretty well designed, but a little bit excessive, I wouldn't mind if they scaled it down a little bit.

I look forward to checking out the AA2 soon! I'll probably order it from 4sevens poland guys to see if it works out cheaper.
 
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I have to admit that I found actually removing the clip once the little ring was off extremely difficult, as it seems to be made from sprung steel. I am curious exactly how you did that.
First off, I used good lighting which I suspect is why some people might not realize the O-ring is there. Secondly, I have a few pairs of clip pliers specifically for removing C/E-clips and rings, the right tool for the job makes things easier!
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I can see it being a pain if you have to pry it out.

On another note, I notice my Quark has anodizing on the inside threads of the tailcap which early reviews show it didn't. I think 4Sevens updated the anodizing so the tailcap can be locked out. Anyone else with a new Quark notice this?
 
Remove the end, remove the o-ring and then unscrew the thin clip ring. I nearly destroyed the o-ring before I realised that it was present and that it needed removing. I then tried to push the clip off and found it very difficult especially as I did not want to cause damage and was not entirely sure what to do. In the end I pressed a piece of plastic against one of the curved ends of the clip to remove it, choosing plastic so as not to mark the light. Afterwards I found damage to the threads that engage the small clip ring, with tiny bits of metal hanging off. This might have occurred when removing the clip, and this should not happen, especially when I tried my best to be careful.

Secondly there were two small chips in the finish, at the corners of the small rectangular cutout in which the clip sits. It looks like they were caused by the sharp sides of the clip pressing against the external surface of the light. They detract from the otherwise flawless finish. It is possible they occurred when I removed the clip,
I agree that the business of needing to remove the O ring before the clip retainer can be unscrewed is a worry. I didn't realise at first either and thought something was wrong until I read about how to do it in a CPF thread. Now I do know I've got to do it first but still quite often forget until the retainer gets jammed up into the O ring.

Once the ring is fully unscrewed I don't need anything to push the clip off though. I just pull outwards on the clip and it just "unclips" off. It's the same on all seven of my tubes that have clips.

I have to say that the two little chips near the "clip slot" are present on all but two of my quarks if I look close enough. On all but one they are so very small that I never noticed until I went looking. I assume they come from removing or re-installing the clips but oddly enough the last one I bought already had those chips before I removed the clip for the first time.
 
I have to admit that I found actually removing the clip once the little ring was off extremely difficult, as it seems to be made from sprung steel. I am curious exactly how you did that.


I gave up trying to remove it. I couldn't get the o-ring off. I've had it explained to me 10 times. My fingers aren't strong enough. I have no idea why so many manufacturers feel the need to put clips on flashlights. They make the flashlight uncomfortable to hold IMO.
 
I gave up trying to remove it. I couldn't get the o-ring off. I've had it explained to me 10 times. My fingers aren't strong enough. I have no idea why so many manufacturers feel the need to put clips on flashlights. They make the flashlight uncomfortable to hold IMO.

you have to be smarter than the flashlight. use the tip of a nail file or small flat screwdriver (not sharp) to push the o-ring up a bit, but not off the end of the light. you just need enough room to unscrew the clip retaining ring up to expose the clip itself. finger strength not required, as you don't even have to touch the o-ring. humans are tool users, so use a tool. :ohgeez:

the clip is there because people (CPF) has incessantly requested clips. it is the easiest way to carry a non-keychain light in your pocket.

thankfully just about all clips are easily removable. it's not like it's rocket science or anything.
 
I little hint that may be useful from someone who has quite a few quarks and had to remove most of their original clips (because I modify the tailcaps to take a Nitecore D10 "deep carry" pocket clip instead).

On a couple of my torches, when they first came out of the box, I found the clip retaining "ring" so "tight" that I couldn't loosen it by trying to unscrew with my fingers. Before resorting to the multigrips I tried a few things and found that in each case if I pushed the top of the clip inwards towards the body the retainer became miraculously easy to unscrew. It seems that the clip's tension was actually pushing on the inside of the retainer ring and locking it.
 
On a couple of my torches, when they first came out of the box, I found the clip retaining "ring" so "tight" that I couldn't loosen it by trying to unscrew with my fingers. Before resorting to the multigrips I tried a few things and found that in each case if I pushed the top of the clip inwards towards the body the retainer became miraculously easy to unscrew. It seems that the clip's tension was actually pushing on the inside of the retainer ring and locking it.

well, that IS the entire point of the design. :whistle:
 
I'm at times quite a shallow person and felt that the most disappointing torch I ever bought was one that turned up in the mail in just a piece of bubble wrap. Decent packaging like 4sevens uses adds to the pleasant nature of the experience and I'd imagine this to be especially so for "non-afficionado" type buyers who might only buy one torch every ten years.
 
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