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jt1

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Hello, my first post here and I have a few questions...I have a SF E2D and I am very happy with it. I bought a SF G3 incandescent today and was surprised by the performance. As shown in the attached beamshot I get a nice round spill from the E2D (left) and a disappointing oval from the G3 (left). Can anyone tell me if this is a normal output from the G3? Also I was expecting a higher output from the G3 as it is rated at 105 lumen vs 60 for the E2D but to my eye they seem about the same. I was planing on using the G3 as a tac light for my Remington 870 as the longer length body will provide better ergonomics than the E2D and I have read the G3 incandescent has a tighter beam than the G3 LED, but I am not happy with it at this point...any info/comments are welcome.



Thnx,

jt
 
It's fairly normal. Surefire does their best to give tightest focus in each lamp assembly, which actually means the beam should be shaped similarly to the filament (longer in one direction). In some lights, especially the 9v models, it's actually more common to have a football shaped beam than a round one.
 
Welcome to CPF!

The football shaped beams are common on SureFire lamp assemblies, most of them "suffer" from this, while a few aren't as bad/good... SF would probably tell you that it is a "feature" and not a "problem" but everyone has different opinions about what makes a beam shape more useful. The argument is that the football shaped beam can be turned vertical to illuminate a human target from head to toe, or turned on it's side to illuminate a wide swath of path in front of you... I personally find the oblong beams distracting and would actually rather have rings and other artifacts in the beam than such an oblong hotspot. My MN20 for my M6 is like that and for that reason, I don't use that lamp.

As for the output comparison...

As you can see in the photo, the camera did a pretty good job of distinguishing the difference between these 2 lamps. But human eyes are different. You have just learned one of the hardest lessons of flashlights, and that is, that the lumens don't matter as much as one might hope or think they would. Human eyes adjust on the fly for variations in lighting conditions. It has been said, that it takes about a 30% difference in output to even be able to see that difference. And I would have to agree with that 100%. What's more important is choosing a flashlight within a range of acceptable lumens, that has all the other features you are looking for. Beam shape and user interface and build material/quality are often all more important than lumen ratings when comparing lights that are "in the same ballpark" of lumen ratings. When I say "ballpark" I mean like a full doubling or halving of the lumen rating. Everything from 50-100 lumens is in the same ballpark. 100-200 lumens, same ballpark, 3000-6000 lumens, same ballpark. The difference between 50 and 100 lumens will look like a "step" brighter but if both lights have the same beam shape they will probably both perform pretty much all of the same tasks nearly equally well. There are also may cases where a 100 lumen light could be more useful than a 500 lumen light, if it has the proper beam profile for the task at hand.

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If you want to "fix" your oblong beam, the best solution is to use an aftermarket bulb instead of the P90. Most of the D26 compatible bulbs from alternative companies that I have seen, have very round beam shapes. LumensFactory is pretty popular.... You might consider trying a LumensFactory HO-9 in your G3. It would be like ~160 "surefire" lumens and should appear to have a slightly better lead over the E2D in total output. It has a nice round hotspot with a smooth transition from spot to spill. It does use about 30% more power so expect less runtime than the P90. Instead of an hour, I'd expect closer to 45 minutes on 3 CR123s.
 
yep... looks like the good ole p90 in all it's glorey. to each his own but the p90 is one of my favorite LA's. yours does seem to have an over developed since of EGGO.
take a look at the LF h0-9 or sr-9 if you want to round out the the beam. you will loose the floodiness of the p90 if you do. the sr-9 will closely resemble the intensity of the p90 with decent run time.
 
ALL - Thanks for the responses and the info, looks like I have a fair amount to learn about the physics of producing a beam of light. I really appreciate you all taking the time to answer what must be pretty basic stuff to you. Before I start ordering replacement lamps and such I have one more question...What kind of results can I expect if I go to the G3 LED instead of the incandescent? Of course I would like good spill lighting but I am primarily after a nice tight beam like I get with the E2D out to 100 meters or so with the longer body of the G3. Also, what can I expect as far as service life from rough handling and recoil in the LED vs the incandescent?

Thnx,

jt
 
The beam will be perfectly round, however the P60L modules are known for being a bit blue and a bit dimmer than most like.
 
LED conversion is certainly worth looking at. Skip the P60L it's garbage by todays LED module standards. If you stick to the stock nitrolian head, then you should look at the MalkOff M60L and M60LL, both impressive in their own ways. The M60L is probably the one you want.

If you are willing to switch to an aluminum head, then you can run just about any LED module out there. Check out The MalkOff M60 for starters. If you want to spend a little less you might have a look at some of the chinese offerings, some of which are really not bad. LumensFactory, DereeLight, SolarForce, etc etc.
 

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